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Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« on: August 14, 2010, 01:34:56 AM »
  For all who have wondered where this prez and his values are coming from; it sure looks like both come from "the holy prophet"!
  BHO endorses the mosque to be built at ground zero.

  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41060.html
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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2010, 04:44:25 AM »
The guy running the effort to build a mosque overshadowing ground zero ha said such things as "Osama Bin Ladin was made in America",
  and has refused to agree that Hamas and other terrorist organizations are terrorist organizations..
       I can see the radicals building a multiostory building and filling it with explosives (just as TM7 claims the WTC was). Imagine what a "splash" that would make in NY city... and the world..when the Muz-rads all depart for Islamoland..leaving a timed detonation !

  here, Frank Gaffney repeats a warning, first delivered by a Muslim woman;

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2H5aE94UM0
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 05:12:16 AM »
TM7 do you have fevers with those fits? ;D

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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 05:29:59 AM »
a] Sarah and FOXY changed the term of 'cultural center' to 'mosque'


Actually, the builders tried to hid building a mosque under the cover of calling it a cultural center.


b] Bloomberg and BHO endorse the 'mosque' on grounds of religious freedom and non-intervention by government...but of course we know they are just feeding the fire.


Yet they continue to block the rebuilding of St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church which was destroyed in the WTC attack.  Why go full tilt on pushing the building of a brand new mosque, but stonewall the rebuild of a church that had been there since the 1930s?  Isn't that hindering religious freedom and injecting government intervention?

c] the facilty is to be actually 2 or so blocks from GZ, several hundred yards from GZ, which is far in a city.



No, it is half a block and across one intersection from the WTC campus.  

d] Romney and his two jewish partners who own the building do not have to sell the building, nor does the city board have to approve. Bloomberg could end this project.


But if they don't sell, the intolerance and race card gets played.


e] the reformed moslem guy and his wife (I forget their names) sponsoring the project are employees of the government as roving ambassadors. His wife seems to be all for islamic reforming and normalization of women's rights, one staed purpose of the project. However, they appear to be part and parcel to this deception.


And the groups backing it have close ties to money laundering for Hamas

f] About 1/2 of NYCityers don't care about the project and they don't think moslems had much to do with the WTC demolitions anyway...this includes many NYPD and FD

Which means that about half do care about it.  Why go out of the way to offend them?

g] about 300 moslems died in the WTC demolitions...far more than jews who took the day off or vacated leases just days before.

So what?  Other than showcasing your anti-semitism.

h] moslem population of NYCity is significant these days.

Which means that they have plenty of mosques around, and don't need to build one half a block away from the WTC.

i] and moslem enlistment in our military is probably 3rd to hispanic ethnicity and far more than judaeo enlistment.

Again, other than showing off your anti-semitism, so what?

j] Andrew Cuomo, running for NY governor, OKs the project, BUT is opponent inflames the issue...even stating he would use 'emminent domain' to squash the project.


And, again, so what?  Cuomo is just another guilt ridden liberal afraid of offending anyone except Americans.


Hey!  Lets build a Japanese Cultural Center right next to the USS Arizona.  And a monument to the USAAF across the street from the Hiroshima Prefectural Commercial Exhibition, and maybe a army recruiting center at Sand Creek.
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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 06:12:26 AM »
Muslims have always built mosques on ground conquered. Jerusalem is but, one example. There are those here that will cheer for the falling of America, saying that the average American deserves it. While the average American is for the most part oblivious to the Democratic and Republican agenda to finish the rape and pillage of our American society, the supporters of the Muslim faith will reap the wind of the faith, when it finally, and eventually gets it's way here.
The "Christian eternity" speaks of no sickness, no tears, and no sadness. The "Muslim eternity" speaks of exclusiveness, 70 some odd personal whores, and plenty of booze. Hmmmmm, Quite a contrast.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 06:32:31 AM »
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The "Christian eternity" speaks of no sickness, no tears, and no sadness. The "Muslim eternity" speaks of exclusiveness, 70 some odd personal whores, and plenty of booze. Hmmmmm, Quite a contrast.




