Decriminalize drugs? `

[Dixie Dude]

I believe if any plant has medicinal purposes, it should be used for that purpose.  A gun is a tool.  It can be used for good or bad.  Same with plants.  Almost all our drugs were originally derived from some plant.  Modern methods make them synthetically.  For instance, the inside of willow bark is a pain reliever.  They found out what was in the willow bark, and thus made asprin synthetically. 

[beerbelly]

Same thing with marijuana and alcohol, and a couple of the other mid line drugs. 

I had you figgured for a dope head! All is right with the world if, you can get your dope!
                         Beerbelly

[ironglow]

My 'let them die before they breed' comment was probably a little harsh and should have been been specified to drug addicts and habitual users who let it dictate their lives.  Ya know the folks that only care about their next high and couldn't care less about their kids or anything else for that matter!



HEATHER. I don't see it as harsh at all. The folks you describe are of no value to society and contribute nothing. Every time I hear of a meth lab blowing up and killing the ones running it I figure the gene pool got a cleansing. Meth was rampant around here, families destroyed. Our county sheriff really clamped down. I'm sure it's still around but he really made a difference. POWDERMAN. 

   Hey PM;
  I understand you can tell the frequent meth users by their yellow tooth..the only tooth they still have!

[WylieKy]

Same thing with marijuana and alcohol, and a couple of the other mid line drugs. 

I had you figgured for a dope head! All is right with the world if, you can get your dope!
                         Beerbelly

It's a good thing pot makes people dumber.  Sometimes I have to smoke a bunch and reread your posts.  If I'm really, really, really high they almost make sense.

[williamlayton]

BB is not a natural born thinker but a regurgitaor of mindless tales he has been told.
Prejudiced is another word which comes to mind.
He doesn't want truth--that would take thinking.
It is alright to kill your brain with beer, however; that is the good ol boy way and American as apple pie.
Blessings

[Heather]

Same thing with marijuana and alcohol, and a couple of the other mid line drugs. 

I had you figgured for a dope head! All is right with the world if, you can get your dope!
                         Beerbelly

It's a good thing pot makes people dumber.  Sometimes I have to smoke a bunch and reread your posts.  If I'm really, really, really high they almost make sense.

HA!    Maybe that is my problem as to why some people on here make no no sense to me.  I just need to smoke!    You crack me up!

Heather

[Squib]

or wear headgear when you spar... burn 

[Pat/Rick]

Anymore, I don't care if they are decriminalized, legalized, or justmysized. I am on daily doses of morphine for mid to severe chronic pain. It stinks. The morphine that is, the pain is a pain ( ) as well. Using weed would take away the uncertainty of the days that the morphine makes me sick or not. Heck, maybe I'll ask doc for my weed card next visit. Probably less damaging than opiates.

[williamlayton]

In many instances the pain is the worst of evils compared to dependency.
Blessings

[beerbelly]

WylieKy you and WilliamLayton,  are not giving me credit for my tolerance here! I want them to legalize your dope! If you OD on it happy trails!
                           Beerbelly

[slim rem 7]

 make pot available in abc stores.. presto its no longer a gateway drug ..just a choice a person makes..never seen a man beat his wife while smokin pot,as i have when a fella was drunk..state gets revenue,, which would be a plus..
 my limit has in the past been beer wine an rum,mostly..also tobaco..smoked pot once ..it just wasn t something i enjoyed..no longer do anything but recently started smoking again [story is way too long to tell..]
 i ll quit again when im ready..soon i hope..the patch works great for me.. im just lonely as heck,at night..
 what was amazing to me was the very high percentage of nurses an cnas that smoked at the nurseing home,my wife was in..slim

[guzzijohn]

I found this interesting. Recently the DSM IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition) came out. In the section on drug addiction the gateway drug to harder drug use is not marijuana but tobacco. In my humble opinion the biggest danger with most drug use is the laws. Marijuana use, recreational use of cocaine, LSD, etc. has not disrupted productive lives near as much as the laws that caused them to be arrested and in many cases jailed. That is what ruined their productive life. I feel the most dangerous and addictive drugs are tobacco, alcohol, crack and meth. Those four drugs have caused more lost of life and ruined lives than all other drugs combined, hell could probably say that about alcohol only.
GuzziJohn

[slim rem 7]

good food for thought..but,,if none of us did anything [smoke ,drink etc],we be all like clones of each other ..none with thier own free will or choices..
 not saying smokes are good ..just that you have to leave somethings to personal choice..
 or you could just choose to have all things decided for you by the gov t..[right or left ],,its never worked in the past though..
 correction..i guess it did work for the handful of power mongers in control...but only for a relatively short while..
 aint it  great to live in the U.S.A..still some freedom, for yet a while ,i hope..slim
 ps.. if the u s s r couldn t control drugs [mostly vodka ,i think] why does a free country
try to control the choices of its people..don t make sense to me..long as it does not hurt another individual.
 having said that ..i know i could live a thousand yrs..still wouldn t have the answers.
 but i know one that does..so i yield to his will.guess i better quit smokin huh.. body is the temple..
 in time..

[williamlayton]

Nobody gets out alive--and we all contribute to our health failure by everything we put in our system.
I have been wanting to criminalize white bread for years.
Blessings

[WylieKy]

 If you OD on it happy trails!

