How Muslims Treat Women

[gypsyman]

I can think of 3 daughters, and 2 wives that were killed because of Shria law. I don't have the time to look up all the links. Just read and listen to the news. Beside's, isn't just one ''honor killing'' to many?? gypsyman

[powderman]

Only a muslim would be PROUD of murdering his wife or children. Sickos. POWDERMAN. 

[Pat/Rick]

Another muzzie who will spawn no more terrorists. Whats the problem?  Britain tried taming the tribal problem in gannistan. They failed. America will fail as well. The only thing the practitioners of the religion of peace understand is destruction. Not what we in the satanic west believe. The only thing that will make them understand anything, like not messin with us, is to take away their ability to be a viable race of people. ie, kill as many as we can. Milosovic understood this and a bunch of mamby pamby neutered western idiots had him murdered in prison. Not committed to total war? Stay home. Wasted American and allied lives. Pity.

[powderman]

PAT/RICK. YEP. The only thing the Godless ones understand is brute force. When we are hit by them again, and we will be, mecca would be my first target. POWDERMAN.  

[Dweezil]

PAT/RICK. YEP. The only thing the Godless ones understand is brute force. When we are hit by them again, and we will be, mecca would be my first target. POWDERMAN.  

UMMM....OK.   So Jesus didn't REALLY mean it when he told his followers to turn the other cheek?  I totally GET wanting revenge.  It's simply human nature...but can anyone here show me in scripture where the Jesus Christ they claim to follow advocated violence?

I have nothing good to say about Muslims and their treatment of women...but if you claim to be Christian, then BE Christian...even if some of Christ's message goes against your natural urges.

[Pat/Rick]

This has nothing to do with christianity IMO. It is about the survival of a nation and its culture. The nation that has proven to be the most benevolent in the history of the world. Christianity was neutered by the west in Yugoslavia. The peace loving muzzies started burning churches. Christianity will be non relevent if/when sharia law is adopted. We, our kids ,and grandkids may never see it, but staying on the path america is travelling may ensure future generations do see it. I still believe that christianity still takes lessons from the O.T. as the jewish do. Judeo-Christian. If modern christians only follow the N.T. should we disregard the book of Leviticus' moralities? Like it or not,islam has declared holy war upon america, it is foolish for one to think they can ignore those who would kill you for your beliefs.God gave us life and the ability to defend it, I will not ask for what reason. War cannot be stopped, it is prophecy, God said after the flood, I will not destroy man again. Man will destroy man. Paraphrased. Honestly, it's been along time since I have studied scripture. But, thats how I see it.

[powderman]

DWEEZIL. Hitting mecca would have nothing to do with revenge, it would be the first step in stopping the attacks of the Godless ones. Overwhelming force is the only thing they understand. If Jesus didn't want his disciples to defend themselves why did he tell them to sell their cloaks and buy swords??? He knew he would not be there to protect them. Swords were not used to kill rabbits, they were to kill or defend oneself. I have no qualms about using deadly force to defend my family or my Nation. I doubt that Jesus would expect me to stand idly by while scum raped and murdered my family if I had the means to stop them. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

Wouldn't hitting mecca involve killing women and children? Oops.

[powderman]

wreckhog. Of course it would, your point is?? POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

wreckhog. Of course it would, your point is?? POWDERMAN. 

Charlie, I'm not sure he has ever had a point. Just remember to "lead them a little less". 

[Brett]

UMMM....OK.   So Jesus didn't REALLY mean it when he told his followers to turn the other cheek?  I totally GET wanting revenge.  It's simply human nature...but can anyone here show me in scripture where the Jesus Christ they claim to follow advocated violence?

In the "turn the other cheek" scripture from Christ's sermon on the mound Christ is referring to an insult not a real physical attach.  Look deeper into the context.

Advocated violence?  Advocated is kind of a strong word how about permit?: "...But now, he who has a purse, let him take it, and likewise a sack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" (Luke 22:36).  Consider that the sword was the finest offensive weapon available to an individual -- the equivalent then of a military rifle today.  I doubt Christ thought they would need a sword to slice bologna.

Exodus 22:2-3 tells us: "If a thief is caught breaking in (at night) and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;  but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed."   *At night, when the intruder's intentions could not be judged (he might be intending to murder someone) and the property-owner could not clearly identify the intruder and take care only to restrain him, there was no bloodguilt.  In other words Jesus was giving permission to defend ones life and or the lives of his loved ones.

[wreckhog]

wreckhog. Of course it would, your point is?? POWDERMAN. 