DEE. YEP, and don't forget the fresh young boys promised. YEP, big difference between Jesus Christ and mohamed. They have a dead false prophet in hell, we have a very much alive Jesus Christ in Heaven. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 06:34:56 AM »
I have never heard of the WTC described as a campus before. The WTC is mostly towers 1 and 2. The rest of the buildings were not commonly thought of as WTC, though of course, they were ultimately destroyed, like parts of the World Financial Center, 130 Liberty (Deutsche Bank's mold building which killed firemen years later) etc.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 06:53:42 AM »
The Quran. Chapter 47, a "river of wine". Chapters 781 782. 72 virgins.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 06:58:25 AM »
"Tolerance and sensitivity" I am sick and tired of being lectured about being tolerant and sensitive towards other people's race religion ad nauseum.
Tolerance and sensitivity is a TWO WAY STREET and cannot exist otherwise. The people behind the Cordoba initiative should be TOLERANT AND SENSITIVE to the 64% of Americans that oppose the mosque near Ground Zero and build it somewhere else.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/13/fox-news-poll-percent-think-wrong-build-mosque-near-ground-zero/
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 07:00:45 AM »
You mean like when an entire state (California) votes AGAINST queer marriage, and ONE JUDGE decides the entire state is wrong, and he is right?
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 07:27:39 AM »
DEE. YEP. There are daily reminders that satan is alive and well. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 09:33:23 AM »
"Tolerance and sensitivity" I am sick and tired of being lectured about being tolerant and sensitive towards other people's race religion ad nauseum.
Tolerance and sensitivity is a TWO WAY STREET and cannot exist otherwise. The people behind the Cordoba initiative should be TOLERANT AND SENSITIVE to the 64% of Americans that oppose the mosque near Ground Zero and build it somewhere else.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/13/fox-news-poll-percent-think-wrong-build-mosque-near-ground-zero/

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 12:36:09 PM »
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TM7 do you have fevers with those fits?

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2010, 12:44:28 PM »
The Quran. Chapter 47, a "river of wine". Chapters 781 782. 72 virgins.
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Sorry Dee...these don't check out... ???...the 72 virgin deal especially. Chap 47....mmmm...is that in reference to Jesus..?  Not sure where you're looking in Quran or in which Hadith.  Suicide in islam is the worst of sins. Belief in heaven is like ours...no earthly body and you wouldn't want to return,,,no use for virgins....only a 'martyr' would want to return to earth.


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HEH. There was no doubt in anybodys mind that YOU would have a koran. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2010, 12:19:29 PM »
HEH. There was no doubt in anybodys mind that YOU would have a koran. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Not saying that he does or doesn't, but come on - it's the 21st century and we have the most massive searchable information database in history at our fingertips.  Virtually every public domain book (including the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, Mark Twain, and almost anything else you want to look up) can be located in electronic format in less than 30 seconds via Google.  Dee obviously cited it too and I'd wager that he doesn't own a paper copy of it.

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2010, 02:51:47 PM »
MCMORDEN. TRUE, but I bet tm has several. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2010, 04:55:09 PM »
  THIS IS IMPORTANT !!  I sure hope you neither missed it or forgot it!!

   Reread the article I posted to start this thread...Obama had a bunch of Muslims into the White house.... to CELEBRATE the start of RAMADAN.....

       Earlier this year, he CANCELLED the normal national DAY OF PRAYER..held at the White house by every president since 1952 when it  first launched...
       http://www.examiner.com/headlines-in-salt-lake-city/obama-cancelled-2010-white-house-national-day-of-prayer-ceremony

   What does that tell us? Can you begin to guess where his loyalties reside?
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2010, 05:30:47 PM »
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Can you begin to guess where his loyalties reside?



It certainly isn't with Christians, or Americans. We discussed osama in church this morning. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2010, 03:20:30 AM »
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Can you begin to guess where his loyalties reside?



It certainly isn't with Christians, or Americans. We discussed osama in church this morning. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
He celebrates CHRISTmas with the troops. What does that say?

Obama with troops on Christmas
.By CAROL E. LEE | 12/26/08 3:00 PM EST t.
President-elect Barack Obama spent part of his holiday visiting with military personnel at Marine Corps Base Hawaii.
Photo: AP KAILUA, Hawaii — President-elect Barack Obama spent over an hour greeting service men and women as they ate Christmas dinner at the mess hall on a military base about ten minutes from the beachfront home where his family is vacationing over the holidays.


It was Obama’s first formal meet-and-greet with rank-and-file members of the military since winning the election. He thanked them for their service and wished them a Merry Christmas. Obama took his time shaking hands and making small talk with the diners, who represented seven Marine and Navy units.


“Good to see you man," Obama said to one.


"Thanks for your service," he said to another.


Wearing dark khaki slacks and a short-sleeve blue button-down shirt, Obama entered Anderson Hall on Marine Corps Base Hawaii Kaneohe Bay shortly after 4 p.m. Thursday.

Obama worked the left side of the room, where diners sat at about 25 tables with red or white table cloths, “Seasons Greetings” placemats and green napkins. They had already filled their plates at the buffet with traditional Christmas fare — turkey, roast beef, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn and, adding a splash of local flavor, pineapple.


Some of them were joined by their families. Many appeared to be in their early 20s at most. Others were elderly, perhaps retired from the military.


