why don't you own a 30-06?

[BBF]

I'm sure a number of 243 Win or even 22-250 guys would bang away at this monster.
 
Weight wise I think a 165 gr bullet is a good all around weight for most situations.

[Aaron1100us]

Does the Russian -06 count?  7.62x54R.  Supposed to be as good as 30-06 up to 203 grain bullets. 

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[Dresden]

I guess I don't because everybody has one, I use 8x57, 8mm-06, 9x57,35 Whelen, 9.3x57, 9.3x62, 416 Ruger, 416 Rigby. I like guns that shoot heavy bullets, just me I guess. I live in the "Peoples republic of Minnesota", where nothing is allowed.  Either 8mm gun I have swats deer loaded with 200gn bullets, it will probably do as well on most anything else. The other calibers I have are just toys for my shooting amusement. The 416 Ruger will put anything down if I need to ever do that.
BTW, I support all calibers and shooting and hunting, I am just answering the question.


Have a GREAT NEW YEAR one and all


 

[Swampman]

The .30-06 shoots a 220 grain bullet quite nicely.  That's the bullet it's twist was designed for.

[Drilling Man]

  I like the 30-06 well enough that i just bought another DR, chambered in 30-06...
 

 
  DM

[cwlongshot]

The .30-06 shoots a 220 grain bullet quite nicely. That's the bullet it's twist was designed for.

Your mistaken Swampers... 

It CAN shoot the 220g nicely, but the '06 wasn't built for the 220g bullet.  The 30-03 was designed to replace the 30-40 Krag and IT was designed for the 220g bullet... BUT the '03 failed for a couple reasons but one of the biggest was its use of that 220g bullet. It had chamber issues that stemed from too hi a pressure used to attain a high velocity... Which is what warrented the 30-03 over the 30-40 in the first place... Bring in the 30 of 1906 and a 150g bullet...

I like the 220g bullet in one of my Springfield rifle's as it does shoot very well. But most of mine use a 180g bullet. If I need more I go bigger and if I need less I grab the 308...

CW

[Swampman]

They never changed the rifling so it's still twisted for the 220.  The problem was excessive recoil.  The troops didn't like the heavy bullet.
 "In 1892 the Army switched from the .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield Rifle to the .30-40 Krag-Jorgensen and there was much rejoicing. The .30-40 Krag was load with a 220 grain jacketed lead round nose bullet fired at around 2000 fps. This bullet required a 1 in 10 inch twist to stabilize this built. During the Spanish-American War in 1898 the .30-40 Krag cartridge and Krag-Jorgensen Rifle that fired proved less effective the Spanish Mauser and 7mm Mauser that was used against them.
So, back to the drawing bored again and the 1903 Springfield Rifle and the .30-03 cartridge to fired from it were born. The .30-03 kept the 220 grain bullet (and the 1-10 twist) but increased the velocity to about 2100 fps. About this time every other country in the world was implementing lighter, faster spitzer type bullets that were more accurate at longer ranges.
Back to the drawing board again for the .30-06. A 150 Grain bullet traveling at 2750 FPS was decided upon. And the cartridge renamed .30-06 At the time all of the tooling and all of the machines used to make rifle barrels were set-up for the 1-10 twist. Since the testing was conducted in a relatively short period time and tooling was extremely expensive at the 1-10 twist was retained. In actuality, a 1-14 Twist barrel is sufficient to stabilize the 150 grain bullet at that velocity. While the 1-10 twist is over-stabilizing the 150 grain bullet, accuracy was still “good enough for government work” and delivered under the 3” at 100 yards requirement. Also, it is a thick Full-metal jacket bullet, so there was no fear of jacket failure due to excess RPM.
On the commercial front, as gun manufacturers started to produce rifles and ammunition for the .30-06, the used the 1-10 twist because they had the tooling and accuracy was sufficient. Also several manufacturers continued to load the 220 grain bullets for hunting large and dangerous game which requires the 1-10 twist. So, commercial manufacturers use the 1-10 twist in .30-06."

[victorcharlie]

The .30-06 shoots a 220 grain bullet quite nicely.  That's the bullet it's twist was designed for.

When I was a kid the 220 grain round nose was "THE" bullet and everyone I knew used it for deer in the hardwoods.....

[BBF]

Now Rem loads a 180 gr RN for the same reason. I don't have any of that ammo and I presume the bullet is fairly soft to open up.

