Build mosque at ground zero? ..Obama would be delighted!

[jimster]

Jimster...the difference is that here in the USA we are a democratic Republic with established guarantees and legalities governing freedom of worship and non-interference to do just that. Saudi Arabia is a theocratic monarchy, and they make no false pretentions that the State religion is islam and that's all there is to it in theocracies. We don't do that...right?

 

Seems to me our government and a lot of people get freedom FROM religion mixed up with freedom OF religion...that's how I see it in a lot of places these days. You have to remember....there are lots of people these days that are interfering with a lot of things by simply twisting the constitution around.

So what the heck...let's twist it some too...it's already twisted up so bad we won't ever get it back anyways.
We should have raised more heck many many years ago when they started twisting the constitution, too far gone now....

We don't do that...right?

We have done it all over the years...and crapped on our founding fathers in the process, nothing is sacred anymore, why pretend the constitution is in tact?
Sooner or later it all boils down to powder and bullets anyways....the republic is almost gone now. That leaves us with just a democracy....we know where that leads don't we?

 

[subdjoe]

There's nothing hallowed around 51 Park PL or in the old Burlington Coat factory Store, which has a mosque in it already and is 2.5 blocks north of the GZ ground...the muzzie cultural center should fit right in....arcade, shopping mall, restaurants (mmmm...lamb cabobs), auditorium, theatre, rooms, meeting center.

What the islamophobes want is selective thinking...'selective' application of the Constitution, 'selective' application the separation of church and state principle, 'selective' regard of religions; as well as 'selective' as to who can build there. Their 'selection' for the hallowed ground would be glass and concrete temples for the money changers....now that would be Ok and peachy.

..TM7
.

How is it "separation of church and state" (a concept not in the Constitution, by the way) for the POTUS to actively work for the establishment of a house of worship for a particular religion?  Please walk us through that.  Especially in light of things like claims that a member of a city council saying "God Bless you" to someone who sneezed during a meeting is somehow "establishing" a state religion?  And the ACLU backing that claim and forcing an apologyWhat is in the Consitution is the 1st Amendment, and a heritage of separation of church and state as per the 1st amendment...the government and private groups are not to trifle with ones right to worship...that includes islamophobes who insist on a state religion of judaeo-christianity,,,and that is what BHO, Bloomberg, Cuomo, and various polticians are sayin in opposition to the islamophobes like Sarah Palin that need 'islamophobia' in order to carry on GWOT and cover for the 911 conspiracy,,,essentially attempting to weaponize islam. Why not weaponize Catholicism at the same time since Hitler was born a Catholic and there might be some latent nazies floating around?  . 

How are they being prevented from worshiping?  Per your arguments, any zoning laws that prevent a house of worship from being built anywhere violate the "separation of church and state."  By the way, Jefferson used that phrase to indicate that the government would not inject itself into the religious life of We the People.  You, and other apologists, set up a nice straw red herring by claiming that somehow moslems are being prevented from exercising their religious freedom by people not wanting a mosque at this particular place.  They have been offered land and fast tracking at other locations, but they have said no, only here can we build our mosque.  Seems like they have an agenda from which they will not deviate.

And, how can you not call the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese being prevented from rebuilding a church that was destroyed in the WTC attack constitutional?  The State of NY has stonewalled attempts to rebuild on land owned by the GOA.  How is that legal?  Seems like the kind of government intrusion into religion that is banned by the Constitution.  And then, adding insult to injury, those same government officials who are blocking the rebuilding of a Christian church, trying to fast track the building of a mosque and islamic indoctrination center.You seem to be trying to get the St Nicholas Church problem to stick on me...YES as I have said,,,by the same application of democracy the GOA have a right to rebuild and maintain their Church...GOT THAT?  Now, give us the link for the GOA's problems so we can study their problem...thanx.

So, where is your freaking outrage over that bit of discrimination?  Why are you not outraged at POTUS establishing Islam by pushing the mosque but allowing the Orthodox Christians to be stonewalled?  


You can't figure out how to google "St. Nicholas Ground Zero" eh?