Bit hypocritical to criticize muslims when you are itching for the same.

[Casull]

This building is the symbol of unrequited love of a man for a women the world over...and it was built by an islamic.

So, the love of ONE muslim man for ONE muslim woman somehow equals or negates the mistreatment of millions of muslim women by millions of muslim men?   

[powderman]

This building is the symbol of unrequited love of a man for a women the world over...and it was built by an islamic.

So, the love of ONE muslim man for ONE muslim woman somehow equals or negates the mistreatment of millions of muslim women by millions of muslim men?   

CASUL.L YEP. HEH, thats about the way he sees it I reckon.
wreckhog. Again I ask, what is your point??? Muslim children are raised from birth to hate, muslim women breed more just like them. And your point is?. POWDERMAN. 

[Dweezil]

UMMM....OK.   So Jesus didn't REALLY mean it when he told his followers to turn the other cheek?  I totally GET wanting revenge.  It's simply human nature...but can anyone here show me in scripture where the Jesus Christ they claim to follow advocated violence?

In the "turn the other cheek" scripture from Christ's sermon on the mound Christ is referring to an insult not a real physical attach.  Look deeper into the context.

Advocated violence?  Advocated is kind of a strong word how about permit?: "...But now, he who has a purse, let him take it, and likewise a sack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" (Luke 22:36).  Consider that the sword was the finest offensive weapon available to an individual -- the equivalent then of a military rifle today.  I doubt Christ thought they would need a sword to slice bologna.

Exodus 22:2-3 tells us: "If a thief is caught breaking in (at night) and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;  but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed."   *At night, when the intruder's intentions could not be judged (he might be intending to murder someone) and the property-owner could not clearly identify the intruder and take care only to restrain him, there was no bloodguilt.  In other words Jesus was giving permission to defend ones life and or the lives of his loved ones.

Yes, I've seen that one text.  But what happens in the one recorded episode in scripture when one of Christ's disciples actually USES that sword?  Exhibit A: Scene: The Garden of Gethsemene.  Jesus is in the process of being betrayed by Judas and one of the disciples, presumably Peter, cuts off a soldier's ear with his sword.  Read it for yourself: Matthew 26: 50-52.  Definitely not condoning violence...even in defense of the Messiah.

Regarding the Exodus quote: Exodus was written well before the time of Christ so attributing it to him is a bit disingenuous.  Of course, if you want to bound by Old Testament law, fine.  Hope you don't like bacon, shrimp or meat on your pizza.  And, if your older brother dies without a male heir, you have to marry his wife, have sex with her, and any inheritance that would normally go to your children, automatically goes to your oldest brother's oldest son. (Deuteronomy 24:5-9)  Case study?  Onan, Genesis 38:6-10. 

But hey, it that's your thing, go for it.

Of course, if you do, you might as well be a Muslim under Sharia.  There was a lot of stoning going on in the Old Testament.  Read most of Deuteronomy.

[wreckhog]

This building is the symbol of unrequited love of a man for a women the world over...and it was built by an islamic.

So, the love of ONE muslim man for ONE muslim woman somehow equals or negates the mistreatment of millions of muslim women by millions of muslim men?  

CASUL.L YEP. HEH, thats about the way he sees it I reckon.
wreckhog. Again I ask, what is your point??? Muslim children are raised from birth to hate, muslim women breed more just like them. And your point is?. POWDERMAN.  

Do you know any Muslim children? I do. Some uber rich Kuwaitis. That just returned as the dad's job rotated him back. They don't hate anyone. They love Dora the Explorer though.

[powderman]

wreckhog. You've brought up women and children several Xs, 2 Xs I've asked what your point was, no answer.
Fact is, we are at war, like it or not. The enemy is not just one nation, the enemy is islam. We will be hit again and I'm sure far worse than on 9-11-01, either multiple bombings or suitcase nukes, probably both. Mecca seems to be the home of their satan, or cult, highly revered in the Godless nations. Women and children died on 9-11-01, innocent Americans. Mecca would just be the first target. The snake of islam has many heads to cut off, scattered all over the world. Think what you want, but we ARE in a war. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

.......................... Hell, we even have a judge that basically okayed a husband that killed his wife.

        Off subject,,,,,,,,,however...............

As bad as that is, it upsets me less then a Fed Judge giving an identifiable ethnic group 6 votes per person to ensure them to have one of their own elected.
Why this Judge is still on the bench is unthinkable to me.

[powderman]

Gotta agree with bbf, he has me on iggy so he'll never know I said it. POWDERMAN. 

