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A new 7mm-08
« on: August 15, 2010, 07:16:55 PM »
I am looking to purchase a new deer rifle in 7mm-08.  I have hemmed and hawed for some time.  I am looking at only these choices, a Sako A7, Kimber Montana, or Kimber 84M. 

I am throwing the question to the informed shooting crowd for their honest input and/or advice.  I already have a Kimber Montana in .300 WSM and it is a gem, and quite accurate.  I know Tikkas are nice, but I happen to like the A7 better.  Lastly, I already have a Winchester Model 70 30-06, with no complaints at all, so please I am looking for an 7mm-08 only.

Between these 3 what would you choose? 

Please help.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 10:46:29 PM »
Personally I would get the Kimber 84M. Great guns from all I have heard and I will own one eventually. Whatever you buy you will enjoy the 7mm-08 cartridge. I love the 50 yard and 150 yard dead on zero. It makes it easy for younger shooters to kill a deer at distance.

I just put together a 700 SPS SS with Bushnell 3200 Silver together for the kids I take hunting.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 05:32:36 AM »
The Kimber 84M is what I am leaning towards.  This gun feels so perfect, as well the the fit and finish is outstanding.  It can't be wrong, but so does the Sako have a good fit and feel.  Besides, the gun shop guy is a friend and tells me his .308 in 84M is a tack driver too.  

I think the 7-08 in any of these guns is outstanding.    


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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 10:01:18 AM »
I once had a 7mm-08 Montana, was pleased with the excellent stock and the general fit of the rifle, except for the sloppy bolt which seems to be a family trait. But I found the gun actually too light and whippy, accuracy was mediocre at best, and feeding was sometimes a problem. I knew of the potential accuracy issues from the internet but thought I'd take a chance. The factory warranty is nice but you shouldn't have to go that route in the first place when you pay that much.

I have since got a Tikka T3 stainless but haven't shot it yet. It has a considerably stiffer barrel that Sako apparently also uses on their spendy 85, with a good accuracy rep, and the gun isn't that much heavier. I don't much like the plastic magazines but you could add a top-notch scope and still have some change left over. To me, no contest.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 10:35:49 AM »
The 84 and the Montana is the same gun - One in blued steel and walnut, one in stainless and synthetic.  I have 84's in 308 and 7mm/08, and they are very nice rifles.  Bolt wobble is a design feature common to Mauser type actions, and has not been an issue for the past 110 or so years as long as the bolt is not jammed to the side when being operated.

The thing to remember about these guns is they are designed to be light in weight, while still using a 22 inch barrel.  So they heat up fast.  They are hunting guns, not target guns.  That said, both my centerfire Kimbers are very accurate (between 3/4 and 1.25 inches at 100 yards) with the right ammo.  Never had any feeding problems.  Any light weight gun will feel "whippy" compared to a heavier gun.  Not a problem if you use a steady rest at longer ranges, as you should with any gun.

I have never shot a Tikka, but have heard good things about em.

The gun in the pic is an early model in 7mm/08.  Gotta love good wood..:)

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 10:47:11 AM »
There is no doubt the Sako/Tikka is accurate, but the stock is cheesy.

My Kimber Montana .300 is also very accurate with an excellent stock.

However, that 84M with the wood stock in 7-08 is a gorgeous deer gun. 

Thanks for the replies.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 12:47:38 PM »
Not to beat a dead horse, but I've had two "Mausers", one a Win 70 CF .338 and the other a gen-oo-ine Swedish 96. Both had considerably closer-fitting bolts than my Kimber. But I'm curious--if fitted properly why would a Mauser necessarily need a sloppier bolt?

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 01:50:32 PM »
The 84 and the Montana is the same gun - One in blued steel and walnut, one in stainless and synthetic.  I have 84's in 308 and 7mm/08, and they are very nice rifles.  Bolt wobble is a design feature common to Mauser type actions, and has not been an issue for the past 110 or so years as long as the bolt is not jammed to the side when being operated.

The thing to remember about these guns is they are designed to be light in weight, while still using a 22 inch barrel.  So they heat up fast.  They are hunting guns, not target guns.  That said, both my centerfire Kimbers are very accurate (between 3/4 and 1.25 inches at 100 yards) with the right ammo.  Never had any feeding problems.  Any light weight gun will feel "whippy" compared to a heavier gun.  Not a problem if you use a steady rest at longer ranges, as you should with any gun.