Here, I'll do some of your work for you:


http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/08/13/rebuild-st-nicholas-church-at-ground-zero-not-a-mosque/

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38462

From that one:  

The Port Authority agreed to give the church a parcel of land at Liberty and Greenwich Streets, and contribute $20 million toward construction of a new sanctuary. The Port Authority also agreed to build an explosion-proof platform and foundation for the new church building, which would sit on top of a screening area for cars and trucks entering the underground garages at the new World Trade Center.

Trouble emerged after St. Nicholas announced its plans to build a traditional Greek Orthodox church building, 24,000 square feet in size, topped with a grand dome. Port Authority officials told the church to cut back the size of the building and the height of the proposed dome, limiting it to rising no higher than the World Trade Center memorial. The deal fell apart for goodin March 2009, when the Port Authority abruptly ended the talks after refusing to allow church officials to review plans for the garage and screening area underneath. Sixteen months later, the two sides have still not met to resume negotiations.

St. Nicholas Church’s difficulty in getting approvals to rebuild stands in stark contrast to the treatment that the developers of the proposed Cordoba mosque have received. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, state Atty. Gen. Andrew Cuomo, and a raft of city officials have all come out publicly in favor of building the mosque, and the city’s Landmarks and Preservation Commission recently voted unanimously to deny protection to the building currently occupying the site where the mosque is to be built.

The mosque is proposed to rise 13 stories, far above the height of the World Trade Center memorial, with no height restrictions imposed.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rebuild-St-Nicholas-Church-at-Ground-Zero-First/140818779283318?ref=ts&v=wall

Help promote the rebuilding of St. Nicholas Church, the only House of Worship destroyed at Ground Zero.

http://american3p.org/?p=1162

http://www.greekboston.com/wordpress/2010/08/greek-orthodox-church-or-mosque-ground-zero/

http://1389blog.com/2010/08/13/rebuild-st-nicholas-church-at-ground-zero-not-a-mosque/

The outrage is over the blatant pro-islam, anti-Christian discrimination in the situation.  

Yes, there are some blogs, but they have links to articles.  [/color]


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Jimster...the difference is that here in the USA we are a democratic Republic with established guarantees and legalities governing freedom of worship and non-interference to do just that. Saudi Arabia is a theocratic monarchy, and they make no false pretentions that the State religion is islam and that's all there is to it in theocracies. We don't do that...right?   However there are numerous Churches in arab countries...the Church of St John the Bapitist is maintained by muzzies; and then there is the wonderful St Catherine Monastery and Chapel in Egypt's Sinai...wherein is a treasure trove of elite and rare Christian manuscripts protected from the Prots, ZOGs and reformers.

..TM7
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[jimster]

Why are you not outraged at POTUS establishing Islam by pushing the mosque but allowing the Orthodox Christians to be stonewalled?

The outrage is over the blatant pro-islam, anti-Christian discrimination in the situation.

And that is what you call "finagling" the entire system of laws at all levels of government, county, state, and federal....to get to a certain pre-determined point. They over look as many laws as they can, or twist em all up...so they can say they stuck to a real big law (freedom of religion)....hey just had to break a whole bunch of rules to get there is all...discrimination is no biggy compared to the real big law....
Your right on subdjoe....

That's why the constitution is in shambles, twisted or stepped over..to get to a pre-determined point...

And I guess that's my point!

[powderman]

To allow the Godless ones to build a shrine, or monument, to celebrate the murders of 3,000 innocent Americans is WRONG. Thats what it is, a feather in their cap. If it gets built I hope to see it surrounded by gay bars, strip joints, porno theatres, adult book stores, hot dog stands, and bbq joints. I'd also like to see the city test their emergency sirens as the Godless ones call to serve satan goes out 5 times a day. Wouldn't hurt to have a butcher shop or 2. I see that right and wrong don't mean much here. Murdering babies and calling it birth control, or womans choice is legal too, but certainly WRONG, very WRONG. Seems to be no respect for the dead or their families here, just another slap in the face.  POWDERMAN.  