[Brett]

UMMM....OK.   So Jesus didn't REALLY mean it when he told his followers to turn the other cheek?  I totally GET wanting revenge.  It's simply human nature...but can anyone here show me in scripture where the Jesus Christ they claim to follow advocated violence?

In the "turn the other cheek" scripture from Christ's sermon on the mound Christ is referring to an insult not a real physical attach.  Look deeper into the context.

Advocated violence?  Advocated is kind of a strong word how about permit?: "...But now, he who has a purse, let him take it, and likewise a sack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" (Luke 22:36).  Consider that the sword was the finest offensive weapon available to an individual -- the equivalent then of a military rifle today.  I doubt Christ thought they would need a sword to slice bologna.

Exodus 22:2-3 tells us: "If a thief is caught breaking in (at night) and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;  but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed."   *At night, when the intruder's intentions could not be judged (he might be intending to murder someone) and the property-owner could not clearly identify the intruder and take care only to restrain him, there was no bloodguilt.  In other words Jesus was giving permission to defend ones life and or the lives of his loved ones.

Yes, I've seen that one text.  But what happens in the one recorded episode in scripture when one of Christ's disciples actually USES that sword?  Exhibit A: Scene: The Garden of Gethsemene.  Jesus is in the process of being betrayed by Judas and one of the disciples, presumably Peter, cuts off a soldier's ear with his sword.  Read it for yourself: Matthew 26: 50-52.  Definitely not condoning violence...even in defense of the Messiah.

Look closer at Matthew 26: 50-52.  Does Jesus say "throw away your sword" no He said put it back in it's place.  Jesus was telling Peter that was not the right time and right place to use his sword.  Jesus had to be taken into custody and crucified, that was the game plan for man's salvation. 

Jesus did not put up a fight Himself again because it was the Father's will that He should Go to the cross not because Jesus was some kind of pacifist.  Did Jesus not physically run the merchants out of the temple?

John 2:13-16 (King James Version)

 13And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

 14And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

 15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

 16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.   

Note verse 15, He drove them out with a whip, doesn't sound like a pacifist thing to do to me. 

[Dweezil]

Ok, so it's obvious Jesus was not a capitalist...but if you're using this passage to say Jesus condones violence, it's a bit of a reach. Did he kill anybody in the process of driving out the moneychangers?  Slash or stab them with his sword?  This passage really sticks out because it's one of the rare instance where Jesus loses his temper. The temple animal traders and money changers were  notorius for taking advantage of the poor, something Christ, as champion of the poor and down trodden, simply couldn't tolerate.

[Pat/Rick]

 Remember that in the future, If somebody visits you, your house, your family,your countrymen, with violence, to turn the proverbial cheek.

[SHOOTALL]

JIMSTER. HEH, now ya done it. Ol tms gonna go back thousands of years now to the time of Moses, which of course has nothing to do with the way modern day muslims treat their dogs, uhhh cattle,  uhhhhh, posessions, uhhhh, I mean women. But that won't stop him. Anything to change the subject. POWDERMAN. 

You and Ms Palin are fundie literalists.. you denying you belief system now to promote xenophonia?

Sarah Palin is a judaeo-christian evangelical fundamentalist and ace supporter of zionist Israel, which means she is a literalist and accepts the OT as written. She always repeatedly claims that the USA is a 'judaoe-christian nation', disregarding basic separation of church and state she says:

Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant — they’re quite clear — that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the ten commandments. What in hell scares people about talking about America’s foundation of faith? It is that world view that involves some people being afraid of being able to discuss our foundation, being able to discuss God in the public square, that’s the only thing I can attribute it to.



What she means and goes on to say is that people not obeying the Ten Commandments are committing crimes. What are the punishments for these crimes and sins?  Even PM, who always accuses muzzies of harsh crimes, knows this...by Commandent:

#1 stoning to death

#2 stoning to death

#3 stoning to death

#4 stoning to death

#5 death

#6 death

#7 stoning to death

#8 sold into slavery

#9 you are flogged, destroyed,

#10 stoning to death

Our legislators need to get busy if we are to follow PM, swampie's , subjoe's , IG et al and Sarah Palin’s logic just like the muzzies. They have a lot of pretty harsh laws to write starting right now.

Sarah Palin et al. wants this country to be “Judeo-Christian”, by which they mean that the real Americans are Jews and Christians…certainly not Muslim-Americans, whose loyalty, society, religion, culture must always be questioned and warred against, since they are not real Americans and they are to be hated and warred against perpetually.  This all fits their xenophobic paradigm and cosmo-NWO agenda.

