Where do his loyalties lie...?

[ironglow]

Where do his loyalties lie?
  A)   Obama says one week "we are not a Christian nation"..then the next week he says something like, "judging by the numbers, the US one of the largest Muslim nations"...
  B) Then he snubs and cancels the traditional "National Day of Prayer" breakfast
  C) We also see the Dalai Lama being ushered out of a back door of the White House..past piles of trash.

     ......Now we find that Osama is going to host a special Muslim dinner at the White House;

         
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8466477
  
    ..."If the political winds start to shift, I'll stick with the Muslims"....Who said that?

[zacharoo]

He is not a citizen and NOT AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a snake in the grass and a  Pawn to any moslem beliefs or a Communist which ever he is told to be. I think he wants to completely ruin this country. He is a zombie controled by who knows who or what but it is not good.
Keep your Bible and your gun close at hand. The BIBLE for your soul and the gun to protect you and yours. If you have he wants you to give it away to those who don't ever want to work or support this great home of ours. Until we return to a GOD LOVING COUNTRY WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zacharoo

[BUGEYE]

Imam obama is not a christain.  I've seen a bunch of presidents and never seen one so arrogant.
1776?

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Zackaroo:

He is not a citizen and NOT AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a snake in the grass and a  Pawn to any moslem beliefs or a Communist which ever he is told to be. I think he wants to completely ruin this country. He is a zombie controled by who knows who or what but it is not good.
Keep your Bible and your gun close at hand. The BIBLE for your soul and the gun to protect you and yours. If you have he wants you to give it away to those who don't ever want to work or support this great home of ours. Until we return to a GOD LOVING COUNTRY WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like someone ran out of their meds.
GuzziJohn

[Slowhanddd]

Found this and thought it would fit in here.

"On Wednesday, White House officials did not provide on-the-record comments on the survey but prompted Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston to call The Associated Press.

Caldwell, who said he has known Obama for years, said the president is a Christian who prays every day. He said he was not sure where the public confusion about the president's religion came from, but he called false media reports about it "a 24-hour noise box committed to presenting the president in a false light."

This from this article-   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_poll_obama_s_religion
It's on the internet,It must be true???Just another spin cycle,I think.

[powderman]

Good posts guys, glad to see some of us got it right. POWDERMAN. 

[saddlebum]

Lots of talk about whether Obama is Christian or Muslim. I don't believe he is either. He is Marxist. Look at his former,"spiritual leader", Jeremiah Wright. He is not Christian or Muslim. Look at Obama's,"spiritual advisor", Jim Wallis. Not Christian or Muslim. Both of these guys are Marxist/Socialist nut jobs. Obama tried attending a Baptist church, with a black minister, in Washington when he first moved there. I think he went 2 or 3 times and called it quits. Then he picked up Jim Wallis. Wallis is a bad guy, look him up.

I don't know how anyone could think Obama is a Christian when within hours of his inauguration it showed up on the White House website that he had already reversed Bush's bans on human embryo stem cell research. AND, in his first spending bill alocated 400,000,000 dollars for international abortions,including forced abortions in China.....Pretty much a dead give away. Definitely no pun intended!

As far as being Muslim goes, I think he is just stupid. I believe he thinks he can make, "useful idiots", out of them to serve his purposes. Probably doesn't realize they would lop his head off just as quick as anybody. He ain't making any friends with those people. They don't care if he sets down and has Ramadoodles with them. He's dead meat.

When it comes right down to it, Obama is whatever George Soros wants him to be!!

[ironglow]

It is remarkable how the administration is spending capital trying to convince folks that obammy is a Christian. Most real christians I know, don't need to advertize the fact..people just know it already.

   Now here is something that would NEVER come out of a committed Christian's mouth...and he didn't even realize it until Stephanopolis corrected him!
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

  Now honestly...you who are genuine, practicing Christians...  Would those words ever even "slip" out of your mouth ?