[bremraf]

To allow the Godless ones to build a shrine, or monument, to celebrate the murders of 3,000 innocent Americans is WRONG. Thats what it is, a feather in their cap. If it gets built I hope to see it surrounded by gay bars, strip joints, porno theatres, adult book stores, hot dog stands, and bbq joints. I'd also like to see the city test their emergency sirens as the Godless ones call to serve satan goes out 5 times a day. Wouldn't hurt to have a butcher shop or 2. I see that right and wrong don't mean much here. Murdering babies and calling it birth control, or womans choice is legal too, but certainly WRONG, very WRONG. Seems to be no respect for the dead or their families here, just another slap in the face.  POWDERMAN.  

Amen Powderman, Amen!

[DDZ]

To allow the Godless ones to build a shrine, or monument, to celebrate the murders of 3,000 innocent Americans is WRONG. Thats what it is, a feather in their cap. If it gets built I hope to see it surrounded by gay bars, strip joints, porno theatres, adult book stores, hot dog stands, and bbq joints. I'd also like to see the city test their emergency sirens as the Godless ones call to serve satan goes out 5 times a day. Wouldn't hurt to have a butcher shop or 2. I see that right and wrong don't mean much here. Murdering babies and calling it birth control, or womans choice is legal too, but certainly WRONG, very WRONG. Seems to be no respect for the dead or their families here, just another slap in the face.  POWDERMAN.  

I'll second that Amen.

The debate shouldn't be about whether the Constitution allows for a mosque to be built where they want to build it, but whether it should be. 

Obama said that Islam has always been a part of America's story. I don't recall any Muslim names on our founding documents, or any Muslims that fought for freedom from England. No Muslims in the civil war either. I don't think any Muslims were involved in the movement for civil rights. Where were they during World war two? They were aligning themselves with Hitler and giving support for killing Jews.
Where were they on Sept 11 2001?  if they were not flying planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing 3,000 people, they were rejoicing in the streets in the middle east. How about the Muslims that lived here enjoying America's freedoms? They were silent after 9/11. By being silent, does that not show their approval? How about the slaughter of our soldiers by a Muslim psychiatrist that was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan. What a great Muslim heritage they have here in America.
 Hard to believe that so many think its ok if they build a mosque where they destroyed buildings and killed 3,000 people. Of coarse we voted in a Muslim for President, so I can see how so many could care less if a mosque went up where they destroyed the Trade Centers.
 Islam is our enemy, if you don't realize that now, you eventually will.         

[ironglow]

TM;
  You just have got to quit that stuff..You figure you need a Marine combat veteran to back up your argument; so then, passing up thousands of Marine combat veterans who are rational..you find just the one...the one who is ready for the looney bin!
  I do give him credit for his service...but something has tragic happened to him since! How is his qualification for 100% disability described?
       I know dozens of Marine combat veterans, in fact our post commander is a Marine veteran of Vietnam. None of those veterans seem to hate and distrust their own country as Duff does..nor do they act as shills and hacks for the DNC..as Duff does. How smart is the following stream of vitriol and hatred ?
   http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/09/13/klan-rally-in-washington-no-sheets-allowed/
     Reading Duff is like reading the most warped, confused and bitter description of the United States we all know...and he sponsors a whole raft of "journalists"...of the "tinfoil hat" variety...I'll let the guys here check him out

  As far as his veteran status being giving him extra stature...remember, Benedict Arnold was a great military hero...until...

[ironglow]

  For the ones here...here's Gordon duff's latest attempt at discrediting the US...as it appears on his blog. How rational is he?

  http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/gordon-duff-stage-being-set-for-%E2%80%9Cdirty-bomb%E2%80%9D-false-flag-nuclear-detonation-in-a-us-city-times-square-bomb-hoax-israeli-intel-group-shows-it%E2%80%99s-hand/

[Oldshooter]

Seems obama is all about freedom of religion as long as its the religion he is interested in.

"Contrast that with his views toward Christians. During his presidential campaign, a hidden microphone captured candidate Obama deriding heartland voters who didn’t embrace his hope and change message as bitter Christians clinging to “guns and God.” Might that have been an apt description of many of the Muslims worldwide to whom he spent so much time apologizing?"  Michael Berry, KTRH radio , Houston Texas

[powderman]

What if the japs want to build a shrine at Pearl harbor to commemorate their victory there? I reckon for some of you it would be ok for the mexicans to build a shrine to honor their victory at the Alamo too. I too remember seeing the Godless ones dancing in the street right here in several American cities, celebrating their victory. Shame on some of you. POWDERMAN.  

