The Tea Party, and where it is headed.

[WylieKy]

It looks like the Tea Party may get a foot in the door this November.  What do you think they are going to do with it, and how will it reshape the political atmosphere?  Right now the Tea Party is fairly fragmented.  Some branches are Ultra-Conservative, some are more of a Libertarian demeanor, some are pretty much abstaining from many of the socio-political hot button issues and sticking to a pure "small government, controlled spending" type platform. 

What do you all think, and if you could waive your magic wand and set their platform for them, what would it be?

[Redhawk1]

It looks like the Tea Party may get a foot in the door this November.  What do you think they are going to do with it, and how will it reshape the political atmosphere?  Right now the Tea Party is fairly fragmented.  Some branches are Ultra-Conservative, some are more of a Libertarian demeanor, some are pretty much abstaining from many of the socio-political hot button issues and sticking to a pure "small government, controlled spending" type platform. 

What do you all think, and if you could waive your magic wand and set their platform for them, what would it be?

Come to our 9-12 Meeting and find out..

[Mikey]

I think the focus of change the Tea Party is advocating is simply to get rid/vote out all incumbents and start new, and let those newly elected know that they work for the voter, not the assembly or senate.  I would also like to see the Tea Party advocate a two term limit on every office, with a popular vote of 'no confidence' to determine if a particular politician should get the boot, not a ppopularity vote by his or her fellow politicians. 

Of course, I like small gov't, lower taxes, less gov't intrusion, state's rights, controlled spending and, my favorites are the annexing of sanctuary cities to form city states or self-governing special districts and get those dang overly expensive, non-producing, sinkholes of human overpopulation off the individual state doles so their spending can be limited by the feds.  IMO

[powderman]

Pro gun, pro life, anti homosexual, anti illegal invaders, anti sanctuary cities, anti anchor babies, pro smaller govt, pro military, pro God, anti muslim, anti A nti  C hristian  L iars  U nion, etc. POWDERMAN. 

[skarke]

Every living American has been conditioned to expect something from the public coffer.  Until we begin a controlled, but steady, dismantling of our entitlement State, including those sacred cows like SS, we're going to be arguing over crumbs.

At the present rate of growth in Federal spending alone, nevermind the Communist controlled States, we could ELIMINATE the defense budget, and swallow those "savings" in a couple of years.

People need to get off of the tit.

[wreckhog]

You forgot oil drilling, racism, term limits, healthcare and bailouts.

What is the Tea Party stance on unions?

[Redhawk1]

You forgot 2A, racism, term limits, healthcare and bailouts.

What is the Tea Party stance on unions?

The Unions are as corrupt as our government and are in bed with them... Need I say more...

[blind ear]

T-party will end up in the pocket of the Republicans, they have no where else to go with thier conservative base and lack of overall strength. Don't see them putting a dark horse winner in the Presidential race. They don't have anyone that will get nose to nose in opposition to current powers, (as Sarah Palin once did in her state).

The 2012 elections could put the Republicans back in a majority in congress. That will mean four more years policies of the past and people will realize (maybe) that the Republicans don't have an answer to the problems.

In the 2016 elections some really drastic views should be raised as platforms for change, addressing problems that have had protection from public exposure as being too "radical" (when they are truely only common sence ideas) by the current party shields. I hope it goes that well.

eddiegjr

[steg]

If they go with the republicans, they will be a lost cause, so far I'm with them all the way, if they were to put up a candidate, it would be giving a vote to the democrats, they won't be able to put up a real candidate that every conservative will feel comfortable voting for, and not feel like they were wasting a vote, and that will take some time, as voters feel them out, and see exactly where their coming from...steg

[teddy12b]

I'd like to see:

Secure the borders.
Cut the size of federal government in half.
Create an equal % tax regarding of income level and remove all other taxes.  One tax, one time.
Remind States they have the ability to manage themselves.
Term limits for all public offices.
More transparency on all votes & spending.
Make politicians retire on medicare & medicade like everyone else.

[teddy12b]

I don't think they'll get swallowed by the republican party.  I'd hope the republican party gets swallowed by the TEA party or they become their own fixed party.  The TEA party is what the Republican party should have been before it lost it's way.

[wreckhog]

I would like to see what happened if we had a 1 term limit for every political office. It would get rid of every single politician currently serving, at least in their current office, and would take professional politicians out of the game. It would also severely dilute the impact of lobbyists on the political process. A gamechanger.