I have never shot a Tikka, but have heard good things about em.

The gun in the pic is an early model in 7mm/08.  Gotta love good wood..:)

Larry

Wow , that grain is just awesome.
I love the 7mm-08. I need nor want many rifles /calibers .
I settled on 7mm-08 for whitetails and have never been happier with the accuracy and lightweight package I chose. the 7mm-08 is just flat out a pleasure to shoot.   
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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 05:17:59 PM »
Scootrd,

What type of rifle do you have in 7-08?

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 01:42:24 AM »
Not to beat a dead horse, but I've had two "Mausers", one a Win 70 CF .338 and the other a gen-oo-ine Swedish 96. Both had considerably closer-fitting bolts than my Kimber. But I'm curious--if fitted properly why would a Mauser necessarily need a sloppier bolt?

The twin lug, controled feed Mauser style of bolt action is such that there is going to be some inherit bolt play when fully opened, as apposed to say, a Weatherby Mrk V, where the locking lugs are recessed, or bolt diameter.  Some modern Mauser type imitations use anti-bind features that allow closer bolt fit.  In a military action, I would think they wanted a little slop so as to not be adversely effected by dirt and fouling.  That said, each rifle is different.  I have 2 Kimber 84's, and the bolt is well fit, non-binding, and smooth on each.  My 1909 Argentine (model 98 action) 35 Whelen has more "slop" then the Kimbers, but you still have to work at making it bind.  I have handled 96 Mausers with tight, smooth bolts, and a few that were not so good.  Can't just make blanket statements based on one or two guns..

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2010, 12:46:58 PM »
Scootrd,

What type of rifle do you have in 7-08?

Remington Model Seven 25th Anniv.  
I chose the Anniv edition not because it was a special edition but because I wanted a 22" barrel.
MAG. CAPACITY: 4
RATE OF TWIST: 9 1/4"
BARREL LENGTH: 22"
OVERALL LENGTH: 39 1/4"
AVERAGE WEIGHT: 6 1/2 lbs

The mod seven CDL in 7mm-08 usually sports a 20" Barrel .

I utilize Weaver Grand Slam Lever-Lok Rings and Weaver Steel Bases, I like the look of the two steel base system vs a single base. Also I think the two base system allows for better accessibility when using low mount Rings. I do like the Lever - Lok's , they appear to be as advertised as they allow me to swap for use of two different scopes without losing Zero with either one.
A Burris 4.5-14x32  11 inches in length , 15 oz Weight
and a Leopold 2-7x33 11 inches in length 10.5 oz Weight.

Over all,  loaded , scoped , sling and all it's a nice little package that has nice feel and balance between 7-1/2 - 7 3/4 lbs (depending on what scope I use ) with very mild recoil , pleasure to walk with in steep terrain, mixed hardwoods and high meadow etc..    and deadly accurate .

worth a mention , my particular mod seven does not like 150gr bullets , I simply cannot get them to group well. But as Larry mentioned it's a hunting rifle not a target rifle. So no large concern for me.
Loves 120 and 140gr loads. I want to try Hornady 139gr but never seem to find them in stock when I'm re-suppyling.  
I have read really good things about them Here and on other boards.

I chuckle when when I read the 7mm-08 is a caliber for good youth rifle , or my wife owns one.  All of which may be true . But I'm 5'5 145lbs , have never been recoil sensitive by any means.  The 7mm-08 for whitetails just makes better sense to me where I hunt than my old 30-06 ever did. Glad I made the switch.

Larry's Pics sure looks nice!!!!
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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2010, 04:52:34 PM »
"Can't just make blanket statements based on one or two guns..."

Um, "which seems to be a family trait" isn't a blanket statement. "All Kimber Montanas have a sloppy bolt" would be a blanket statement. Of course I couldn't know that unless I worked at Kimber or knew somebody who did.

I looked at two Montanas in the gunshop and both had equally loose-fitting bolts. I therefore assumed, given the otherwise high quality, that that was a deliberate design decision. (If the two hadn't been the same I wouldn't have assumed that and I would have ordered a Remington XCR which was my other choice.) Since neither of those two Kimbers was a 7-08, I ordered mine. My rifle had the same bolt fit, so I assumed once again that it was deliberate design. Therefore I think my judgement of that being a family trait is reasonable.

