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« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2010, 06:18:32 AM »


Some people have addictive personalities; they're going to destroy themselves some way or another regardless, because it's their nature.  That doesn't mean that many others can't be responsible. 

It'd be akin to outlawing guns because some idiot shoots himself.  Everyone isn't like that, and those that were going to shoot themselves would have eventually messed up with something else because carelessness was in their nature.



Right on!..........I come from a large family, and out of eight children three were addicts.
My oldest sister was addicted to alcohol and prescription drugs. She was married to an MD, so I guess getting them was easy.She died in 1998, and we think it was an overdose of prescription drugs.

My oldest Brother is addicted to alcohol and has been sober for about twelve years now.
Another brother, was admitted to a Rehab center for the second time just last week.He has put the family through pure hell for years.His addiction?........Alcohol.

My daughter inherited that addictive gene, and died in an auto accident two years ago last June.
It could have been alcohol related. "The pain remains"

They all tried MJ, and it never became the drug of their choice. "I wish it had"

I know and have known, and worked with pot smokers, and most of them don't do other drugs, including the worst of them........alcohol. Most who try pot will quit it eventually, but most who try alcohol will not.
Not all who try it will become alcoholics, but the ones that do, will make life a living hell for those around them.








 
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« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2010, 07:15:37 AM »
Dope heads will rationalize away anything to say it is ok for them to do their dope.
                        Beerbelly

Well they/we're not all dope heads (I can honestly say that I only drink alcohol, and not to excess), but they're the only ones putting forth rationale period.  You keep coming back with 1 line rhetoric, name calling, and emotionally charged nonsense hoping to convince someone.

Most of us learned in the 3rd grade that calling someone a "stupid head" didn't win an argument.  The "dope head" tactic isn't working any better for you.

MGM, I think that the problem is the words we're using. They're too big.  I'm going to see if I can have all my posts translated into a series of monosyllabic grunts and clicks, and I'll bet he'll pick right up on what is being said then.

"You wrong.  Me right. Pot not bad. Too much pot bad. Beer not bad.  Too much beer bad.  Too much any thing bad.  Smoke pot does not make pot head. Too much pot make pot head.  Like beer not make beer belly. Too much beer make beer belly.  Let me have my choice. I let you have your choice.  Bet your choice kill you first."

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« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2010, 07:40:15 AM »
Dope heads will rationalize away anything to say it is ok for them to do their dope.
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So will a drunk so whats your point ? We are talking pot not hard drugs which no one is saying make legal. When you buy pot on the street you have no idea what chemicals are also added to it . Some may be added to addict you to another drug . If it was legal in the way of other smokes then this would not be the case.
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« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2010, 10:11:12 AM »
Boys--and this is not confession time--I probably have smoked more dope than anyone here. I smoked it for years on a regular basis.
It was a fun release. I also drank like a fish.
It was the culture of the times--the 60's--which is not an excuse--it was what it was.
I smoked dope with some very good people--we had fun and kept Lay's profitable.
The Booze was by far the worse of the choices--and it was common for everyone to have 4/5 drinks after work and drive home. In those days I could handle the booze very well---that does not mean I was sober.
You give me a choice today and I will sit on my back porch and do a bowl of MJ.
BTW--it was during the 50's that they altered the seed--when I first took a drag it was automatic that the next day you would be addicted to heroin--then they took that danger out of the seed.
So much for those who have not been there and done that.
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« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2010, 10:16:30 AM »
WL you have a way with words fer sure !
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« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2010, 10:46:37 AM »
And you can OD on weed. Get you some BC bud and roll up a big fat one. Puff hard and deep and you will be out before it's half gone. This stuff is not laced with anything it is just 50 times as potent as normal weed.
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« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2010, 11:00:16 AM »
same for booze like 151 rum
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« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2010, 11:02:31 AM »
  I was around then WL. It just wasn't around where i lived. I hung with a pretty rough bunch and i am sure if MJ was available we would have had some. We could hang out in front of the local liquor store and someone would buy us a bottle of wine. We sure drank a lot of Mother Goldstien wine. ;D.  .60 a bottle.

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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2010, 02:23:14 PM »
And you can OD on weed. Get you some BC bud and roll up a big fat one. Puff hard and deep and you will be out before it's half gone. This stuff is not laced with anything it is just 50 times as potent as normal weed.

