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« Reply #150 on: August 23, 2010, 07:28:55 PM »
Talmud, Koran, Sanhedrin, sharia, ...mere words

    We all know the kernel of the truth;  "Pay litle attention to what they say...  It's what they DO that counts".


     So let's cut the BS and each answer for ourselves..Just who is doing all the suicide bombing, "honor" killing, plane,train & bus destroying?
  Who is stoning "acccused" people to death? Who beheads their wife and puts numerous 9mm slugs into their teenage daughters?
  Who is doing the beheadings, grade school massacres..who destroyed 3,000 lives on 9/11 and are murdering in the name of their god all over the world, every day?

   No need to reply or try to spread more BS..we can each decide the answers for ourselves.
99.9 percent of the people Saddam killed were.......wait for it.........MUSLIMS. As are 99.9 percents of the victims of these acts you describe. It is what made him our ally. I forget, is killing Muslims good or bad? Is ironglow a MUSLIMLOVER?

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« Reply #151 on: August 23, 2010, 10:03:01 PM »
Talmud, Koran, Sanhedrin, sharia, ...mere words

    We all know the kernel of the truth;  "Pay litle attention to what they say...  It's what they DO that counts".


     So let's cut the BS and each answer for ourselves..Just who is doing all the suicide bombing, "honor" killing, plane,train & bus destroying?
  Who is stoning "acccused" people to death? Who beheads their wife and puts numerous 9mm slugs into their teenage daughters?
  Who is doing the beheadings, grade school massacres..who destroyed 3,000 lives on 9/11 and are murdering in the name of their god all over the world, every day?

   No need to reply or try to spread more BS..we can each decide the answers for ourselves.
99.9 percent of the people Saddam killed were.......wait for it.........MUSLIMS. As are 99.9 percents of the victims of these acts you describe. It is what made him our ally. I forget, is killing Muslims good or bad? Is ironglow a MUSLIMLOVER?

 Just like how two terrible wars in Europe were mostly fought by Christians. (even the Nazis who had their own crazy religion they made up,had an army composed mostly of Christians of various sorts) Does that mean that Christians are evil baby raping child killers? Over in Asia you see atrocities committed by Buddhists. In fact,the Samurai in Japan had a very detailed argument that put the blame for killing on their swords,rather than its weilder to reconcile their pacifistic religion with the killing they did. The reality is,people will do what they want,even though they know it is wrong and then rather than accept that they are evil people,not only when judged by "others" but even when judged by their own religion. They will then cherry pick what they want from their religion and use it to justify their acts. Christians do it. Muslims do it. Buddhists do it and so has every other religion since the dawn of time.

 I can say this with certainty. If history had gone a little differently and Mohammad's army had been lost in a sand storm on the way to Mecca and every one over there was part of some Christian sect,I doubt there would be much difference. They would still be killing each other. They would still use their religion to justify suicide bombings. The fact is,Jews, Christains and Muslims all have religions which are offshoots of the same religion. They actually share more in common than they differ on (including most of their holy texts) ,but they all focus on the differences and we have been killing each other over them for 2000 years.

 And no,Im not a "Muslim lover" or a closet Muslim or whatever. Im actually an evil godless atheist. I think its all fairy tales and superstition and stories to make children go to bed and night and eat their vegetables and the radical Muslims,as well as the wacko Christian far right,scare the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned,there is little difference between white supremacist "christian" so called "militia" (dont go off on me over that,those quotes are there for a reason) training on a compound in Montana and the wacko radical Muslim Taliban training in their camps on the Pakistani border. I really dont care whether you want to kill people for Muhammad or Jesus. Most people however,Muslim or Christian,dont want to kill anyone. They want a roof over their heads, food on their table, to be free from the fear of being shot dead walking down the street becuase some idiot didn't agree with (or thought you didn't agree with him) the way you thought the world should be, and maybe if they are lucky a little money and a little free time to relax with. It doesn't matter where you live,those are the basic things that most people want,food shelter and security. The rest is just details,except when you get too the lunatic fringe,then its something they want to kill you over. The key however is,they ARE the lunatic fringe.

(Mind you,all that changes when you come to someones country with guns for however good or bad of reason,it really does not matter,but that's a different argument for a different day)

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« Reply #152 on: August 24, 2010, 02:16:10 AM »
There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see...
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« Reply #153 on: August 24, 2010, 04:33:41 AM »
Two good post #168 and #170, mrussel........................