[wreckhog]

What if the Jews built a country in the Middle East?

[powderman]

What if the Jews built a country in the Middle East?

Why not??? Most of it belongs to them anyway. The day will come when Israel retakes all that God gave them. I hope I live long enough to see it. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

What if the japs want to build a shrine at Pearl harbor to commemorate their victory there? I reckon for some of you it would be ok for the mexicans to build a shrine to honor their victory at the Alamo too. I too remember seeing the Godless ones dancing in the street right here in several American cities, celebrating their victory. Shame on some of you. POWDERMAN.  

Those were actually Jews. Google 9/11 dancing Israelis. They were dancing in NJ.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisraelis.html

[Oldshooter]

What if the Jews built a country in the Middle East?

Are you a troll or just stupid?

Any American that doesn't see the absolute in your face tactic that is being played out in NYC is not much of an American as far as I can see.

Why is it that Muslims whine about freedom of religion and NO where in the world do Muslims even allow other faiths to practice where they have power! How a bout a Christian church in Iran or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, or Lebanon, or Egypt, or Kuwait, or Syria. they cheer when the towers of the WTC fell and you ask such mamby pamby questions.  



According to the traditionalist view, the Qur'an began with revelations on Muhammad's divine revelations in AD 610, a few years after Judism and Moses started the Jewish faith. so maybe the Muzzies are the interlopers in the middle east.

[wreckhog]

maybe the Muzzies are the interlopers in the middle east.

You aren't one of those that wants to give America back to the Indians are you?

[powderman]

Those were actually Jews. Google 9/11 dancing Israelis. They were dancing in NJ.



What a totally ignorant thing to say. Are you and tm twins??? I know what I saw and who was doing the dancing. Everybody in the world saw it, except you and tm. I remember that day well. I remember seeing folks jumping to their death to keep from burning alive. I remember seeing the rescuers walking around picking up body parts. I can imagine the screams of the dying, the stench of burning flesh. I also remember seeing the Godless ones dancing and celebrating their victory over America, right here in OUR own cities, they should have been shot on site. You would bring shame and disrespect to all those who died and their families. After all that, you seem to be more worried about offending the Godless ones and their rights over real Americans. Shame on you. POWDERMAN. 

[Oldshooter]

maybe the Muzzies are the interlopers in the middle east.

You aren't one of those that wants to give America back to the Indians are you?

So you are a troll!

Frankly if "we" dont  do something about the invasion of illegals and others that want to make this country a third world cesspool. We will loose it just like the Indians did and deservedly so! We may have already started that transition. I will have the satisfaction of knowing that leftist like yourself will be killing and eating each other when it happens.

[FourBee]

My read of a mosque at ground zero = a permanent mark to America of " In Your FACE America !; and you can't do anything about it . "  There'll be dancing in the streets throuhout the muslim world as they did on 9/11.   That type of Landmark in America says ---- " alla is GREATER than your Almighty God " as chanted by them in unison.   Do you have a feeling that America is being JUDGED ?

[wreckhog]

maybe the Muzzies are the interlopers in the middle east.

You aren't one of those that wants to give America back to the Indians are you?

So you are a troll!

Frankly if "we" dont  do something about the invasion of illegals and others that want to make this country a third world cesspool. We will loose it just like the Indians did and deservedly so! We may have already started that transition. I will have the satisfaction of knowing that leftist like yourself will be killing and eating each other when it happens.

I'd bet on that not happening.

[wreckhog]

Who supports a Ground Zero mosque? A jew, yep, that's rightttttttt!

http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0816/Ground-Zero-mosque-cancellation-would-be-sad-day-says-Mayor-Bloomberg

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=447

[powderman]

FOURBEE. Excellent post Sir, all true. I'm glad there are still Americans here. I asked wreckhog if he was tms twin, his silence speaks for itself. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

 TM7 says;
   "When you look at all that is wrong with this country..you simply cannot blame islamics at all as you do for some reason. Your enemy is somebody else and far more smarter and insiduous. Wake up and smell the coffee".



