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Fallen Soldiers' Families Denied Cash as Insurers Profit.
« on: August 10, 2010, 03:16:09 AM »

Fallen Soldiers' Families Denied Cash as Insurers Profit
By David Evans - Jul 28, 2010 10:00 AM ET


Cindy Lohman holds a photo of her late son, Ryan, on the grounds of Monocacy National Battlefield in Frederick, Maryland, on July 9, 2010. Photographer: Bill Cramer/Bloomberg Markets via Bloomberg
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The package arrived at Cindy Lohman’s home in Great Mills, Maryland, just two weeks after she learned that her son, Ryan, a 24-year-old Army sergeant, had been killed by a bomb in Afghanistan. It was a thick, 9-inch-by- 12-inch envelope from Prudential Financial Inc., which handles life insurance for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Inside was a letter from Prudential about Ryan’s $400,000 policy. And there was something else, which looked like a checkbook. The letter told Lohman that the full amount of her payout would be placed in a convenient interest-bearing account, allowing her time to decide how to use the benefit.

“You can hold the money in the account for safekeeping for as long as you like,” the letter said. In tiny print, in a disclaimer that Lohman says she didn’t notice, Prudential disclosed that what it called its Alliance Account was not guaranteed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its September issue.

Lohman, 52, left the money untouched for six months after her son’s August 2008 death.

“It’s like you’re paying me off because my child was killed,” she says. “It was a consolation prize that I didn’t want.”

As time went on, she says, she tried to use one of the “checks” to buy a bed, and the salesman rejected it. That happened again this year, she says, when she went to a Target store to purchase a camera on Armed Forces Day, May 15.

‘I’m Shocked’

Lohman, a public health nurse who helps special-needs children, says she had always believed that her son’s life insurance funds were in a bank insured by the FDIC. That money -- like $28 billion in 1 million death-benefit accounts managed by insurers -- wasn’t actually sitting in a bank.

It was being held in Prudential’s general corporate account, earning investment income for the insurer. Prudential paid survivors like Lohman 1 percent interest in 2008 on their Alliance Accounts, while it earned a 4.8 percent return on its corporate funds, according to regulatory filings.

“I’m shocked,” says Lohman, breaking into tears as she learns how the Alliance Account works. “It’s a betrayal. It saddens me as an American that a company would stoop so low as to make a profit on the death of a soldier. Is there anything lower than that?”

Millions of bereaved Americans have unwittingly been placed in the same position by their insurance companies. The practice of issuing what they call “checkbooks” to survivors, instead of paying them lump sums, extends well beyond the military.

Touching Americans

In the past decade, these so-called retained-asset accounts have become standard operating procedure in an industry that touches virtually every American: There are more than 300 million active life insurance policies in the U.S., and the industry holds $4.6 trillion in assets, according to the American Council of Life Insurers.

Insurance companies tell survivors that their money is put in a secure account. Neither Prudential nor MetLife Inc., the largest life insurer in the U.S., segregates death benefits into a separate fund.

Newark, New Jersey-based Prudential, the second-largest life insurer, holds payouts in its own general account, according to regulatory filings.

New York-based MetLife has told survivors in a standard letter: “To help you through what can be a very difficult, emotional and confusing time, we created a settlement option, the Total Control Account Money Market Option. It is guaranteed by MetLife.”

No FDIC Insurance

The company’s letter omits that the money is in MetLife’s corporate investment account, isn’t in a bank and has no FDIC insurance.

“All guarantees are subject to the financial strength and claims-paying ability of MetLife,” it says.

Both MetLife, which handles insurance for nonmilitary federal employees, and Prudential paid 0.5 percent interest in July to survivors of government workers and soldiers. That’s less than half of the rate available at some banks with accounts insured by the FDIC up to $250,000.

Bank of New York Mellon Corp. handles the paperwork and monthly statements for customers with MetLife “checking accounts.” The insurance company, not the bank, most recently reported holding about $10 billion in death benefits, in 2008.

The “checkbook” system cheats the families of those who die, says Jeffrey Stempel, an insurance law professor at the William S. Boyd School of Law at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, who wrote ‘Stempel on Insurance Contracts’ (Aspen Publishers, 2009).

‘Bad Faith’

“It’s institutionalized bad faith,” he says. “In my view, this is a scheme to defraud by inducing the policyholder’s beneficiary to let the life insurance company retain assets they’re not entitled to. It’s turning death claims into a profit center.”

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Re: Fallen Soldiers' Families Denied Cash as Insurers Profit.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 06:22:47 AM »
What a poorly written article.  Here is the important question:  Can she withdraw the money in it's entirety?  Is there some good reason she expected it to be FDIC insured since the amount is over the standard insurance amount?  Is there a good reason not to read the fine print or make a phone call after the first rejection?  Can we just take care of ourselves and stop complaining all the time?

If she can't withdraw the money she should hire a lawyer and go public.  She's been cheated and robbed.  If she is just mad because she was too stupid to read and understand the paperwork, why did this ever find a nut-job hack writer and internet glory?

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 07:27:12 AM »
What a poorly written article.  Here is the important question:  Can she withdraw the money in it's entirety? 

I agree with this, and that is a good question.

 Is there some good reason she expected it to be FDIC insured since the amount is over the standard insurance amount?

Another good and reasonable question.


Is there a good reason not to read the fine print or make a phone call after the first rejection?  Can we just take care of ourselves and stop complaining all the time?

Another good question, but not all folks are able to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo of lawyer created intentional confusion. And yes, they do intentionally create confusion for company gain.

If she can't withdraw the money she should hire a lawyer and go public.  She's been cheated and robbed.