Mmmmm Kay....  Show me a case where someone has OD'd from weed.  BC bud may be 50x stronger, but the lethal dose of THC is 46 POUNDS of marujuana.  So for math sakes we would have to have a 1 pound joint of the BC stuff to be fatal.  A FAT joint would be something like 1/8 of an OUNCE.  So...if I sat down and smoked a joint of the BC stuff that was 128x the largest joint I have ever seen, I might die. It would look something like a wiffle-ball bat.  Did you know that if you drink a gallon of water without stopping you will die? True story. The lethal dose of THC is over 250,000 times the intoxicating dose.
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« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2010, 04:20:06 PM »
Cocaine was involved in 383,350 visits to emergency rooms; marijuana, 215,665; heroin, 162,137; and stimulants, including amphetamines and methamphetamine, 102,843. Other illicit drugs such as PCP PCP
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Only second to cocaine! You will pass out before it kills you, but it is not hard to overdose to the point of unconsciousness. Trust me on that one.
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« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2010, 04:38:59 PM »
Cocaine was involved in 383,350 visits to emergency rooms; marijuana, 215,665; heroin, 162,137; and stimulants, including amphetamines and methamphetamine, 102,843. Other illicit drugs such as PCP PCP
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Only second to cocaine! You will pass out before it kills you, but it is not hard to overdose to the point of unconsciousness. Trust me on that one.


Where did you obtain this info?

Here is an article I found on the ten most dangerous drugs


Ten Most Dangerous Drugs
Posted By Dr. Ben Kim on Mar 25, 2007

    * Health Warnings

According to a study published this month in The Lancet, alcohol and tobacco rank among the ten most dangerous substances used by humans. Both alcohol and tobacco have been assessed to be more dangerous than illegal drugs like marijuana or ecstasy.

The following three factors were considered in ranking the harmfulness of each drug that was evaluated:

    * Physical harm to the user
    * Addictive potential of the drug
    * The drug's overall impact on society

Psychiatrists who specialize in treating addictive behavior and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise were asked to assign a score to each of the three factors listed above for each drug that was evaluated in this study. All told, 20 different drugs were evaluated, including cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, amphetamines, and LSD.

Ranked from most to least dangerous, the ten most dangerous substances were deemed to be:

   1. Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk.
   2. Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow.
   3. Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy's, and rainbows.
   4. Street Methadone
   5. Alcohol
   6. Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K.
   7. Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs.
   8. Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players.
   9. Tobacco
  10. Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies.

The remaining drugs that were assessed in this study ranked as follows:

   1. Cannabis - includes marijuana.
   2. Solvents - volatile substances that can be inhaled, such as glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel (gas).
   3. 4-MTA - is a derivative of amphetamine and has similar effects to ecstasy.
   4. LSD
   5. Methylphenidate - central nervous system stimulant, commonly sold as ritalin.
   6. Anabolic steroids
   7. GHB - short for Gamma hydroxybutyrate, a powerful central nervous system depressant, most commonly known as the date rape drug.
   8. Ecstasy
   9. Alkyl nitrates - group of drugs commonly referred to as poppers.
  10. Khat - an amphetamine-like stimulant.

It is estimated that tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is involved in more than 50 percent of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. In light of these statistics, the authors of this study question why alcohol and tobacco are legal to use within current drug policies for Britain and the United States, while less harmful drugs like ecstasy and LSD are deemed illegal to use.

The bottom line: alcohol and tobacco are two of the most dangerous substances that you can expose yourself to on a regular basis. In terms of overall potential to cause harm, if used regularly, alcohol and tobacco belong in the same category as other recreational drugs like cocaine and heroin.
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« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2010, 04:43:02 PM »
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Emergency+room+visits+soaring-a0154693583

Like I said, trust me on this. One hit and I was asleep in the chair. I am only a very very very ocasional smoker, lets say once or twice a year, and it knocked me out cold.
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« Reply #102 on: August 23, 2010, 05:01:06 PM »
Like I said, trust me on this. One hit and I was asleep in the chair. I am only a very very very ocasional smoker, lets say once or twice a year, and it knocked me out cold.

Lightweight...
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« Reply #103 on: August 23, 2010, 05:27:18 PM »
Like I said, trust me on this. One hit and I was asleep in the chair. I am only a very very very ocasional smoker, lets say once or twice a year, and it knocked me out cold.

Lightweight...


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« Reply #104 on: August 23, 2010, 05:57:57 PM »
Me, too, actually... .
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #105 on: August 23, 2010, 06:24:22 PM »
Legalize it, tax it, regulate it and the criminals element and breach of our boarders due to it being illegal will nearly disapear. Not to mention the tax payers will win because we just turned and exspense (war on drugs) into a tax revenue generator instead of a tax dollar sucking waist. Real jobs will be created as well. One that pay thier fair share of income and business tax.
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« Reply #106 on: August 23, 2010, 07:46:01 PM »
Cocaine was involved in 383,350 visits to emergency rooms; marijuana, 215,665; heroin, 162,137; and stimulants, including amphetamines and methamphetamine, 102,843. Other illicit drugs such as PCP PCP
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Only second to cocaine! You will pass out before it kills you, but it is not hard to overdose to the point of unconsciousness. Trust me on that one.