Anyway, in the end, I like accurate rifles, however light they may be, and the inconsistant 2" at 100yds wasn't good enough, nor were the feeding problems. And I'm also aware of lighter barrels heating up quicker so my 3-shot groups were well spaced. But Kimbers are classy and well-made American rifles and I'm glad so many guys are satisfied with them. Maybe someday I'll come across another one more accurate than the one I had and be perfectly happy with it. The only-as-big-as-necessary barreled action is a great idea, and I can't afford an Ultralight.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2010, 04:59:20 PM »
"Can't just make blanket statements based on one or two guns..."

Um, "which seems to be a family trait" isn't a blanket statement. "All Kimber Montanas have a sloppy bolt" would be a blanket statement. Of course I couldn't know that unless I worked at Kimber or knew somebody who did.

I looked at two Montanas in the gunshop and both had equally loose-fitting bolts. I therefore assumed, given the otherwise high quality, that that was a deliberate design decision. (If the two hadn't been the same I wouldn't have assumed that and I would have ordered a Remington XCR which was my other choice.) Since neither of those two Kimbers was a 7-08, I ordered mine. My rifle had the same bolt fit, so I assumed once again that it was deliberate design. Therefore I think my judgement of that being a family trait is reasonable.

Anyway, in the end, I like accurate rifles, however light they may be, and the inconsistant 2" at 100yds wasn't good enough, nor were the feeding problems. And I'm also aware of lighter barrels heating up quicker so my 3-shot groups were well spaced. But Kimbers are classy and well-made American rifles and I'm glad so many guys are satisfied with them. Maybe someday I'll come across another one more accurate than the one I had and be perfectly happy with it. The only-as-big-as-necessary barreled action is a great idea, and I can't afford an Ultralight.



Well, I don't know what to tell you other then don't buy a Kimber rifle then.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2010, 05:51:42 PM »
Thanks Scootrd.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2010, 06:55:51 AM »
"Well, I don't know what to tell you other than don't buy a Kimber rifle then."

I never asked--nor do I need--you to tell me anything. I responded to the OP with an honest and hopefully helpful opinion based on what I've experienced regarding the rifles he was considering. You didn't help by barging in with unnecessary lectures on Mausers and military theory.

I thought I had left my last post with a rather conciliatory tone but apparently you just can't let it go. (Possibly I haven't paid proper homage to one of the sages around here.)

See 'ya.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2010, 08:37:02 AM »
"Well, I don't know what to tell you other than don't buy a Kimber rifle then."

I never asked--nor do I need--you to tell me anything. I responded to the OP with an honest and hopefully helpful opinion based on what I've experienced regarding the rifles he was considering. You didn't help by barging in with unnecessary lectures on Mausers and military theory.

I thought I had left my last post with a rather conciliatory tone but apparently you just can't let it go. (Possibly I haven't paid proper homage to one of the sages around here.)

See 'ya.


Actually, I was responding to your question to me about why a Mauser needs a sloppier bolt.  A "Sage"?,   Hmmm.... I kind of like that.... ;D ;D

By the way, I apologize Bowjack if my conversation with Decapod has interfered with your original question.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2010, 10:42:08 AM »
Larry,

No apologies needed.  Generally, I have found more satisfied Kimber owners than not.  One's that never owned one, I won't listen to.  If others have owned one and didn't like it, they may have a point that is worth listening to.

However, I spoke to Kimber and they are aware of the many complaints, but many of the complaints are hearsay.  Nevertheless, I was told there will be some changes coming from Kimber that may be worth waiting for.

The only complaint I have had with Kimber is in their customer service in the Yonkers, NY facility.  They were somewhat arrogant, surly, and condescending, but Kimber is aware of that problem too and and they assured me that issue is also changing too.  My last call I found them quite accommodating.

So, if they fix their QC (if there were indeed real issues) and correct the bad phone manners, I think it will make for a good company with an excellent product. 

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2010, 11:26:49 AM »
Thanks Bowjack.  Truth is, its really all about personal preference.  I think it pretty hard to find a bad rifle these days.  A lot of manufacturers have a hard time grasping how important customer service really is.  One bad experience can turn a customer off for life, even though the product may be fine. 