[SharonAnne]

I had a custom Sako .30-06. I gave it to my Son-in-Law as a wedding present. That is why I don't own a .30-06. Being disabled I do not have much use for one.

[tomtomz]

The "gift" of a good rifle to a loved one is the best reason so far.

[mcwoodduck]

I own an M1 Garand.
If I had purchased the M1A that I wanted and could not afford at the time, but bought a Garand instead I would not own a 30-06.  308Win does everything that I would use a 30-06 for and if I need more than what the 308 gives I would simply grab either my 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H or one of the 45-70's

[Paul358]

I own a nice sporterized '03 30-06. I dont use it much and it always goes along as a second. I do have a new M70 classic featherweight inbound in 30-06, but it will be rebarreled.

[Buckskin]

06 is probably one of the best if not the best overall cartridges ever made. I don't own one because there are too many other great rifle cartridges on both sides of it and every Tom, Dick and Harry has one so what's the fun in that. If I were held to one i would probably be the 06 though...

[Empty Quiver]

06 is probably one of the best if not the best overall cartridges ever made. I don't own one because there are too many other great rifle cartridges on both sides of it and every Tom, Dick and Harry has one so what's the fun in that. If I were held to one i would probably be the 06 though...

Well put.

[scootrd]

Temps were tolerable today in upper teens, sun was out , this afternoon , read this thread earlier in the week and was thinking about it , so I got the bug and decided to take my '06 off the mantle where I retired it a few years ago and decided it was a good day to use up the final 3 green boxes of 150's and 165's I had.

This evening while cleaning my '06 reflecting on today I came to the realization I definitely made the right decision switching to my lighter more compact mod seven 7mm-08. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the nostalgia shooting my old '06, but I know I would have enjoyed the day that much more if I had been shooting my mod seven.

My old '06 is back above the mantle tonight. Probably be a while before I get the bug again to shoot it.  maybe again sometime next year , or possible the year after.

Semper Fi

[ironglow]

Why don't I own a 30/06?  Probably because I already own a .308..

[Casull]

Why don't I own a 30/06?  Probably because I already own a .308.

 
 
 
Well, as long as you're willing to settle.   

[BBF]

I've got both

[Hogwaller]

This debate has raged since since the creation of another caliber different than the first(not sure what size it was)' and is not going to end now.  Besides we wouldn't have anything to argue over.  What it boils down to is someone's preference.  I tried to get away from a 30-06 and went to a 270 .  The 270 is a little better at longer ranges , but it ain't an 06.  So again nostalgia kicks in!  Mtcw

[Aaron1100us]

I don't own a 30-06 because I shoot Russian 06, the 7.62x54.  So no real need for a 30-06. 

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[mirage1988]

I don't own a 30-06 because I own 2!
They come to the range with me so I have something to shoot between shots with my muzzleloaders. My savage 110 circa 1986 will hopefully be my boys first deer rifle, and my tc icon accounted for 4 deer this year, yes 1 was a double.

[Mike Bare]

These numbers tell the story of why I shoot a .280 instead of a 30-06.....
Not that there's anything worng with a 30-06.....just sayin...

Ahhh yes..the old brush busting theory and if you have a heavy round nose bullet just shoot at it through cover...Sorry..couldn't help myself on that one

I've owned (2) 7-08's before and really never cared for the round. If I was going to go with a 7mm non magnum..it would be the one based on the 30-06 case...the 280, There isn't enough recoil difference to amount to much and the added case capacity is there if I want to reload to higher pressures. Not saying the 7-08 isn't a good deer round..or you couldn't take an Elk with it because it is and you can..but it is already maxed out and lags behind from the start as compared to the larger cartridge.

Mac

Would love to try a 280, but would probably never purchase one. Looking at Chuck Hawks recoil table for example : Note : I don't reload.

280 Rem. (140 at 3000)    8.0lb rifle   17.2 recoil energy   11.8 recoil velocity
30-06 (150 at 2910)         8.0lb rifle    17.6 recoil energy   11.9 recoil velocity
7MM-08  (140 at 2860)    8.0lb rifle     12.6 recoil energy   10.1 recoil velocity

Short Range Trajectory
280
Premier® AccuTip™   140gr   0.1@50   0.6@100   zero@150    -1.8@200    -4.8@250    -9.2@300
30-06
Premier® AccuTip™   150gr   0.1@50   0.7@100   zero@150    -2.0@200    -5.4@250    -10.3@300
7mm-08
Premier® AccuTip™   140gr   0.2@50   0.7@100   zero@150    -2.0@200    -5.4@250    -10.3@300 (interesting same as 30-06 with less recoil)