[Oldshooter]

Quote from Zackaroo:

He is not a citizen and NOT AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a snake in the grass and a  Pawn to any moslem beliefs or a Communist which ever he is told to be. I think he wants to completely ruin this country. He is a zombie controled by who knows who or what but it is not good.
Keep your Bible and your gun close at hand. The BIBLE for your soul and the gun to protect you and yours. If you have he wants you to give it away to those who don't ever want to work or support this great home of ours. Until we return to a GOD LOVING COUNTRY WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like someone ran out of their meds.
GuzziJohn

Oh I dunno, maybe he just has his head outta his ass!

[saddlebum]

You sure gotta way with words Oldshooter!! I'll give you that!!   

[ironglow]

Quote from Zackaroo:

He is not a citizen and NOT AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is a snake in the grass and a  Pawn to any moslem beliefs or a Communist which ever he is told to be. I think he wants to completely ruin this country. He is a zombie controled by who knows who or what but it is not good.
Keep your Bible and your gun close at hand. The BIBLE for your soul and the gun to protect you and yours. If you have he wants you to give it away to those who don't ever want to work or support this great home of ours. Until we return to a GOD LOVING COUNTRY WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like someone ran out of their meds.
GuzziJohn

    It sure does sound like someone ran out of their meds...better call the White house and have  them send a new scrip up to the oval office !

[kynardsj]

Actions speak louder than words. Kenyan......possibly. Muslim.......probably. Socialist.......probably. Arrogant and lacking in leadership skills......definately. Worst president in our history........another definately.

[magooch]

Saddlebum probably has it about right, but does it really matter?  The scoundrel has the reins and unless we get lucky, this guy is going to have at least a couple more years to wreak havoc on this country.  We're coming up on a chance to slow him down if the voters are wise enough to take control of Congress away from the communists, but will they?  

I figure the USA is poopulated by about forty-something per cent commies and maybe forty per cent something else.  Maybe twenty percent are conservative, constitutionalists, so the pendulum swings.

[zacharoo]

Time will tell!!

[saddlebum]

I was just watching an interview on Fox News with a progressive commentator over the issue of Obama's religion. The progressive made the claim that Obama attended a Christian church for 20yrs, Trinity United Church of Christ,( Jeremiah Wright). We have all heard the rantings of this madman. It is Black Liberation Theology.

This is some of what critics say about it;
Anthony Bradley of the Christian Post interprets that the language of "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" as nothing more than channeling the views of Karl Marx. He believes James Cone and Cornel West have worked to incorporate Marxist thought into the black church, forming an ethical framework predicated on a system of oppressor class versus a victim much like Marxism.[16]

Stanley Kurtz of the National Review claims that "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." According to him such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. He claimed the black-power theologian's goal is to tell the story of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with the filth of their evil."

Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago is the church most frequently cited by press accounts, and by Cone as the best example of a church formally founded on the vision of Black liberation of theology.[17] This theology has recently become a matter of national debate as intense condemnation by the U.S. mainstream media of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the most visible exponent of the theology[18], forced Senator Barack Obama to distance himself from his former pastor.
    
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology


Now Obama turns to Jim Wallis for, "spiritual guidance";
Who is Jim Wallis? According to The New York Times, Wallis “leans left on some issues” but overall is a “centrist, social justice” kind of guy. But a closer look at Wallis’s background reveals him to be nearly as radical, if better at disguising the fact, as Jeremiah Wright.

http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2009/03/marxist_preacher_jim_wallis_is.html

Just because they use the name of Jesus and try to link the Bible to their agenda driven theology, doesn't mean it's Christianity!!
It is straight up nut case Marxism and there is nothing Biblical about it!!

[yellowtail3]

Just because they use the name of Jesus and try to link the Bible to their agenda driven theology, doesn't mean it's Christianity!!
It is straight up nut case Marxism and there is nothing Biblical about it!!

