Teachers and their sense of entitlement

[wareagleguy]

Home school children prove that any parent that is involved with his/her childs development and education will produce fine outstanding child.  Those same children would do just as well in public schools, private schools or home schools.  It is the parents that makes the child.  The problem that public schools have is the kids that have parents who just wants someone the rise them and use the school system to do it.

[351 power]

most home school kids are immature underachieving brats that have a hard time fitting into society.  and very few of those moma's boys are good 'team' players. education is worth money. and a real society values education, health care, and a sustainable food supply. but cheap gas and beer will satisfy most in some countries. socialism is reserved for banks, car manufacturers, investors, real estate speculators, etc.

[DDZ]

Here is an article written in 2005 called The Current State of American Education. Not much has changed in America education since 05, except a bunch more money is now being dumped into the cesspool. We always hear the reason for poor academic achievement, is that more money is needed. If its money, and higher teachers salaries that make kids smarter, we should have the most highly educated people on the planet. We are kind of far from that. It is not the tax payers, and their kids fault. Its what they are not being taught, and what they are taught.

The article is kind of long but has lots of things you never hear about.  

http://www.wallbuilders.com/downloads/newsletter/summer2005.pdf

Ever notice how just about every union, especially the teachers unions push to get people like Obama elected? Union supporters never want to talk much about that. If you support unions should you not also support and vote for the people the unions support? I think most of the time they do.  At my work place everybody that is pro unions, also support and vote for people with socialist tendencies.

[DDZ]

Home school children prove that any parent that is involved with his/her childs development and education will produce fine outstanding child.  Those same children would do just as well in public schools, private schools or home schools.  It is the parents that makes the child.  The problem that public schools have is the kids that have parents who just wants someone the rise them and use the school system to do it.

Its kind of a proven fact that home schooled kids and private schooled kids do much better academically than public schooled kids. The reason that parents send their kids to a public school is because they can't afford a private school, and they don't have the time to home school. If private schools were more affordable many more would be getting educated at private schools and they would be better off because of it.

[Dee]

I have no problem keeping my farm to code but when the government comes in as MAKES A CHANGE that I can either go out of business or perform the change then YES the government needs to work with the business to make it happen.  If that means money then the government needs to pay.  This is done every day and big business gets money too for the same reason.

I find it funny you used your trucking company as an example of how you paid your own way.  The fact is the trucking industry is the NUMBER ONE subsidized business in the country.

There's something I know a lot about and you obviously know very little. This thread ain't about trucks either my friend.

[wreckhog]

There certainly are bad teachers. And evil unions. NYC had their infamous rubber rooms til recently, where teachers received full pay and bennies while they did no teaching. You see, they could not be fired. But they could not teach either. Mostly recently, 2 really really hot young female teachers were doing each other in a classroom when the janitor caught them. Straight to the rubber room.

[Dee]

There certainly are bad teachers. And evil unions. NYC had their infamous rubber rooms til recently, where teachers received full pay and bennies while they did no teaching. You see, they could not be fired. But they could not teach either. Mostly recently, 2 really really hot young female teachers were doing each other in a classroom when the janitor caught them. Straight to the rubber room.

So where's the entitlement in this story?

[wreckhog]

I know one kid in home school. His parents are both MBA's from MIT and have money. Kid has a 160 IQ at 11. He was kicked out of private and public school for discipline issues. Home school is what they are required to do, because no school will take him. It is not a matter of the parents being lax. The kid is off.

[wreckhog]

There certainly are bad teachers. And evil unions. NYC had their infamous rubber rooms til recently, where teachers received full pay and bennies while they did no teaching. You see, they could not be fired. But they could not teach either. Mostly recently, 2 really really hot young female teachers were doing each other in a classroom when the janitor caught them. Straight to the rubber room.

So where's the entitlement in this story?

teachers received full pay and bennies while they did no teaching. You see, they could not be fired. But they could not teach either

Teachers were in the rubber room for YEARS!

[lakota]

Hey, indoctrinating the children is a hard and thankless job and it should have certain perks...

[williamlayton]

Yes we have two children both have degrees and one a masters.
My wife taught at a school for 30 years that had concerned parents and a strict Principal who back his teachers and the parents backed the teachers.
They produced some very good examples of structured adults who have accomplished well.
My daughter is lead counselor in a school called the Summit, here in Pasadena. It is a school for kids who have maxed out penalties at their school and are one step from Jail.
They are sent to the Summit and it is a jail. They have two full time Pasadena ISD school cops in the building all day.
The kids come to school high, pregnant and uncareing---the parents don't care and are constantly call my daughter about the harassment their little darlings aree getting.
Daily fights and it is almost impossible to suspend them from school.
You get out of a child exactly what you put into them and expect of them.
I don't know where some of you folks live but down here they can be fired.
Parents are 98% of the reason kids don't achieve.
Blessings

[Dee]

William well said.

[TheCoachZed]

most home school kids are immature underachieving brats that have a hard time fitting into society.  and very few of those moma's boys are good 'team' players.