Selective cognition in practice

Cognitive dissonance operative

Politizing simple things

Selective Constitutional intepretation and infringement concept

Endless religious rivalry

Perpetual war with religion as a backdrop curtain

Islamphobia lumping all moslems the same

Islamphobics complaining about islamics killing islamics... ???

Fear of investigation(s)

Media complicity

..............etc.,etc.,....all the sheople herding techniques in practice.

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« Reply #154 on: August 24, 2010, 05:32:50 AM »
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WWTJD....>what would Tom Jefferson do?

Send the Marines to end the nonsense (just like he did in Tripoli).
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« Reply #155 on: August 24, 2010, 05:46:15 AM »
Cassul do ya think TJ was part of the illuminnwobilderzio perpetual war machine? Old TM is just polishing up his act for the BBQ.
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« Reply #156 on: August 24, 2010, 06:07:51 AM »
Talmud, Koran, Sanhedrin, sharia, ...mere words

    We all know the kernel of the truth;  "Pay litle attention to what they say...  It's what they DO that counts".


     So let's cut the BS and each answer for ourselves..Just who is doing all the suicide bombing, "honor" killing, plane,train & bus destroying?
  Who is stoning "acccused" people to death? Who beheads their wife and puts numerous 9mm slugs into their teenage daughters?
  Who is doing the beheadings, grade school massacres..who destroyed 3,000 lives on 9/11 and are murdering in the name of their god all over the world, every day?

   No need to reply or try to spread more BS..we can each decide the answers for ourselves.
99.9 percent of the people Saddam killed were.......wait for it.........MUSLIMS. As are 99.9 percents of the victims of these acts you describe. It is what made him our ally. I forget, is killing Muslims good or bad? Is ironglow a MUSLIMLOVER?

  Again; although your last sentence shows your ignorance, I'll still answer you. As far as your sophomoric statement about Saddam killing Muslims..what is your point? Hitler killed lots of Germans, Mao killed millions of Chinese and Stalin killed millions Russians, that doesn't make any of them nice guys! Evil dictators are evil persons..it is practically a "job description" for dictatorsThat's the best I can do for you since you are talking in some kind of NWOilluminaticlubofRomebilderburgermasonic code language, which only conspiracy theorists employ.

   But tell us loud and clear..who is running amok through the world today, kiling in the name of their god? I doubt it is the Sanhedrin or the Bilderburgers. It's likely not Catholic priests who are shouting Ali Akbar!..just before they touch off the explosion. I also doubt it is the international Red cross..sputtering about the holy koran as the flash-bang occurs!
  just this morning, a stupidcide bomb went off at a hotel in Somalia; 15 dead ,many wounded..Can you strain your brain enough...and possibly take a wild guess to arrive at who perpetrated those murders?
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« Reply #157 on: August 24, 2010, 01:02:01 PM »
For those screaming "Crusades!" or "Nazis!' or whatever your favorite flavor of Christian bashing is, I challenge you to find passages similar to these in the New Testament commanding Christians to do similar things:

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4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.


8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land.



Koran 47:035
Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works...


5:51
“O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

4:74
“Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.”
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« Reply #158 on: August 24, 2010, 01:29:10 PM »
Now Joe don't try to confuse our resident antisemite with facts. I'm sure in some twisted way the Jews were behind these writings in the koran.


Sounds like they had a little protest today in New York over this terrorist monument. The networks failed to cover the nut jobs in the counter protest claiming that 9/11 was done by the Jews. TM were you in that crowd?
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« Reply #159 on: August 24, 2010, 02:48:41 PM »
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IG...The 3000yr Talmud is alive and well, better than ever with the blind help of the Fundies.



HEH. I been gone 4 days and 4 days ago tm was blaming the Jews, well guess what ????????HE STILL IS. Surprise surprise. What a riot. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #160 on: August 24, 2010, 05:44:53 PM »
7, did you bother to read, or did you just cut and paste a bunch of stuff around the exhortations to kill unbelievers?  All you posted confirms that unless people submit meekly to the mohammedeans, they should  be killed.  Unless they pay protection money, live as subjects with somewhat less rights than dogs, don't pass their faith on to their children, they are to be killed. 
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« Reply #161 on: August 24, 2010, 05:58:18 PM »
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Any guesses as to why no one has ever heard about Muslims praying at the Pentagon -- let alone cared?