The president-elect stopped to talk for as long as a minute at some tables. He nodded and placed both of his hands on his hips as he listened. He posed for photos.


"Hey guys," Obama said to a table. "Where are you from?"


ESPN's NFL highlights played in the background on about ten flat screen TVs hanging throughout the long, rectangular room.


As Obama approached another table of four young men, one of them had a newspaper clipping for him to sign. The president-elect appeared to inquire where each hailed from as well. "So this is the East Coast table," he said as he shook one of their hands.


Reporters were only allowed inside the mess hall for seven of the 68 minutes Obama spent greeting diners there. During that time they were clustered at a distance from the president-elect and could only hear bits and pieces of the conversations he was having at the tables.


But the service men and women seemed to enjoy having Obama crash their Christmas dinner — even though he didn’t eat.


Some seemed to be sending text messages from their cell phones when it became clear Obama was about to enter the room. They rose to their feet when Obama approached their tables and extended his hand.


"Congratulations," one of the service members said as Obama greeted his table.


One elderly woman with two orange leis hanging from her wrist stood up briefly when it seemed the president-elect was coming toward her table. But she sat back down when he went to a different one


Meanwhile, a crowd of about 50 people waited for the president-elect outside the mess hall, where a red sign on the wall listed holiday hours as 15:00 - 17:00.


Obama was speaking with two men in uniform as he left the hall around 5:15 p.m. He waved to the people who had gathered and said hello before heading back to his vacation home for his own family Christmas dinner.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2010, 04:02:18 AM »
There is no hope for you Weckhog, I guess you have had to much of the kool-aid. You would rather believe left wing propaganda than your own eyes.
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2010, 04:03:12 AM »
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The president-elect stopped to talk for as long as a minute at some tables.



WOW, a whole minute, I bet the guys were impressed. Can anybody say photo op???
What was the purpose of this post???? He wanted his pictire taken, so what?? I bet he never ONCE mentioned Christmas, only the holiday. He cares about our military so much he voted to withhold ammo and supplies to force them to quit fighting, he instituted a cowards medal if they withheld fire when fired upon, He has basically tied their hands to keep them from victory. YEP wreckhog, your osama is a great man. Bet you'll vote for him again. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2010, 05:13:29 AM »
Lets see.....what am I missing here? The last I knew our constitution gave people in our country the freedom of religion and I don't remember it saying only if you liked or believed in that religion. Like it or not if the building is built with all the legal permits, etc. and you are a believer in the constitution how can it be stopped? Obama said that he supported their constitutional right to build at that location, not that he agreed with it being a good thing to do. Does the constitutional protection only apply to the Christian religion? Inquiring minds want to know.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2010, 06:18:01 AM »
I don't believe anyone is disputing the right to build.  However, if Muslims are interested in building better relations with their neighbors; then how wise is it to build this mosque/cultural center that close to ground zero?  The proof lies in the fact that Governor Patterson offered assistance for them to chose just about any other location, and was flatly rejected.  This speaks to their indifference when it comes to the feelings of the victims families, and respect for their adoptive country.

President Obama continues to display how inept he is at leadership and even politics now that he is in office.  He could have easily said what he said on Friday night, and followed it up by speaking to maintaining respect for the site and asking Islamic leaders he was hosting to show their understanding and build somewhere else other than lower Manhattan.  He did not help his cause either when he cancelled the National Day of Prayer, but hosts a dinner celebrating the beginning of Ramadan. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2010, 06:34:46 AM »
Lets see.....what am I missing here? The last I knew our constitution gave people in our country the freedom of religion and I don't remember it saying only if you liked or believed in that religion. Like it or not if the building is built with all the legal permits, etc. and you are a believer in the constitution how can it be stopped? Obama said that he supported their constitutional right to build at that location, not that he agreed with it being a good thing to do. Does the constitutional protection only apply to the Christian religion? Inquiring minds want to know.
GuzziJohn

Hmmm.....he is throwing the weight of the office of the President of the United States behind a particular religion.  How is that not "establishing" a religion as the left usually claims any hint of an official favoring any Christian religion (to the point of a member of a city council being forced to apologize for saying 'God Bless You" when someone sneezed during a meeting)?  If you want to look to someone being denied, look at the NINE YEARS of stonewalling that St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church has been subjected to.  The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese has owned the property since the 1920s or -30s.  But has been blocked from rebuilding the church that was destroyed.  And then the Port Authority has the gall to offer them land over the vehicle bomb screening facility. 