Tell me, how do you REALLY feel about homeschooling? That's a pile of ignorant crap.

[guzzijohn]

I have 22 years working in education, not all in the classroom but when not teaching I work closely with a number of teachers and administrators. Due to the nature of what I do I have worked with 17 different school districts, work schools with as few as 90 students and schools with as many as 2,300 students so I have seen much.
All I am going to say is that if you have not spent at least a week in a typical classroom as a teacher you do not have a clue. I have my concerns about the unions too and only belonged to a union for a year during my first teaching job right out of college. Please don't bash teachers until you have walked in their shoes. At least here in Kansas I would say that their are way more conservative teachers than liberal ones. Most bust their a#% to do a good job. There a few poor ones but I would bet not any more than in any other profession. Many of the poor ones do not last long because the kids are evaluating them everyday and can drive them out even if administration cannot.
GuzziJohn

[351 power]

thank you guzzijohn

[saddlebum]

if it makes the teacher happy they should get it. We give our money to big banks who  use it to foreclose our houses. We're paying for those jerks on capitol hill who do nothing. They just repaved 10 miles of road by me which didn't need repaving. They erected a big sign that the money came from the recovery act. Viagra-they need some fun after teaching those little morons the whole day.

I say give them salt peter instead, to keep them from breeding more entitlements.   

[DDZ]

 I agree 100% that there are many good teachers, that do their best to teach their students. The problem is the teachers and their unions often hold tax payers hostage for more benefits and money. Regardless of the product they turn out. If teachers want to look better in the public eye maybe they should push to get rid of tenure, and make it easier for a school board to fire a poor performing teacher. The teachers union makes it almost impossible to fire lazy, unproductive teachers.
Our Education system will not be fixed unless all schools are privatized and the unions are gone. Let the free market dictate salaries, and entitlements. Just like any other free enterprise does.
With schools privatized there would be competition for the best teachers, and the best teachers would make the most money,  the ones that don't produce would not have a job. Best of all schools could weed out all the socialist garbage that is being taught in schools today, and actually teach reading, math, science, and American History, instead of the rewritten history that supports government agendas.

[williamlayton]

DDZ
I reallly don't think you have a clue.
Blessings

[beerbelly]

We need to end government education as we know it. Give each student a voucher and allow them to go to any school they choose. I think more teachers than not are just drawing a paycheck.
                               Beerbelly

[nw_hunter]

DDZ
I reallly don't think you have a clue.
Blessings

The Department of Education ERIC Thinks he might have a clue!

 Here is an excerpt from a recent study of homeschoolers: "According to a report published by the Educational Resources Information Center (ERIC) and funded by the Office of Educational Research and Improvement, U.S. Department of Education, homeschool student achievement test scores were exceptionally high. The median scores for every subtest at every grade were well above those of public and Catholic/private-school students. On average, homeschool students in grades one to four performed one grade level above their age-level public/private school peers on achievement tests. Students who had been homeschooled their entire academic life had higher scholastic achievement test scores than students who had also attended other educational programs."

 By the time homeschool students are in 8th grade, they are four years ahead of their public/private school counterparts."

And just think! Some of these home school teachers don't even have a degree!
My Grandmother was my first grade teacher, and she taught in a small two room school, with a High School Diploma, and a state Certification . Some of her students went on to medical, and law school.

The only (UNION) she swore allegiance to was the USA

[DDZ]

William, did you go to the link on post #32 and read the article?  I was not mentioning things that are just my opinion. They are facts. Its up to you if you want to believe them or not. Facts are facts.

It is a fact that when our students graduate high school they score well below many other countries in math and science. Yet we throw more money (per student) into education than these other countries. Look it up William they are facts!
 

[williamlayton]

DDZ
Yes, I read it and disagree.
Other countries--not all--but upcoming countries expect more of their children----THE PARENTS expect more and demand more. All countries have some public and some private schooling.
ISD's are local and independent but big governement gets involved. Schools are infastructure but should be left to the community to govern.
Now text books--very cotraversial. Text books are written by scholars and by the very nature of civilzation, these scholars avry in opinion, just like the folks in an ISD. Some are liberal and push their agenda and some are conservative and push theirs-----THIS AINT GONNA CHANGE.
Scools that are public are less expensive per household than private schooling---read more affordable. Home schooling is a very another subject and reports are varying as too results. There certainly is no authority over the way this schooling is conducted----READ--some will do it well and others poorly.
The key element---as I have stood on the soapbox and shouted--is the demands and expectations of the parents towards,not only the schools, but the students (their children).
There is nothing perfect about anything---some work out and progress and some just lie stagnat and no amout of rules will change this. Folks, lazy is as lazy does and we see this in good parents homes and poor.
Blessings     

[wreckhog]

There is a push to make textbooks open source. Ie, they can be modified by the public and distributed for free on the internet. That can both lower the cost of education, and create a textbook that more folks find acceptable. 1 plus 1 has equaled 2 for a long time and is unlikely to change. I suspect that this will really push home schooling into high gear.