I didn't know the Godless ones were praying there, but with osama I'm not surprised. I'd imagine it was kept quiet because our military men and women were ashamed that it happened, as they should be. Fundieislamicphobes??? POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #162 on: August 24, 2010, 06:51:02 PM »
Is there any president that isn't in bed with the saudies/muzzies? I don't care how long muzzies have been here. The muzzies are here to end the american way of life.The pukes burnt churches in yugoslavia, and given time they'll burn 'em here as well.

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« Reply #163 on: August 24, 2010, 09:51:46 PM »
Is there any president that isn't in bed with the saudies/muzzies? I don't care how long muzzies have been here. The muzzies are here to end the american way of life.The pukes burnt churches in yugoslavia, and given time they'll burn 'em here as well.

 Really? Because if every single one of them is really burning churches,whose pumping the oil?  You have made a logical error. It goes something like this "All dogs are german shepards" is not true. "All german shepards are dogs" IS true. Your faliacy is that you have just said that "The muslims burned churches in yugoslavia" Your mistake was that "Muslims burned churches in Yugoslavia" Its a subtle difference. The people that burned those churches were in fact muslims,but there are millions (actually,billions I think) of muslims that have never burned a church,nor do they want to.

 The fact is,its the same story we here for years. All protestants are x,all Catholics are y,all Muslims are z. It goes hand in hand with all blacks are criminals,all mexicans are lazy, and all irish are violent.  You have made it very clear what kind of person you are. Your the same kind of person that burns churches,and kills people because they dont agree with your "right thinking" world view,whatever that may be. It doenst matter if your a Christian or a Muslim or whatnot. Go ahead and rant all you want,but it wont change the fact that your part of the problem as much as the Islamic radicals or the nut-job white supremacist Christian "millita" types or any other of the dozens of radical terrorist groups that exist all over the world.

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« Reply #164 on: August 24, 2010, 10:12:06 PM »
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For those screaming "Crusades!" or "Nazis!' or whatever your favorite flavor of Christian bashing is, I challenge you to find passages similar to these in the New Testament commanding Christians to do similar things: Methinks you doth protest too much! As a Fundie you accept the OT as well and that makes you an israel firster, an islamaphobe. This would be all different if you indeed accepted the NT.  Now in a racist fit, you are misquoting/editing quranic verse to contextualize as you see fit...along the lines of Pam Geller and her boy friend ex-communist Spencer.  Let's take a closer look keeping in mind that most moslems are reformed not screaming fundamentalists...no what I mean?




 Why limit ourselves to just the New Testament? But here are some christian passages about killing the nonbeleivers.

Exodus 22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Deuteronomy 17:2-7 "And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. "

Leviticus 24:14-16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

Deteronomy 13:1-5 "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God"

Deteronomy 13:12-16 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit,

There are plenty of other offenses promoting other religions or being a false prophet that the Bible is very clear on. The penalty is death,sometimes for whole families or even entire cities. Before you start mouthing off,maybe you should actually READ the Bible. (Have you stoned any adulterers or homosexuals lately?)

 Theres some reasonable stuff in there. For instance,if you own an Ox (and presumably,it wouldn't really have to ONLY apply to Oxen,but for instance,you might have a pitbull) and it attacks and kills someone,the Bible says you should put the animal down. Thats very reasonable. It also says that if the animal had attacked someone before,and you knew about it and you failed to take the proscribed action of killing the animal,then YOU are responsible and should be put to death. While I think that's rather harsh,I agree completely with the sentiment that if you are negligent in your duty to stop a dangerous animal from killing again,then you are as responsible as if you had killed the victim yourself.
 On the other hand,the bible says that children who do not obey their parents should be put to death. Your 18 and your father does not like his daughters new boyfreind,so she tells him where he can go and moves in with him? He is perfectly 100% within his rights according to the Bible to kill her. (Sound familiar?) It also says that if a woman is caught cheating on her husband she should be pelted with heavy rocks until she dies from the broken bones and hemoraging from crushed and torn tissues. Theres a lot of crazy stuff in there that people conveniently choose to ignore because they know damn well that even though its printed in the bible,its just plain wrong.
 Muslims are no different. Most ignore the crazy stuff. Some,decide to try to take every word at face value and are every bit as loony as their Christian counterparts. The only real difference is that religious theocracies in the middle east and failed nations where the loonies turned out to be the only source of "order" (such that it was) allowed these loonies to attract enough followers and organize to such an extent that they are now a serious problem. In the western nations,such groups (usually with some crazy Christian derived philosophy,often with a health dose of racism thrown in) of crazies organize to a point,under the protection of free speech rights,which most western nations have to some extent,and then when they reach a certain critical size and cross certain legal lines,they get crushed and the movement never really takes hold at any nationally or internationally relevant level.