Ironglow replies;
         Hey TM;  we just may be getting somewhere! Matter of fact, I don't think the Islamics are the worst enemy we face right now!
    ...And yes, this enemy is more secretive and insidious than the Islamofacists. This enemy is more dishonest and treacherous than Al Queda. This enemy is doing it's utmost to destroy our way of life, our heritage, our Constitution and put us all into slavery. This enemy has been attacking our guns, religious freedom, Bill of Rights and any wages we earn.
   This furtive, clandestine, schemeing and treacherous enemy who wants to destroy our country is the "Progressive" movement. This enemy (IMO) is best represented by the Obamas and the current administration and all the "progressives" who have hung on until they finally have a like minded C-in-C; one who will work every devious method to destroy the great America we have had for well over 200 years. Let's look at some "progressive" names..N. Pelosi, H. Reid, H clinton, J Jackson, B Boxer, B Frank, C Dodd, P Stark, H Deane, M Waters, C Schumer, P Murray, E Holder for starters, along with a pantheon of "progressives" and every single "Czar" the prez attempted to appoint...all working to relieve us of our rights and liberty.
   It may come as a surprise to you, but I don't think ALL Muslims are out to destroy us. I think there is a small number who would really like to "live and let live", but they are overwhelmed by the majority; who believe elsewise.
    
      ....Nevertheless, I am pleased to see that you and I can agree on something; namely that there DOES EXIST, a plot to undermine and destroy our nation and way of life, replacing it with a world-wide despotic regime.
   I am however, dismayed that you have not been attacking this obvious enemy who presents such a "clear and present danger". I do not recall you even pointing out the schemes of the "progressive underground".. who recently has crawled out of that hole to emerge above the ground..into plain sight. I cannot recall you even mentioning the underhanded tricks played by Obama, Reid, Holder, Clinton, Frank, Waters or any of the other progressive plotters against our freedoms.
  Now at last, we can go a bit easier on the Muslims and place the spotlight on the real enemy..thanks for joining in...
    

[bigMikeA]

Excellent post IG.

[ironglow]

 ....And  The latest from the "progressives"..(actually regressives..back to the Communist revolution)

   http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/114569-obama-boasts-of-most-progressive-accomplishments-in-decades?page=2#comments

[powderman]

there is actually so much in common; including an adoration and defense of Jesus and Mary against those that would descredit.



tm. Another falsehood. They hold NONE of the teachings of Jesus as Holy. Their goal is the destruction of ALL that Jesus Christ ever taught, or built. Don't include Jesus in your death cult tm, he doesn't fit in anywhere. POWDERMAN. 

[Oldshooter]

Here is what the Canadian muslim congress thinks about the Mosque in New York;

In a letter to Imam Faisal Rauf that will be delivered on Tuesday, August 10 by MCC's board member Raheel Raza, the MCC says, "Many Muslims suspect that the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation, to thumb our noses at the 'infidel.' We believe the proposal has been made in bad faith and, in Islamic parlance, is creating  'fitna,' meaning 'mischief-making,' an act clearly forbidden in the Qur'an."

"The Qur'an commands us Muslims to, 'Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book' -- i.e., Jews and Christians [chapter 29, verse 46]. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers, is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna," the letter added.

Seems there may be some Muslims that are worth their Qurans. At least they are calling a a "fitna" a "fitna"




Definition: The word fitna comes from an Arabic verb which means to "seduce, tempt, or lure." There are many shades of meaning, mostly referring to a feeling of disorder or unrest.
Variations of the word fitna are found throughout the Qur'an to describe the trials and temptations that may face the believers. The term has also been used to describe divisions which occurred in the early years of the Muslim community.

In modern usage, it is used to describe forces that cause controversy, fragmentation, scandal, chaos, or discord within the Muslim community, disturbing social peace and order.