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2010, 12:01:37 PM »
I would get the Kimber 84M in 7mm-08, as I WANT one!  ;D

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2010, 12:09:17 PM »
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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2010, 04:54:23 AM »
The above article is right on the money.  As much as I love the .30-06, I have to agree it the 7mm-08 is a great round that can be had in many great rifles. When matched with a short action rifle, it is no wonder that this round is fast increasing in popularity.  

It has all the attributes that my lovely little Savage 99 lever in .300 Savage has, and then some.  That says a lot since I love my little 99, and often considered it the perfect deer rifle.  

When I hunt the Adirondacks, in northern New York, this rugged country requires active pursuit rather than sit and wait hunting.  I have carried my Win Model 70 .30-06, and by the end of the day I felt every extra ounce.  I once lost a monster that topped a ridge before I could get my rifle in action.  Shots on monsters come quick, and are few and far between.  Much akin to grouse hunting w/o a dog.  Shots come when you are least prepared to take the shot usually in the thickest cover.  Since I am not a brown and down, then determine if it is a buck or doe type of guy, the 99 trumped the '06 for that quick shot.  

I like levers with the nostalgia they convey, such as the Marlins in .35 Rem.  Though it has good qualities at modest range, my Savage 99F is a pure joy in all ways, very quick to engage, speaks with authority on deer, and never gives me a feeling of being under gunned if a large blackie stepped out.  

However, a modern bolt in 7mm-08 such as a Kimber 84M or such has all the endearing characteristics of my light little 99F, and most likely outshines my 99F as the perfect deer rifle without the excessive recoil, shoots flatter, and delivers more energy to the target at all practical ranges.  

That is why I am in the search of a perfect deer rifle in 7mm-08.  

Nevertheless, Tikkas might be accurate, but their cheap Tupperware type stocks are awful, and are an anathema to the nostalgia of deer hunting in the Adirondacks ... IN MY OPINION..    

For me, deer hunting is an illusory endeavor, I am not certain what I am really hunting for, but it is a mix of primordial pursuit, and an exuberant escape if not perfect respite from the complex, frenetic pace of the post-modern life, and the accoutrements must fit my fanciful designs without jostling my unstable insanity.  That is a pretty tall order.

As my season fast approaches, the realization of how important deer hunting has been in my life is paramount in my mind.  When facing the realization of the of the finality and fragility of life, I cherish and savor each season all the more, and understand each passing season represents one less.  The sights, sounds, and smells are indelibly recorded in my mind and consequently build upon one another build as I step each day closer to the light.  

Cheap, inaccurate guns, dishonorable people, disloyal women, and untrained dogs are no longer part of the equation.

It seems after writing this missive that deer hunting weapons are similar to the perfect woman (again for me), and my realities and tastes have changed with time, and maturity.  


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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2010, 05:56:57 AM »
Bowjack here's an Excerpt from Dave Anderson's Article "Four Favorite Sevens". Published in Guns Magazine Jan 2002 Were he discusses - 7mm Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington and .284 Winchester. If you would like to read in it's entirety -  

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_1_48/ai_80635892/

-  Excerpt:
- Dave Anderson
 
The Practical 7mm-08

The 7mm-08, based on the .308 Win. case, was a popular wildcat for many years before Remington made it a factory round in 1980. It was particularly popular for metallic silhouette due to its light recoil with ballistically efficient bullets.

As a hunting round, it initially didn't generate much excitement. The case looks small compared to the .270/.280 cases, not to mention the 7mm Rem. Mag. It was often used in short-barreled carbines, which reduced velocities from advertised figures taken in 24-inch barrels. Eastern whitetail hunters were the first to appreciate the virtues of light, compact bolt-action carbines and the effective ballistics of the 7mm-08. These carbines have to a considerable extent supplanted the .30-30 lever-action carbines that were a whitetail standard for so many years. Most western hunters, however, tended to ignore the 7mm-08 in favor of old standards such as the .270.

 But in the last few years the 7mm-08 has slowly but steadily gained in popularity. Shooters are beginning to appreciate that it is a highly efficient cartridge. It works well with medium-burning powders that don't need extra-long barrels to burn effectively. These smaller powder charges reduce recoil and muzzle blast as well. Taken in 24-inch barrel lengths, velocities of 7mm-08, .270 and .280 bullets of the same weight are surprisingly close.

With 140-grain bullets, Remington lists the 7mm-08 at 2,860 fps. The 140-grain bullet in .270 is shown at 2,925 fps and in .280 at 3,000 fps. The bigger cases really benefit from 24-inch barrels that burn their powder charges effectively; reduce barrel length to 22 or 20 inches and the difference becomes even less.