Palin’s contention that our Founding Fathers wanted to base this country’s law upon the Ten Commandments flies in the face of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

So now, let’s imagine:

What if a muzzie had said: “We need to create U.S. law based on the Quran”? which is a fear and red herring often thrown up. What if someone said that American law should be based upon “Sharia”, instead of Pharseic Law which it presently is?? People like PM, swampie, subjoe, IG and the rest of the goofy troop would bescreaming “Islamicization!” “Dhimmitude!” “Jihad!” “Islamic Domination!” at the top of their lungs. They would spend day and night quoting Islamic scripture–just like I referenced with the Bible–to prove how horrible such a sentiment is.  If they want to weaponize the Quran and hadiths, one can do the same with their scriptures.  They will not win in this game, and it’s really unbelievable how profound their hypocrisy is.



Some may get offended at how I used the Bible and Ms. Palin to make a point, and I respect that.  But it necessary to use some of their own bitter medicine as example, so they know how it feels and why it’s wrong to do....to make wars by racism and religious rivalry.  It’s only when you are on the receiving end of it that you will realize how obnoxious it is. Fact is there is are a some muzzie fundamentalist, just like judaeo-christian Sarah et al, that do some pretty nasty evil things...but there is 99.5% that don't!!  I wish I could say the same ratio exist with the judaeo-christian fundies.
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TM7
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Was this not before Jesus came ? Are we not suppose to forgive now ? Is that not what he taught us ? Is that not what he did on the cross ?

[SHOOTALL]

Remember that in the future, If somebody visits you, your house, your family,your countrymen, with violence, to turn the proverbial cheek.

We are to forgive but not give in . A sunday school teacher once told me we are to turn the other cheek but if the guy swings for that one all bets are off !
I tend to agree !

[Casull]

Fact is there is are a some muzzie fundamentalist, just like judaeo-christian Sarah et al, that do some pretty nasty evil things...

Ok, tm, exactly what nasty evil things has Sarah Palin done?   

[Casull]

Fact is there is are a some muzzie fundamentalist, just like judaeo-christian Sarah et al, that do some pretty nasty evil things...but there is 99.5% that don't!!  I wish I could say the same ratio exist with the judaeo-christian fundies.

I'd say that 99.99% is better than 99.5%.  See, I can make up numbers too.   

[billy_56081]

You are correct that Jesus did not kill anyone. Once again the antisemites are trying to change the topic of this thread. Old mohammed was for a fact a murderer, thief and child molester and his followers are the same. They beat, rape and kill their women as if the were livestock. That is a fact, no need to try to sidestep this thread to forward your antisemetic and anti Chrisian views. We can all see you fopr what you are.

[powderman]

HEH. I knew it, ol tm went back THOUSANDS of years to try and make his muzzie friends look good. I said he'd do that, Can I call em or what??? POWDERMAN.  

[ironglow]

  Back to the original post which started this thread...
  The second groundhog I shot this year, (CCI Mini-mag @85 yards)..when I got to the chuck, I could see the babies moving inside. I really felt bad about that and decided I would delay shooting them till a bit later next year.
   These Taliban monsters KNEW that baby would suffer terribly before it expired..i would expect there is a special place in hell for them..
   http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/taliban-flog-execute-pregnant-woman-afghanistan   This journal is not alone, just google > taliban executes pregnant woman < and many reputable news agencies will tell the same story.
   
  TM; you have indeed topped yourself in this thread..saying Several of us, plus Sarah Palin endorse stoning of women..  What on earth have you been smoking?   If you're relying upon YOUR understanding of scripture..you better get a little help from a nearby kindergarden level  Sunday School class.

  For the builder of the Taj mahal..he was partially correct. There really is something that will wash all one's sins away, ..but it won't be found in the taj mahal..

  You mentioned something about some "fundies"..don't recognize that term, other than relating to radical Islam. Of course, you may be trying to attach some kind of title to we who disagree with you. If that's the case, we need a way of differentiating between the two groups..  How about "fundies" vs "undies"?

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. Don't really know what fundies are but I reckon thats us cause tm says so. How do you pronounce GWOT??? Another word tm fancies. Nothing he has said about anything from thousands of years ago or about Israel has anything to do with the murder of a pregnant woman by modern day animals . I wonder if they waited til the baby quit breathing and moving to bury her or if they buried the baby  alive? Hmmmm, just wondering, maybe tm knows. POWDERMAN.