[teddy12b]

I would like to see what happened if we had a 1 term limit for every political office. It would get rid of every single politician currently serving, at least in their current office, and would take professional politicians out of the game. It would also severely dilute the impact of lobbyists on the political process. A gamechanger.

I think an 8 year limit like that of the president would be a reasonable amount of time for a person to serve.  I want good people to be able to serve long enough to make an impact, and a short enough term for the corrupt to have less of an impact.

[wreckhog]

Maybe I am cynical, but i believe that politics does not attract good people, or if it does, there are so few, that is is irrelevent. I also believe that a law degree should disqualify anyone from running for office.

[blind ear]

+1 WRECKHOG, I have said for years that a law degree should create a conflict of interest for being an elected law maker in service of the public and thus not be allowed. Just like bankers makeing up the SEC, it is just another case of the foxes watching the chickens. eddiegjr

[Dee]

I don't think they'll get swallowed by the republican party.  I'd hope the republican party gets swallowed by the TEA party or they become their own fixed party.  The TEA party is what the Republican party should have been before it lost it's way.

I hope your right, and I support the T-Party, but have a wait and see attitude. My family attends the local ralleys, but as soon as they start the Republican crap, I am goin to drop out.

[teddy12b]

My family attends the local ralleys, but as soon as they start the Republican crap, I am goin to drop out.

I don't think the part you consider the republican crap is actually republican crap.  Traditionally republicans were for smaller and more transparent government, lower taxes, and less federal influence on how states run their own land.  An old school republican and modern day TEA party member are pretty much one in the same.  The problem exists with the current batch of incumbent republicans who are just as corrupt as the other side.  The last batch of republicans gave all of them a bad name with all the spending, and righfully so.

This is the first year in my life where I actually voted in a primary election.  I went there specifically to not vote for the incumbent Mark Sauder who ran radio adds against the bail outs, then sold out or had his arm twisted before voting for the bail outs.  It wasn't till after the primary that the news of his affair came out and I felt very proud for not voting for that guy even though he still won overwhelmingly.  

One of the bigger problems we have in this country is that people don't get off their butts until November elections when the primaries are equally if not more important.  I'm guilty of this too, but this year I tried to correct my mistakes.

Regardless of what happens in November, I don't think the non-democrat parties will take the 2 thirds of government needed to stop Obama’s policies or spending.  The feeling I have in my gut is that the country is sitting on a powderkeg and once the only hope of November is past and nothing changes there won’t enough hope to keep people from doing bad things.  I hope for a peaceful transition, but I think the country is in for hard/dangerous times with everything from big city riots to small town people disappearing.  I desperately hope I’m wrong.

[scootrd]

I'd like to see:

Remind States they have the ability to manage themselves.

How about remind the fed Govt to keep nose out of states rights and business.
Fed mandated (and unfunded) "No child left behind " yeah now there was a good program as example Bankrupting the states. And how do you think the states make up for the shortfall having to fund all these Fed mandated and unfunded programs  -  yep.. they raise my taxes.

Well guess what Fed ...working class is tapped out... We gots no more... you can pick us up by my ankles and shake till our pockets empty , you wont find even a nickle more to take So you just keep adding programs and raisin taxes but you cant get blood from a stone. The working class in America is flat busted Broke. the well is dry.

[Redhawk1]

I don't think they'll get swallowed by the republican party.  I'd hope the republican party gets swallowed by the TEA party or they become their own fixed party.  The TEA party is what the Republican party should have been before it lost it's way.

I hope your right, and I support the T-Party, but have a wait and see attitude. My family attends the local ralleys, but as soon as they start the Republican crap, I am goin to drop out.

Our 9-12 group does not support or endorse candidates, but the platform we support is the conservative platforms, and sorry to say it, but some of  the Republicans are fitting that platform. Now not all of them are on the same playing field.

The TEA party people get behind candidates, but they can't stop what happens once someone gets in office.  The TEA Party and 9-12 groups want nothing to do with either party. But it is almost impossible to get someone in as an actual TEA Party candidate, but they will back and support conservative politicians that meet the platform.

Dee, one question, if you stop supporting the TEA parties, who would you support?