Also, why is it that Americans are expected to bend over backwards to keep from offending the sensibilities of every other culture, no matter where, but no one else is expected to give a fart in a tornado about the sensibilities of Americans?  In fact, Americans are accused of being racist, intolerant, and hateful if they dare to bring up their feeling offended by something. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2010, 07:19:27 AM »
The Godless ones want a monument to their victory over America,  plain and simple. I personally don't give a hoot about muslims rights,  it's not like they assimilate or even want to be Americans, they don't. Somehow, somewhere, right and wrong need to take precedent over LEGAL. There are a lot of things that are legal, but still wrong. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2010, 07:40:56 AM »
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The Godless ones want a monument to their victory over America,  plain and simple. I personally don't give a hoot about muslims rights,  it's not like they assimilate or even want to be Americans, they don't. Somehow, somewhere, right and wrong need to take precedent over LEGAL. There are a lot of things that are legal, but still wrong. POWDERMAN.

Talk about a slippery slope. I am quite sure in many Muslim's minds we are wrong and they are right. In your mind is right and wrong then determined by who is in power? Many people on this board have complained that Obama and other democrats ignore or want to change the constitution and see that as terrible but apparently it is okay for the constitution to be changed to fit your all opinions. Talk about two face.
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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2010, 07:46:31 AM »
obamamajama is a muslim usurper. This surprises you?

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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2010, 10:41:02 AM »
Lets see.....what am I missing here? The last I knew our constitution gave people in our country the freedom of religion and I don't remember it saying only if you liked or believed in that religion. Like it or not if the building is built with all the legal permits, etc. and you are a believer in the constitution how can it be stopped? Obama said that he supported their constitutional right to build at that location, not that he agreed with it being a good thing to do.

Guzzijohn makes good points, here.

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Does the constitutional protection only apply to the Christian religion?
It's not supposed to work that way, no. But people being people - even Christian people - folks will advocate selection application of freedoms.

I submit that the Golden Rule is a good one.

Re: the idea that anywhere in lower Manhatten is 'hallowed ground' - check this out: stuff that is the same distance from Ground Zero, as this proposed Cordoba house building:
http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2010, 11:46:50 AM »
There's nothing hallowed around 51 Park PL or in the old Burlington Coat factory Store, which has a mosque in it already and is 2.5 blocks north of the GZ ground...the muzzie cultural center should fit right in....arcade, shopping mall, restaurants (mmmm...lamb cabobs), auditorium, theatre, rooms, meeting center.

What the islamophobes want is selective thinking...'selective' application of the Constitution, 'selective' application the separation of church and state principle, 'selective' regard of religions; as well as 'selective' as to who can build there. Their 'selection' for the hallowed ground would be glass and concrete temples for the money changers....now that would be Ok and peachy.

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How is it "separation of church and state" (a concept not in the Constitution, by the way) for the POTUS to actively work for the establishment of a house of worship for a particular religion?  Please walk us through that.  Especially in light of things like claims that a member of a city council saying "God Bless you" to someone who sneezed during a meeting is somehow "establishing" a state religion?  And the ACLU backing that claim and forcing an apology. 

And, how can you not call the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese being prevented from rebuilding a church that was destroyed in the WTC attack constitutional?  The State of NY has stonewalled attempts to rebuild on land owned by the GOA.  How is that legal?  Seems like the kind of government intrusion into religion that is banned by the Constitution.  And then, adding insult to injury, those same government officials who are blocking the rebuilding of a Christian church, trying to fast track the building of a mosque and islamic indoctrination center. 
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Re: Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2010, 11:51:03 AM »
Maybe there should be the unwritten rule of  "mutual recognition and respect."
when Mecca opens it's doors/city to...say a Luthren church...we can rethink think things maybe...?
Can't think of any place else where no other sanctuary of any world religion is closed to members of different creeds besides Mecca off the top of my head.
Might be against the law to even build a church in Saudi Arabia.  I bet it is...might have to check.

In a traditional Islamic country, adherents of different religions who refuse to accept Muhammad as their prophet have to live a life with restrictions and special rules. They are the so-called “dhimmis” — people who believe in a single God but who should be treated with special restrictions because of their refusal to follow the prophet Muhammad.  Since Reciprocity would be like a denial of Allah’s word, I guess it's no deal though...we have to give in, they don't.  

I really think there are times when we should be able to tell them to get lost....this might be one of those times.  They want to control us, without them giving an inch....and I guess in order to show the world that "WE" are above it all...we always give in to everyone and everybody.

Actually...our leaders give in to all this...most of the American people are tired of kissing butts...I know I am.

If it were my call and I were in charge of it all...I'd tell them a mosque could be built there when a Luthren church goes up in Mecca and a few other places, till then, see ya later.  Now this would be considered wrong in may people's eyes...to that I'd say...yep...maybe it is...too bad.   Reciprocity....kind of like CCW permits...you don't recognize ours, we don't recognize yours either.  Sound fair?