Long Range Trajectory

.280
Premier® AccuTip™   140gr   2.5@100   2.9@150   2.1@200   zero@250  -3.4@300 -14.8@400   -33.0@500
30-06
Premier® AccuTip™   150gr   1.7@100   1.5@150   zero@200 -2.9@250  -7.4@300    -21.5@400   -43.7@500
7mm-08
Premier® AccuTip™   140gr   1.7@100   1.5@150   zero@200 -2.9@250   -7.3@300   -21.1@400   -42.5@500

For an all round Deer cartridge in various terrain, I'll stick with the 7mm-08 (Since all my shots are well within 300 yards there is just not enough difference for me to consider a change) and the milder recoil from the 7mm-08 makes it a pleasure to shoot.

For larger critters I'd probably stick with an '06

[Buckskin]

I will save forum space by not quoting the entire post above... But why when people compare rifles, they use different sized bullets... How about you go and find data for the 280 and 06 using the same bullet and weight. There will be an advantage to the smaller diameter bullet, but it won't be much. 
 
Not only that, but the data is scewed in that in the long range data the 280 is zeroed at 250 and the 06 at 200.... I'd call that data apples to bushel baskets.
 
280 is a great rifle round but it's not that much better than an 06.

[Drilling Man]

I will save forum space by not quoting the entire post above... But why when people compare rifles, they use different sized bullets... How about you go and find data for the 280 and 06 using the same bullet and weight. There will be an advantage to the smaller diameter bullet, but it won't be much. 
 
Not only that, but the data is scewed in that in the long range data the 280 is zeroed at 250 and the 06 at 200.... I'd call that data apples to bushel baskets.
 
280 is a great rifle round but it's not that much better than an 06.

  WHY the same weight??  The same SD is what should be compared, then the same bullet construction!
 
  DM

[BBF]

Why the same weight? I guess it has to do with the energy factor not the trajectory.

[Buckskin]

I will save forum space by not quoting the entire post above... But why when people compare rifles, they use different sized bullets... How about you go and find data for the 280 and 06 using the same bullet and weight. There will be an advantage to the smaller diameter bullet, but it won't be much. 
 
Not only that, but the data is scewed in that in the long range data the 280 is zeroed at 250 and the 06 at 200.... I'd call that data apples to bushel baskets.
 
280 is a great rifle round but it's not that much better than an 06.

  WHY the same weight??  The same SD is what should be compared, then the same bullet construction!
 
  DM

Why the same weight? Really?  That should be obvious. Then you can have a fair comparison of engergy, trajectory and velocity. Both calibers are in the same range, so why compare different bullets...
 
Ok how about at least the same zero range....
 
Now why SD???

[cwlongshot]

I just loaded 100 '06 with a Winchester case, Winchester primer, RL19 powder and a Sierra 220g bullet!!

Now loading another 100 with 180's! 

CW

[Drilling Man]

I will save forum space by not quoting the entire post above... But why when people compare rifles, they use different sized bullets... How about you go and find data for the 280 and 06 using the same bullet and weight. There will be an advantage to the smaller diameter bullet, but it won't be much. 
 
Not only that, but the data is scewed in that in the long range data the 280 is zeroed at 250 and the 06 at 200.... I'd call that data apples to bushel baskets.
 
280 is a great rifle round but it's not that much better than an 06.

  WHY the same weight??  The same SD is what should be compared, then the same bullet construction!
 
  DM

Why the same weight? Really?  That should be obvious. Then you can have a fair comparison of engergy, trajectory and velocity. Both calibers are in the same range, so why compare different bullets...
 
Ok how about at least the same zero range....
 
Now why SD???

  If you understood what SD ment and does, you wouldn't be asking that question.
 
  DM

[gr8ful]

this year all three of my teenagers got new deer rifles, a mossberg a savage, and a remington, two boxes of 30-06 and a lesson in reloading each.  i had a box of @500 sierra 150gr flat base spitsers and 3 pounds of imr 4895.  in one afternoon we worked up loads shooting under 1.5" at 100yrds for everyone.  btw it is the same load from the no 11 sierra manual.and the savage put up a nice 3/8 group!  all three boys harvested their deer this year with their new 30-06s and rounds they loaded themselves.  icant think of any better way to pass on the tradition of shooting hunting, and reloading than that.  God bless the 30-06!