Maybe, maybe not Marxist nutcases. Here's a thought: Jesus was not a Marxist, and were we to ask him right now, we don't know that he'd be a fab of Adam Smith or John Locke, so far as we know. Or of Milton Friedman.

American religious/political conservatism doesn't have a great deal to do with the Jesus of the New Testament, IMHO.

Would Jesus have been a friend of liberation theologists' audiences, or would he have been on the hacienda counting the money, and at the palace hangin' with the caciques?

To answer the thread question... I think the President's loyalties, lie with his country, the United States. And then to his party and friends, I'd guess. Because his opinions don't agree with some, doesn't make him a traitor. He did win an election, and I don't know that he been much differently politically than he said he'd be, during the campaign - has he changed?

[Dixie Dude]

I think Capitalism is Biblical by natural means.  Jesus said the poor will always be with you.  I think it is Proverbs that says you should enjoy the fruits of your labor.  Tithes were 10% no matter what you made (flat tax).  We are to take care of widows an orphans, but it also says if a man doesn't work, he shouldn't eat.  Scripture says God blesses those who worship him, and causes them to prosper.  However, this is not without trials.  Nowhere does it command you should share equally.  It doesn't say how much to help with, nor how much to give.  It says God's servants would not see his seed begging bread, but it doesn't say you would be rich either. 

[jimster]

I think the President's loyalties, lie with his country, the United States. And then to his party and friends, I'd guess.

I think his loyalty is with some of his party first, as he signed legislation full of things he said he would not sign while on the campaign trail. Far as friends goes...he is capable of tossing his own pastor of 20 years under the bus in a heartbeat if it's needed to advance his agenda. I guess so much for friends. His country? Economy,  I would suppose if he is ignorant in math he could think it's possible to spend and print and tax your way to prosperity, but I never really thought he was that ignorant.  If you think he is that dumb, maybe your right.  Foreign policy....ok, maybe he is really stupid and means well...if that is what your saying.  I have an open mind...it's just I figured he was going the wrong direction on purpose.  I could be wrong, he may be that dumb about everythng that built this country....I just can't believe someone could actually spend 600 billion to create a few government jobs, watch the private sector shrink and have that work out on a calculator...but maybe he never used one of those. Or does not know how...?  Maybe he figures Barney Frank needed to stay in charge of lots of things even after he crashed them. 

Basically, your telling me he is really really stupid...and means well.  Not sure I buy that. 

He did win an election

Right on....if he is that ignorant he is not alone...there are millions with him.  Well...a lot less now...but still...you have a point.
Personally, I think he's very smart...and the people that voted for him are ignorant.  Just my opinion.

[Dixie Dude]

Obama is a naive Fabian Socialist.  Socialism never has nor never will work.  People want to own their own things, make their own decisions. 

[ironglow]

I have been cautioned about "talking religion' in this thread so I won't preach or quote scripture here, but I must say, if you want to know Jesus' plan for economics, the answer is simple..just read His book!

[powderman]

Just because they use the name of Jesus and try to link the Bible to their agenda driven theology, doesn't mean it's Christianity!!
It is straight up nut case Marxism and there is nothing Biblical about it!!



YEP. Osama is certainly not Christian, I don't care what church he attended for 20 years. I believe he is the biggest racist to hold office since George Wallace. America is not a priority for him, power is. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

I think the President's loyalties, lie with his country, the United States. And then to his party and friends, I'd guess.

Far as friends goes...he is capable of tossing his own pastor of 20 years under the bus in a heartbeat if it's needed to advance his agenda.

Unseemly, that is. And some who condemn Rev. Wright prolly don't really know much about what the man advocates/preaches, and why (just an observation)

  Foreign policy....ok, maybe he is really stupid and means well...if that is what your saying. 

I never said the President was stupid; you seem to suggest it. Alright, let's pick a specific: what about his policy toward Iran, do you disapprove of? Spell it out, and rate him there.