[Dee]

Well for everyone reading into my post things I didn't say, I have voted in every primary, and every election since I turned voting age, and since I'm now 60, that's a few elections and primaries. About 15 years ago, I started actually looking at voting records if the candidates had one, and any that didn't vote 100% Constitution and Bill of Rights ALL THE TIME, I pick an alternative candidate which was usually a 3rd party candidate. I don't vote lessor of two evils, because I don't believe in the concept. I am sure many of you do, and you have all kinds of advice, but until the lessor of two evils voters have finally given all my rights away, and they have finally traded away my right to vote, I will still vote for the best candidate, not one of the two most popular ones. Now everyone can debate my attitude but, you will have to do it among yourselves because I ain't gonna knowingly vote for a traitor, and anyone whom votes against the Constitution or Bill of Rights is a traitor, and I ain't gonna debate it.
Inalienable rights means "God Given" not politician given, and I ain't heard God mention takin'em back just yet, but I have noticed a lot a folks tradin'em off to politicians out fear of another politician. I myself "ain't skeered". They'll have to take'em, cause I ain't give'em away.

[teddy12b]

They'll have to take'em, cause I ain't give'em away.

Well, they are taking them.  They're going to keep taking away everyones rights especially in the Nov to Jan timeframe.  I think that's about the time the the last straw is going to break the camels back and bad things will start happening.  I just hope the revolution doesn't screw up deer season.   

[Dee]

That they are disappearin there is no doubt teddy, but I believe their being given away with this lessor of thing, and then the folks that vote for the liberals too.

[teddy12b]

The problem with people who vote for liberals, are that there are people who vote for liberals.  Seems like anyone I talk to who lives in Chicago just can't get enough of Obama.  I don't get it, but it is what it is.  I hate to say it, but the best thing that could happen to a city full of candy arse liberals would be an end times scenario like those mentioned in the book "One Second After".  Beyond an event like that they'll never learn to rely on themselves.  I think liberals tend to be the first ones to forget about 9-11 and why we went to the A-stan.  My sissy liberal cousin from Chicago always blaims both wars on GWB and seems to have all but forgetten about 9-11.  He's a classic example of Americans with short term memories. 

[Redhawk1]

Liberals live in a bubble of fairy tails and visions of grand illusions.

The reason most people vote the lessor of two evils is, they don't want the Liberals to win, but we can't come up with one person that everyone can agree with. Until someone can convince the people to pull there heads out of there back sides, we will keep getting what we got. 

[Cornbelt]

There won't be any political solutions as long as politics is about politicians.
 Do we need another disaster before that happens?  And how efficient will the government ever be when the leaders are career politicians from families of career politicians, or as long as voters don't know or care that freedom is about responsibility and not endulgence?
 I don't know, but I ain't holding my breath.

[teddy12b]

It's always amazed me that we can find young men and women who will willingly put themselves in harms way to serve their country, but it's exceptionally rare to find a politician who would just be honest and live a moral life.

[Dee]

It's always amazed me that we can find young men and women who will willingly put themselves in harms way to serve their country, but it's exceptionally rare to find a politician who would just be honest and live a moral life.

Young men follow old men's directions concerning wars, because their young and naive, and just don't know any better. They fall for the old duty, honor, and glory routine.  After a little while they figure it out if their smart. I saw several of my fellow officers over a 20 year career layin in a box, and all I noticed was a family without a father, husband, son. In six months the man's name seldom came up. You can't get most older men to follow those bozos cause they know their blowin sunshine, and know that they don't believe it enough to do any of the fightin themselves. I was all for bombin Afghanistan into powder, but I never fell for that Iraq crap. I could have cared less if Iraq kicked Kuwait's butt for angle drillin and stealing oil.
I say, if you want to go to war, lead the damn way amigo. I'll be right "behind you".

[torpedoman]

HIJACKED by professional pols.

[billy_56081]

I would like to see the Tea party have a black ball for some folks. We don't need the whiners and folks who switch with the wind. We need true partiots, folks who will fight for thier rights.

[torpedoman]

My greatest fear is that it will draw just enough conservatives to reelect the dems. It should clean out all the professional politicians but i'm afraid the American voters just aren't that smart.America as a great country is finished, It will die the same way the roman empire did, the masses too distracted by entertainment ( T.V. pro sports instead of the arena) while the power brokers steal everything that is worth while.