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« Reply #165 on: August 25, 2010, 07:34:20 AM »
Hmmm.....you seem to not understand that Christ freed us from the full rigor of Mosaic law.  Might I suggest that you take your own idea to heart and read the Bible, and learn some of the Traditions of the Church.

By the way, I'm decidedly NOT what most would consider a 'fundie.'  All too many of that sort ignore important points and inject un-Scriptural dogma into their belief system.  

But, nice citations from the OT.  Now, how about digging out NT text that mirrors the mohammedean exhortation to kill those who don't convert?


ADDED:  I'm also going to point out the use of the o, so tolerant hate speech typical of the left - "fundie" should be right there with "cracker" and "the N word" (gee...you can use the derogatory names for whites with impunity, but not the one for blacks)

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For those screaming "Crusades!" or "Nazis!' or whatever your favorite flavor of Christian bashing is, I challenge you to find passages similar to these in the New Testament commanding Christians to do similar things: Methinks you doth protest too much! As a Fundie you accept the OT as well and that makes you an israel firster, an islamaphobe. This would be all different if you indeed accepted the NT.  Now in a racist fit, you are misquoting/editing quranic verse to contextualize as you see fit...along the lines of Pam Geller and her boy friend ex-communist Spencer.  Let's take a closer look keeping in mind that most moslems are reformed not screaming fundamentalists...no what I mean?




 Why limit ourselves to just the New Testament? But here are some christian passages about killing the nonbeleivers.

Exodus 22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Deuteronomy 17:2-7 "And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. "

Leviticus 24:14-16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

Deteronomy 13:1-5 "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God"

Deteronomy 13:12-16 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit,

There are plenty of other offenses promoting other religions or being a false prophet that the Bible is very clear on. The penalty is death,sometimes for whole families or even entire cities. Before you start mouthing off,maybe you should actually READ the Bible. (Have you stoned any adulterers or homosexuals lately?)

 Theres some reasonable stuff in there. For instance,if you own an Ox (and presumably,it wouldn't really have to ONLY apply to Oxen,but for instance,you might have a pitbull) and it attacks and kills someone,the Bible says you should put the animal down. Thats very reasonable. It also says that if the animal had attacked someone before,and you knew about it and you failed to take the proscribed action of killing the animal,then YOU are responsible and should be put to death. While I think that's rather harsh,I agree completely with the sentiment that if you are negligent in your duty to stop a dangerous animal from killing again,then you are as responsible as if you had killed the victim yourself.
 On the other hand,the bible says that children who do not obey their parents should be put to death. Your 18 and your father does not like his daughters new boyfreind,so she tells him where he can go and moves in with him? He is perfectly 100% within his rights according to the Bible to kill her. (Sound familiar?) It also says that if a woman is caught cheating on her husband she should be pelted with heavy rocks until she dies from the broken bones and hemoraging from crushed and torn tissues. Theres a lot of crazy stuff in there that people conveniently choose to ignore because they know damn well that even though its printed in the bible,its just plain wrong.
 Muslims are no different. Most ignore the crazy stuff. Some,decide to try to take every word at face value and are every bit as loony as their Christian counterparts. The only real difference is that religious theocracies in the middle east and failed nations where the loonies turned out to be the only source of "order" (such that it was) allowed these loonies to attract enough followers and organize to such an extent that they are now a serious problem. In the western nations,such groups (usually with some crazy Christian derived philosophy,often with a health dose of racism thrown in) of crazies organize to a point,under the protection of free speech rights,which most western nations have to some extent,and then when they reach a certain critical size and cross certain legal lines,they get crushed and the movement never really takes hold at any nationally or internationally relevant level.



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« Reply #166 on: August 25, 2010, 08:11:20 AM »
Nicely done Joe.  A couple of the muslim sympathizers on here always have to go back a millenium or two or more to show how Christians are as bad or worse than the muslims.
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« Reply #167 on: August 25, 2010, 08:53:47 AM »
Is there any president that isn't in bed with the saudies/muzzies? I don't care how long muzzies have been here. The muzzies are here to end the american way of life.The pukes burnt churches in yugoslavia, and given time they'll burn 'em here as well.