Pronunciation: fit'-nah

[subdjoe]

A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?
Monday 16 August 2010
By Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid

US President Barack Obama adopted a difficult position when he supported the building of a mosque near ground zero, where 3,000 US citizens died at the hands of Al-Qaeda terrorists on 11 September 2001.
Despite the fact that the president adopted the correct stance in principle, i.e. the principle of freedom of worship, in my opinion he adopted an unnecessary and unimportant stance, even as far as Muslims are concerned. The mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they are not bothered by its construction.
This reminds us of another principled stance Obama took when he insisted on putting the Guantanamo prisoners accused of belonging to Al-Qaeda on trial before civilian courts, and on closing down the military prison. It is true that this stance deserves appreciation. However, the fact is that he fought a battle that does not concern Muslims across the world, because there are tens of thousands of Muslims - similar to those accused of extremism - who are imprisoned in worse conditions in Muslim countries.
Muslims do not aspire for a mosque next to the 11 September cemetery, and are not bothered with Bin Ladin's cook being put on trial in a civilian court. Muslims have issues that encroach upon the destinies of nations; these issues are the cause of isolation and calamity, such as the establishment of the State of Palestine. For Obama to focus his energy and efforts, and fight for the establishment of peace in the Middle East is more important and more valuable than a mosque in New York.
The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!
Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!
I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district. Is there a side that is committed to this mosque? The fact is that in the news reports there are names linked to this project that costs 100 million dollars!
The sides enthusiastic for building the mosque might be building companies, architect houses, or politicized groups that want suitable investments?! I do not know whether the building applicant wants a mosque whose aim is reconciliation, or he is an investor who wants quick profits. This is because the idea of the mosque specifically next to the destruction is not at all a clever deed. The last thing Muslims want today is to build just a religious center out of defiance to the others, or a symbolic mosque that people visit as a museum next to a cemetery.
What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries. Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam. I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.
It is the wrong battle, because originally there was no mosque in order to rebuild it, and there are no practicing Muslims who want a place in which to worship

The above from Asharq Al-Awsat

[yellowtail3]

Here is what the Canadian muslim congress thinks about the Mosque in New York;

In a letter to Imam Faisal Rauf that will be delivered on Tuesday, August 10 by MCC's board member Raheel Raza, the MCC says, "Many Muslims suspect that the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation, to thumb our noses at the 'infidel.' We believe the proposal has been made in bad faith and, in Islamic parlance, is creating  'fitna,' meaning 'mischief-making,' an act clearly forbidden in the Qur'an."

"The Qur'an commands us Muslims to, 'Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book' -- i.e., Jews and Christians [chapter 29, verse 46]. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers, is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna," the letter added.

Seems there may be some Muslims that are worth their Qurans. At least they are calling a a "fitna" a "fitna"

Interesting, but not particularly surprising; there are decent folk in all religions.

[Heather]

I for one believe these folks building this Mosque at Ground Zero is within their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AS AMERICAN CITIZENS!  The mindset that ONLY those who feel the same as you deserve FREEDOM is WHY WE ARE LOOSING MORE AND MORE EVERYDAY!  Using the logic that a Mosque can't be built where a Muslim supposedly committed a crime because it is in bad taste, then I could conclude that ANY church built where a Christian committed a crime should be in bad taste as well.  Well then take down almost all of the Churches then! 

Heather

[ironglow]

Actually, very few are claiming the Muslims have no right to build overlooking ground zero. actually, to the contrary..most admit they have the legal right, but question whether the Muslim principals involved are using good sense or sensitivity.
   These operators claim they want to be a "bridge" between Islam and the general population of the U.S., building trust and good relations.
  Frankly, starting out with a thumb jab in the eye doesn't sound like a good way to begin "building bridges of understanding".
  Building a mosque to overlook ground zero..is tantamount to building a Nazi shrine at the gates of Auschwitz, suspending a WW2 Japanese torpedo bomber over Pearl Harbor to look as it were bombing the Arizona...again....or erecting Klan offices next to Martrin Luther King centers.
  Perhaps legal in each case, but certainly not prudent or intellectually honest. Observing the Muslim actions of the past, it appears most likely, to be a "victory monument"..despite protests from an Imam who refuses to call Hamas a terrorist organization.

   The most comical thing about this circus are outfits like the ACLU and other leftist gangs and individuals...They who are always trying to force valedictorians and football players from praying, jail Christian abortion protestors on RICO charges, can't stomach a nativity scene and hate a cross standing alone, way out in the Mojave Desert.....are suddenly having spasms of conscience and are in the throes of madness over "freedom of religion"....