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Population Bomb Myth
« on: August 17, 2010, 03:40:09 PM »
At a recent conference the issue of plummeting birth rates in the west came up as a contributing factor to some other issues. The data is clear, verifiable, and available, but clearly not on the front page, so here's some numbers.

Replacement Rate is 2.1 children per couple; this is the minimum average number necessary to keep a population static (i.e. not shrinking, not growing).
- US is presently at 1.9 and falling; we have not been at 2.1 since the 70s.
- Western Europe averages between 1.4 and 0.9 (Italy is at 0.9)
- Japan is at 1.4
No nation in the history of mankind has survived once it dropped below 1.3.

But wait, you say, the population is increasing! Immigration and longevity are contributing to the final #s, but birth rates are still dropping.

There is an inverse relationship between economy and birth rate, i.e. higher the standard of living, the lower the birth rate. Yep, that's right, all our advanced medical technology and we produce fewer healthy living children than the midwives in the 3rd world per family. And their own numbers would be higher still with improved medical procedures.

Australia, France, Japan, and Russia are all paying people to have children. Russia was at 140million in 2005, they will be at 70 million by 2050, they're dropping at a rate of 700K per year (low birth rate, low longevity). They are paying women to stay at home and have children; 180 out from USSR policy.

From a purely social scientific analysis, we do not value children even at the most essential level of survival.

Why is this do you suppose?
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 03:49:35 PM »
They are too expensive and a pain in the butt?
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2010, 04:18:54 PM »
The government robs so much of our money, and we work so much trying to make more, we don't have the time or money to have more kids.  Can you imagine a blue collar family where mom stays home and has 8 kids and dad works to support them?  He would need 4 jobs.
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2010, 04:24:11 PM »
I wonder if the 50,000,000 + aborted babies were counted as absentees?
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 04:39:40 PM »
I wonder if the 50,000,000 + aborted babies were counted as absentees?

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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 05:41:18 PM »
Due to costs of medical care and education , not to mention clothing, food and transportation, its hard for middleclass families to try and raise more than one child. Welfare families get more for every head they produce.

Families dont need mutiple children to help out on the farm any more.

Last year in Harris County (Houston,Texas) 10,000 babies where born, over 7,000 were to illegal aliens. Hmmm?
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2010, 01:33:23 PM »
Many demographic experts think 'feminism' (the feminist movement) killed the family and started the abortion racket.

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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2010, 04:06:38 AM »
Churches should stick to teaching the Gospel and stay out of politics.
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2010, 10:33:37 AM »
The same research we studied at this conference also noticed ... again this is social science, not religious zealotry ... feminist movement, effeminization of men movement, homosexuality, abortion, silence of the church (PC and self-imposed) on moral issues which are always a matter of politics, medicating children (mostly boys). All of these hot button issues which many here have already mentioned, are contributing factors to our decline in population. If we do nothing, we will be an afterthought in 3 generations ... at our current rate. Many of us will probably live long enough to see that 3rd generation.

BTW, immigrant birth spikes in the first generation, so the numbers are inflated. But once that new generation is fully assimilated by American/European culture, their statistics quickly catch up with the rest of us. Which many immigrant communities have identified quickly, and is a reason why they want to keep their children from becoming "American." Sad, isn't it? We used to be the most pro-life, pro-family, pro-child nation on the planet.
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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2010, 10:53:40 AM »
Hispanics can eventually be assimilated, but Muslims probably will not be.  I know of Holiness churches, Amish, etc, that value a stay at home mom.  In the 50's with stay at home moms, homes were in the 1200 sq ft average range.  Today it is about 2,800 sq ft average.  Twice as large, fewer children.  This size home takes two incomes to afford.  Average families in the 50's had only one car.  Today, even teenagers get cars, again taking two incomes.  If most people downsized, mothers could stay home, but girls have been indoctonated to work, just in case their marriages don't work out.  When I was growing up, most mothers stayed home, some families raised veggatables.  They cooked meals from scratch, less costly food.  It can be done.  

Was a little off in my average home size, here is a link:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5525283

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Re: Population Bomb Myth
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 02:50:22 PM »
............................ But once that new generation is fully assimilated by American/European culture..............

I don't see this happening with the first generation very much, depending on the  original culture it could take several generations.
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