 The 7mm-08 really needs to be used to be fully appreciated. It wasn't until about 1990 that I started to shoot and reload extensively for the cartridge. Chronographing and accuracy testing various loads was an eye-opener. Report and muzzle blast were noticeably less than the .280/.284; recoil was a pitiful little nudge, yet velocities with comparable bullet weights were usually within 150 fps. (See chart #3)

Like its parent case the .308, the 7mm-08 is a pleasure to reload, untemperamental and accurate. Medium to medium/slow burning powders seem to give best results. The slowest burning powders I use in 7mm-08 are W-W 760 and H-414. In the IMR series, IMR-4064 and IMR-4320 give good results. Hodgdon Varget often produces outstanding accuracy. Reloder 15 and Accurate Arms 2700 are good choices as well.

 An effective, flat-shooting load for game such as antelope is the 130-grain Speer, which can be loaded to around 3,000 fps in a 22-inch barrel, approximating .270 Win. performance in barrels of the same length. The best all-around load is a 140-grain bullet loaded at 2,800 to 2,900 fps (depending on barrel length). Bullets over 150 grains have to be seated deeply to suit the short magazines and shallow barrel throats of most factory 7mm-08s, but they can still be very effective. Premium 160-grain bullets can usually achieve 2,600 fps in 20-inch barrels and break 2,700 fps in 24-inch barrels.

Due to its medium capacity and its use of powders with medium-burning rates, the 7mm-08 maintains velocities quite well, even in barrels as short as 20 inches. It has become a popular cartridge choice in the handy bolt-action carbines that are increasingly popular. However, don't overlook 22-or even 24-inch barrels that do provide an appreciable velocity gain.

Four favorite sevens. Which is the best choice? I can hedge and say I like and use them all; this is perfectly true, but it ducks the issue. I like the 7mm Mauser for its tradition, longevity, and its association with great hunters and explorers of the past. The .284 is a superb cartridge and will always be a favorite, and the .280 provides the best ballistic performance of the lot, albeit by a small margin.

But consider everything -- performance, recoil, rifle size and weight, rifle availability, ammunition availability and selection -- and the winner, rather to my surprise, is the 7mm-08 Remington. Ten years ago, even five years ago, I wouldn't have said that. But this efficient, effective little cartridge is a good one, and it's going to be around for a long time.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2010, 07:16:25 AM »
Thanks Scootrd for another excellent article and one that supports the 7-08 as the perfect deer cartridge, at least here in the east.

Now for a platform.  I think the Kimber 84M is going to be my choice.  Since Kimber has been listening to the valid complaints by some owners, they are moving to fix any issues, and I think they will be a great gun and will make a dandy of a platform for the 7mm-08.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2010, 08:07:46 AM »
I can't help but jump in.  I have 2 remington model 7's.  One is a SS older model and the other is a SS Fluted model.  They are both 7mm08.  The are both super accurate.  I prefer 120-140 grain bullets.  I have more than a dozen one shot kills on whitetails and hogs.  Out of the 8 rifles I own, these are my favorite.  I have loaded anything in this bullet range that shot more than an inch.   I have not glassbedded either one just turned the triggers down.  I could provide you with some targets that look like bug holes.  Everyone in my family has taken deer with one of them I own.  I think this cartridge is nearly perfect for this size game.  Yep, I have some super magnums that do NO better job.  Ask graybeard what he thinks.

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2010, 04:27:30 PM »
Those model 7's do look nice.  However, as much as people bash Kimber, I am just as leery if not more so of the new Remington's and their QC issues. 

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2010, 07:52:06 PM »
not tryin to sway ya either way. I think the Kimber is awesome. I can tell ya though with my personal mod 7 .. no QC issues at all
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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2010, 01:52:27 PM »
I have a Tikka Whitetail Hunter in 308. I wished I would have gotten a 7-08 instead. It shoots 180 A-Max MOA at 100 and I like the feel  (palm swell) and handling. The trigger is ok too. But the rifle has too much plastic.

I would buy a Sako but from the rifles you have and what your looking for myself I would take a harder look at the Kimber.
Scooter

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Re: A new 7mm-08
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2010, 09:01:29 AM »
My next rifle will be an A7...I'm just waiting to chreck out the new stock
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