I enjoy your editing. Full story, from your source, below.

http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/HospitalVisits.html

1,742,887 ER visits related to drugs (this number doesn't include alcohol only visits...*cough* For some reason the government doesn't track this number. Hmmm)

741,425 were from illegal use of over the counter/prescription meds.
577,521 involved alcohol + illegal drugs.
548,608 were from cocaine.
290,563 involved marijuana, but of those more than 60,000 also involved alcohol.  I'd be curious to know how many of the others involved cocaine and/or other drugs (which is not tracked.) I'd say quite a bit.  The total number of breakdowns far exceeds the total of 1,741,425, so many are multi-drug use but they don't break down which drugs unless alcohol is involved.

Also not taken into consideration is the per capita drug use.  How many people do you know smoke dope? (Probably a few, right?) Now how many people do you know use cocaine? (probably very few, maybe 1..) Heroine? (Probably none, right?)

One thing I still haven't seen? A fatality from marijuana use.... Anyone have one?  Just...ONE?

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« Reply #107 on: August 23, 2010, 09:35:03 PM »
The point is that we do what we want to do.
As I orginally said---it was not a confession--it just was what it was.
Some of the stories are funny--none were anywhere near morbid.
Could it have been? Well like everything in life--EVERYTHING--turn circumstances one degree--and it can be a KA-BOOM---from guns to girls--apples to Zebra's.
Man has always had a desire to prevent---but he damn sure don't want nobody preventing hisownself.
Put it on the market---let legal folks make a little profit and tax it by sales tax.
If you don't want to don't--and if you do---take on the responsibility.
BTW---I hung out with white collar, independent minded folks and not a tough crowd of Open Front folks---well, er, not much---but they could be fun also.
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« Reply #108 on: August 23, 2010, 09:43:50 PM »
Wily-
I have seen some folks almost choke theirownselves with potato chips.
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« Reply #109 on: August 24, 2010, 02:52:08 AM »
No one has ever died of an overdose of LSD either. Wylie, my friend, I am wanting weed legal. I am just pointing out, it is not anything miraculous and if abused it is dangerous. I do not have to point out any particular case as common sence which most have tells you it is true. There have been millions of deaths caused by either a lack of attention or reflexes from intoxication of pot. Folks pulling out in front of of other vehicles, getting caught in machinery ect. ect. This is just like when you claimed if you drink alcohol before you board a plane you will be instantly wasted when you reach alititude, NOT TRUE, I guaerentee thousands of members here have had a drink or 2 before boarding and know this from personal experiance. 
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« Reply #110 on: August 24, 2010, 02:54:10 AM »
Wily-
I have seen some folks almost choke theirownselves with potato chips.
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hush... someone is gonna try to outlaw chips and BBQ, because they have our interests in mind, or... because they don't like them... .
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« Reply #111 on: August 24, 2010, 05:44:47 AM »
  Bet your choice kill you first."

Well I am 71 working hard on 72, so we shall see.
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« Reply #112 on: August 24, 2010, 06:08:11 AM »
Cocaine was involved in 383,350 visits to emergency rooms; marijuana, 215,665; heroin, 162,137; and stimulants, including amphetamines and methamphetamine, 102,843. Other illicit drugs such as PCP PCP
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Only second to cocaine! You will pass out before it kills you, but it is not hard to overdose to the point of unconsciousness. Trust me on that one.

I would believe cocaine SINCE THEY GIVE IT TO PEOPLE TO STOP NOSE BLEED ! medical grade of course
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« Reply #113 on: August 24, 2010, 06:34:26 AM »
I am just pointing out, it is not anything miraculous and if abused it is dangerous.....
There have been millions of deaths caused by either a lack of attention or reflexes from intoxication of pot. Folks pulling out in front of of other vehicles, getting caught in machinery ect. ect.

This is just like when you claimed if you drink alcohol before you board a plane you will be instantly wasted when you reach alititude, NOT TRUE, I guarantee thousands of members here have had a drink or 2 before boarding and know this from personal experiance. 

For the 1st part, I have said that the entire time.  "reasonable, responsible" use.  I even specified driving and operating machinery among others, so I guess we're in agreement there.  Smoking dope has killed no one.  Smoking dope+choosing to go Dukes of Hazard has. I think we'll eventually cure cancer, but stupid is here to stay.
I think we had a miscommunication on  the whole alcohol at altitude thing.  I didn't say that if you had a drink or two you would be smashed, I said that the effects of alcohol are greatly magnified at altitude.  If you have 1-2 drinks it's more like 4-6.  Being drunk is a lot like boiling water, it takes a LOT to get it to boil a little, then just a little bit more and the pot is overflowing.  A pilot can pass a sobriety test at ground level but would be doing the standing stumble at altitude.  Basically if the "pump is primed" it is like adding an additional 1-1.5 times the drinks onto what you have had.

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« Reply #114 on: August 24, 2010, 09:14:22 AM »
What ever you do---YOU must take responsibility.
Now I don't know what responsible is to you but too me is to do whatever as safely and with as much sense and caution as possible. Things can go wrong in a nano.
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