With this statement I agree with entirely, and get the lawyer to sign an agreement on his fee to protect her from HIM after the settlement. 


 If she is just mad because she was too stupid to read and understand the paperwork, why did this ever find a nut-job hack writer and internet glory?

She really has the right to be angry, and just because she can't understand the paper work, doesn't make her stupid.

Someone could give you a helicopter, and I doubt you could learn by yourself to fly it, but I wouldn't consider you stupid. I do think it stupid to infer others might be stupid without knowing all the facts. I had a son do three combat tours and come back, so to have the worry as I did, and the loss as she suffered, I will give her a pass on not understanding all there is that has been thrown at her.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 07:42:15 AM »
Time to call her states insurance commisioner and state AG. As well as senators. She should also call the VFW, they  have some power in "affairs". I agree, she should have written a one time check for the amount due.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 07:58:39 AM »
If someone gave me a helicopter the first thing I would do is pick up the phone and call a helicopter pilot.  I wouldn't muddle around assuming that the great new helicopter was in a hanger providing me with the best possible benefit.  It does not matter what walk of life you are in, there are always going to be things you dont understand.  The important part is to find those who do understand, ask the right questions, and make sound decisions.  That is part of being a responsible citizen and adult.  Sitting, assuming, and then complaining drives me nuts.

I'm in the process of buying a new home.  I inspected the ground and found that the pond was low, despite all the rain we've had this summer.  I looked closer and found what appears to be a leak in the dam.  I know more than the average person about building ponds, and yet the first thing I did was call a structural engineer and talk to two equipment operators who build ponds.  The last thing I wanted to do was sit, assume everything was OK, and discover that I'd bought a house with a nice deck over looking a mud hole, then start complaining.  Take responsibility for yourself and the things happening around you.  If you don't, please don't complain about it.

I suspect she can actually withdraw her money and this is a purely fictional article designed to stir emotion rather than logic.


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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 08:03:52 AM »
I had this happen on an estate I worked on.

I simply wrote a check to the estate account for the balance.  It cleared, done.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 08:36:43 AM »
Me thinks my point was missed. :D
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2010, 10:54:37 AM »
It is a common practice to have proceeds of insurane put in an account at the insurance company.  They want you to stay.

Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.  Find out balance and withdraw it.  don't get a lawyer involved.

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 11:23:20 AM »
It is a common practice to have proceeds of insurane put in an account at the insurance company.  They want you to stay.

Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.  Find out balance and withdraw it.  don't get a lawyer involved.

that sounds like the best idea.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2010, 12:56:21 PM »
I am wondering why the checks issued were rejected by the stores.
I am wondering why you might think that someone would not need advice on this issue.
I have sympathy for her and, personally, understand the trama, stress and distraught confusion resulting from this experience---even 8 months later.
As far as the writer--I read stress.
If she wrote it why would you expect the legal and technical writings of am attorneys secretary.
I know Attorneys and they don't write the letters or papers that are drawn up---someone else does it for them.
Give the lady a break---she does not deserve the critism I read here.
She has lost her child--her baby she gave birth to, loved with only the love that a mother can love.
Get off her back.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2010, 01:01:08 PM »
You undoubtedly would have handled this Easley!
  This poor women had just lost her son! I doubt she was thinking with the cold logic you are so capable of .
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Please make your comments without insulting anyone.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 03:04:24 PM »
What a poorly written article.  Here is the important question:  Can she withdraw the money in it's entirety?  Is there some good reason she expected it to be FDIC insured since the amount is over the standard insurance amount?  Is there a good reason not to read the fine print or make a phone call after the first rejection?  Can we just take care of ourselves and stop complaining all the time?

If she can't withdraw the money she should hire a lawyer and go public.  She's been cheated and robbed.  If she is just mad because she was too stupid to read and understand the paperwork, why did this ever find a nut-job hack writer and internet glory?

Is insulting anyone the same as calling a woman that just lost her son "too stupid to read and understand the paper work", or are we being selective in correcting folks?
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2010, 05:12:24 PM »
What a poorly written article.  Here is the important question:  Can she withdraw the money in it's entirety?  Is there some good reason she expected it to be FDIC insured since the amount is over the standard insurance amount?  Is there a good reason not to read the fine print or make a phone call after the first rejection?  Can we just take care of ourselves and stop complaining all the time?

If she can't withdraw the money she should hire a lawyer and go public.  She's been cheated and robbed.  If she is just mad because she was too stupid to read and understand the paperwork, why did this ever find a nut-job hack writer and internet glory?

Is insulting anyone the same as calling a woman that just lost her son "too stupid to read and understand the paper work", or are we being selective in correcting folks?
LOL.  You are aware that the rules state that one should not insult other GBO members?  If the rules simply stated that one cannot insult anyone at all no one would be here.  I'm relatively certain you knew that...

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2010, 02:04:55 AM »
I don't see him singleing out anyone---he said FOLKS.
Your an attorney---you know better than to approach a subject with your feelings on your sleeve.
Now that is not insulting---just sound advice for self protection.
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2010, 05:34:14 AM »
I don't see him singleing out anyone---he said FOLKS.
Your an attorney---you know better than to approach a subject with your feelings on your sleeve.
Now that is not insulting---just sound advice for self protection.
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I don't especially care about this story.  I wanted to make the point that article was written poorly and designed to invoke emotion from those who wouldn't think for themselves.  This lady has not been wronged, there is no story here.  Reread my first post.  That some were offended by my opinion that she should take more affirmative action for herself is simply a sign of the times and/or their personal bias.

To each their own...