OD on pot. LOL. Ignorance on display ^ (right up there.) You would have to smoke so much so fast that you would die form carbon dioxide poisoning first.  That's right, pot is exactly as toxic as.....campfire smoke. (and not the black, plastic burning kind, either!)  I dare anyone to link a case of a fatal marijuana overdose.  Oh yeah, there has NEVER been one. EVER. Now Alcohol? Even water.... That's right, more people have OD'd from WATER than marijuana.

[yellowtail3]

Only semi-related... Season 6 of Weeds just started!

Hilarious.

[ironglow]

Wyliky challenges;
   "I dare anyone to link a case of fatal marijuana overdose"!

  OK Wylie..here's one  http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

  Now, I don't know if it  was an overdose or regular dose but it sure is often fatal; unfortunately toop often for the innocent person..

[ironglow]

More deaths caused by the noxious weed;

  http://www.justthinktwice.com/costs/DruggedDriving.cfm

[ironglow]

...And three more deaths;
  http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017667965    No report whether it was an "over" or "regular" dose!

         ...But please note, they are all STILL dead!

[ironglow]

Another death by marijuana;

   http://www.headlinerwatch.com/5103/florida-teen-arrested-accidently-killing-friend-influence-marijuana.htm

   Again, no dosage amount given...

[ironglow]

even patricide;
  http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/bernards_woman_who_killed_pare.html

[ironglow]

Infanticide anyone/
   http://www.4rkidssake.org/FL3229.htm

[yellowtail3]

gee, ironglow - one of your links was about a kid who accidentally shot another while under influence of marijuana.

Alright, I'm wondering - what percentage of accidental (okay, negligent, for the picky) shootings do not involve marijuana, and what would those numbers tell us?

I'll bet it is the large majority... maybe handling firearms is more dangerous sans weed??

[ironglow]

marijuana use/addiction also has "collateral damage;

  http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=131414

    Want any more examples?

[ironglow]

gee, ironglow - one of your links was about a kid who accidentally shot another while under influence of marijuana.

Alright, I'm wondering - what percentage of accidental (okay, negligent, for the picky) shootings do not involve marijuana, and what would those numbers tell us?

I'll bet it is the large majority... maybe handling firearms is more dangerous sans weed??

  You may say "it's only one death" tell that to the child's parents ! surely the single death  is more  than we need! sounds like you don't get it yet..need more examples?

[WylieKy]

Ironglow....  

Death by firearms:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm

Death by car crashes:
http://www.resource4accidents.com/death

Death by doctor:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

Death by tylonol:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

I know, guns, cars, doctors, and tylonol should all be Illegal.  Then we will all be safe.  And water.   Don't forget the deaths by water OD.  
And I had a friend that tripped and died on the stairs.  Stairs should definitely be illegal.  Don't let me get into bees and lightening.    

[ironglow]

Here's a primer by people who rescue addicts from the weed. Notice the "adverse effects' part of their post..especially for the smoke around pregnant women. Perhaps if users across the country would read from these voices of experience, many children now being born sickly and/or developing childhood cancers can be spared....

   http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment_articles/article/marijuana-addiction-abuse-and-treatment_25.html

  Remember, users are playing with a weed that has not been scientifically tested as thoroughly as tobacco has. bad as tobacco is, the unknowns in this weed may be even worse..

[ironglow]

Ironglow....  

Death by firearms:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm

Death by car crashes:
http://www.resource4accidents.com/death

Death by doctor:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

Death by tylonol:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

I know, guns, cars, doctors, and tylonol should all be Illegal.  Then we will all be safe.  And water.   Don't forget the deaths by water OD.  
And I had a friend that tripped and died on the stairs.  Stairs should definitely be illegal.  Don't let me get into bees and lightening.    

  Clealy, in each of those cases and probably thousands more...no marijuana= nobody would have died..  Do you need MORE examples?

[yellowtail3]

gee, ironglow - one of your links was about a kid who accidentally shot another while under influence of marijuana.
Alright, I'm wondering - what percentage of accidental (okay, negligent, for the picky) shootings do not involve marijuana, and what would those numbers tell us? I'll bet it is the large majority... maybe handling firearms is more dangerous sans weed??

You may say "it's only one death" tell that to the child's parents ! surely the single death  is more  than we need! sounds like you don't get it yet..need more examples?

Do I need more examples? If you're trying to convince me that some activities are more hazardous under the influence... I'm already sold on that. What do you want to demonstrate, by your examples?

Perhaps you misunderstand me, ironglow - my point was that most accidental/negligent discharges/shootings take place when folks are not using marijuana - shall we then attribute those shootings to the... lack of marijuana usage? Most hunting accidents happen to white guys, not black women. Are white guys are more prone to hunting accidents than black chicks?

Anyhow... I don't advocate firearms use while using the weed, anymore than I'd advocate it while drinking. Do you know anyone who does?

[Squib]

little tidbit here

there is a radioactive isotope that makes tobacco way more carcinogenic than it has to be, and it's added to the soil (the the tobacco is farmed from) for flavor purposes.  It's apatite- maybe not spelled right, that stuff is legally added just to make the tobacco smoothe, yet everyone blames the plant.  the plants aren't inherently radioactive!