 Really? Because if every single one of them is really burning churches,whose pumping the oil?  You have made a logical error. It goes something like this "All dogs are german shepards" is not true. "All german shepards are dogs" IS true. Your faliacy is that you have just said that "The muslims burned churches in yugoslavia" Your mistake was that "Muslims burned churches in Yugoslavia" Its a subtle difference. The people that burned those churches were in fact muslims,but there are millions (actually,billions I think) of muslims that have never burned a church,nor do they want to.

 The fact is,its the same story we here for years. All protestants are x,all Catholics are y,all Muslims are z. It goes hand in hand with all blacks are criminals,all mexicans are lazy, and all irish are violent.  You have made it very clear what kind of person you are. Your the same kind of person that burns churches,and kills people because they dont agree with your "right thinking" world view,whatever that may be. It doenst matter if your a Christian or a Muslim or whatnot. Go ahead and rant all you want,but it wont change the fact that your part of the problem as much as the Islamic radicals or the nut-job white supremacist Christian "millita" types or any other of the dozens of radical terrorist groups that exist all over the world.
   So then your intolerance of my views make you just as hatefull then? Or does your view and opinion only work one way. your way? Apparently you feel that anyone who disagrees with you should be in the same grouping of all  mexicans are lazy, and all irish are violent. Do your views come as radical to those who you have no stomach for?  All hail lord russel.

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« Reply #168 on: August 25, 2010, 10:07:07 AM »
What percentage of Muslims are terrorists? It has been documented that 3 percent of Catholic priests are child abusers and that 98 percent of Italian priests are gay. And that 100 percent of sorta black US presidents are Kenyan.

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« Reply #169 on: August 25, 2010, 10:17:13 AM »
It would seem that some muslims are terrorist but all terrorist are muslim. Some catholic priest are homosexual and some Italian priest are as well, and amazingly  some members of GBO are trolls.  ::)
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« Reply #170 on: August 25, 2010, 10:25:24 AM »
Well SUBJOE, since you're an adherent of the NT and multi-religion scholar, I want you to show me where Jesus said it is OK to kill muzzies, moslem women and children, to practice genocide, or to kill Palestinians.  After showing me that I want you to show me exactly where Jesus said believers are to worship jews and to adorate them. Then I want you to show me where the NT exactly says that jews alone are the inheritors of the Holy Land. After that tell me what Jesus meant in John 8:44 and what the story of the money changers was all about. And if you could explain how the Fundamentalists (i.e. Fundies), aka judaeo-christians separate themselves from the OT and Phareseism I will be listening.

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Exactly!  There are no exhortations to kill those who don't believe as you do in the NT.  Thank you for making my point.  There is a huge difference between a relatively small number of men misusing portions of the NT for their political reasons and a fair percentage of mohammedeans following the exhortations in his writings to kill those who don't convert to the religion he started.  One set misuses their Holy book, the other carries out its strictures. 

Again, thank you for making my point - that the muslim holy book commands its adherents to kill, kill, kill.  The New Testament does not. 
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« Reply #171 on: August 25, 2010, 10:31:59 AM »
*Sigh*

Well, this has been going on for 11 days and is no longer on topic.  Additionally, the same 5 people are simply saying the same 2 things over and over again.  Oh, and those same 5 people have opened 10 new threads in the Pot Bellied section so they can say the same 2 things over and over again.  There is a reason GB got rid of the religion section, and circular pissing matches like this is EXACTLY the reason.  You 5 guys can have this "conversation" by PM just as easily.  Bring it back to topic or it will be locked.  Try to consolidate similar threads or they will be deleted.  Come on people, you can do it!

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« Reply #172 on: August 25, 2010, 02:00:25 PM »
Duk. No big deal, just another thread of Americans vs muslims. I thought it was going quite well. We post facts and truths that certain people ignore, so we post ,more facts and truths, but we don't go back thousands of years into ancient history as some here do. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #173 on: August 25, 2010, 04:33:28 PM »
The only reason the filthy muslim vermin want to put this mosque there is because it is to be a monument to their sucess. I'm sure the parasites of America are lining up to sue on behalf of these filthy scum.
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BILLY. True, you can bet the A nti  C hristian  L iars  U nion will back the wrong side as usual. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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« Reply #175 on: August 25, 2010, 06:58:44 PM »
Is there any president that isn't in bed with the saudies/muzzies? I don't care how long muzzies have been here. The muzzies are here to end the american way of life.The pukes burnt churches in yugoslavia, and given time they'll burn 'em here as well.

 Really? Because if every single one of them is really burning churches,whose pumping the oil?  You have made a logical error. It goes something like this "All dogs are german shepards" is not true. "All german shepards are dogs" IS true. Your faliacy is that you have just said that "The muslims burned churches in yugoslavia" Your mistake was that "Muslims burned churches in Yugoslavia" Its a subtle difference. The people that burned those churches were in fact muslims,but there are millions (actually,billions I think) of muslims that have never burned a church,nor do they want to.

 The fact is,its the same story we here for years. All protestants are x,all Catholics are y,all Muslims are z. It goes hand in hand with all blacks are criminals,all mexicans are lazy, and all irish are violent.  You have made it very clear what kind of person you are. Your the same kind of person that burns churches,and kills people because they dont agree with your "right thinking" world view,whatever that may be. It doenst matter if your a Christian or a Muslim or whatnot. Go ahead and rant all you want,but it wont change the fact that your part of the problem as much as the Islamic radicals or the nut-job white supremacist Christian "millita" types or any other of the dozens of radical terrorist groups that exist all over the world.
   So then your intolerance of my views make you just as hatefull then? Or does your view and opinion only work one way. your way? Apparently you feel that anyone who disagrees with you should be in the same grouping of all  mexicans are lazy, and all irish are violent. Do your views come as radical to those who you have no stomach for?  All hail lord russel.

No,plenty of people disagree with me and I respect their viewpoint. It turns out that racists and hate mongers also agree with me and I DONT respect their viewpoints.

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« Reply #176 on: August 25, 2010, 07:14:31 PM »
Know what you mean, I don't respect the viewpoints of racist and hate mongers either.

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« Reply #177 on: August 26, 2010, 05:55:08 AM »
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For those screaming "Crusades!" or "Nazis!' or whatever your favorite flavor of Christian bashing is, I challenge you to find passages similar to these in the New Testament commanding Christians to do similar things: Methinks you doth protest too much! As a Fundie you accept the OT as well and that makes you an israel firster, an islamaphobe. This would be all different if you indeed accepted the NT.  Now in a racist fit, you are misquoting/editing quranic verse to contextualize as you see fit...along the lines of Pam Geller and her boy friend ex-communist Spencer.  Let's take a closer look keeping in mind that most moslems are reformed not screaming fundamentalists...no what I mean?




 Why limit ourselves to just the New Testament? But here are some christian passages about killing the nonbeleivers.

Exodus 22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Deuteronomy 17:2-7 "And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. "

Leviticus 24:14-16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

Deteronomy 13:1-5 "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God"

Deteronomy 13:12-16 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit,

There are plenty of other offenses promoting other religions or being a false prophet that the Bible is very clear on. The penalty is death,sometimes for whole families or even entire cities. Before you start mouthing off,maybe you should actually READ the Bible. (Have you stoned any adulterers or homosexuals lately?)

 Theres some reasonable stuff in there. For instance,if you own an Ox (and presumably,it wouldn't really have to ONLY apply to Oxen,but for instance,you might have a pitbull) and it attacks and kills someone,the Bible says you should put the animal down. Thats very reasonable. It also says that if the animal had attacked someone before,and you knew about it and you failed to take the proscribed action of killing the animal,then YOU are responsible and should be put to death. While I think that's rather harsh,I agree completely with the sentiment that if you are negligent in your duty to stop a dangerous animal from killing again,then you are as responsible as if you had killed the victim yourself.
 On the other hand,the bible says that children who do not obey their parents should be put to death. Your 18 and your father does not like his daughters new boyfreind,so she tells him where he can go and moves in with him? He is perfectly 100% within his rights according to the Bible to kill her. (Sound familiar?) It also says that if a woman is caught cheating on her husband she should be pelted with heavy rocks until she dies from the broken bones and hemoraging from crushed and torn tissues. Theres a lot of crazy stuff in there that people conveniently choose to ignore because they know damn well that even though its printed in the bible,its just plain wrong.
 Muslims are no different. Most ignore the crazy stuff. Some,decide to try to take every word at face value and are every bit as loony as their Christian counterparts. The only real difference is that religious theocracies in the middle east and failed nations where the loonies turned out to be the only source of "order" (such that it was) allowed these loonies to attract enough followers and organize to such an extent that they are now a serious problem. In the western nations,such groups (usually with some crazy Christian derived philosophy,often with a health dose of racism thrown in) of crazies organize to a point,under the protection of free speech rights,which most western nations have to some extent,and then when they reach a certain critical size and cross certain legal lines,they get crushed and the movement never really takes hold at any nationally or internationally relevant level.




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