Basically, your telling me he is really really stupid...and means well. 

Nope - I did not write, and did not intent to imply it.

[powderman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28



Just got dsl the other day and wanted to share this video of the man some of you voted for and support. I watched most of it, but had to stop. For some of you, THIS IS YOUR PRESIDENT, certainly not mine. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

It is laughable that Obammy boasts about the Muslim NOBEL PRIZE winners!   Lets have a look..;

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1306267/posts


      There are 1,200,000,000 Muslims in the world...they have a total of 7 Nobel prizes.
                   
            .....and some are doubtful, such as the "peace" prize to Arafat.

     There are14,000,000 Jews in the world...they have a total of 177 Nobel prizes...hmmmmm

[yellowtail3]

      There are 1,200,000,000 Muslims in the world...they have a total of 7 Nobel prizes.
                   
            .....and some are doubtful, such as the "peace" prize to Arafat.

     There are14,000,000 Jews in the world...they have a total of 177 Nobel prizes...hmmmmm

what do you attribute the difference to?

[jimster]

Quote
  Foreign policy....ok, maybe he is really stupid and means well...if that is what your saying.
I never said the President was stupid; you seem to suggest it. Alright, let's pick a specific: what about his policy toward Iran, do you disapprove of? Spell it out, and rate him there.


Quote
Basically, your telling me he is really really stupid...and means well.
Nope - I did not write, and did not intent to imply it.

I know you did not say that or intend it...I appologize for making it sound that way...frustrating day talking to some people about this same subject today.

Far as me suggesting he is stupid...I suggested he is very very smart.

As far as Iran policy...I am not aware of any cut and dry policy at all...someone in the administration would need to be explicit about what the current approach would be at every step and every level...I have not seen anyone draw any lines in the sand yet.  Otherwise, I would imagine Iran would have stoped doing what their doing long ago? They have no reason to stop doing anything.  And why would they or why should they?  We seem to be irrelevant to them, there is no reason I can think of why they would pay any attention to our "policy"...if there is one.

Sorry about making it sound like you were suggesting things...I was rambling

Jim

[powderman]

what do you attribute the difference to?
 
 
 
YELLOWTAIL. Easy, priorities, think about it.  Education and research is important to the Jews and Israel, not so with muslims. Their priorities are more about hatred and death than to things that would improve their lot. Look at Israel, look accross the wall to gaza and the palis. The palis have turned a garden of Eden into a huge slum, priorities. POWDERMAN. 

[saddlebum]

what do you attribute the difference to?
 
 
 
YELLOWTAIL. Easy, priorities, think about it.  Education and research is important to the Jews and Israel, not so with muslims. Their priorities are more about hatred and death than to things that would improve their lot. Look at Israel, look accross the wall to gaza and the palis. The palis have turned a garden of Eden into a huge slum, priorities. POWDERMAN. 

I might just drive Powderman's point home with the fact that Afghanistan,( as poverty stricken as they are), have been sitting on a huge wealth of minerals and metals for centuries. They couldn't stop fighting each other and infidels long enough to produce their own resources and build an economy. Instead they are a poor and backward nation that depends on other prosperous nations to provide aid to them. Who knows what they might have for oil deposits. Might not ever know cause they are too backward and violent to get it together to find out. Their own hatred that is passed on from generation to generation keeps them from succeeding as a normal society.


Geologists have known for decades about Afghanistan's vast deposits of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and other prized minerals, but a U.S. Department of Defense briefing earlier this week put a startling, nearly $1 trillion price tag on the reserves.

Afghanistan's Minister of Mines Wahidullah Shahrani called that a conservative estimate. He said he's seen geological assessments and industry reports estimating the nation's mineral wealth at $3 trillion or more.

For Afghanistan, a violent, landlocked country with virtually no exports, it is a potential windfall, although formidable obstacles remain including lack of investment, infrastructure and adequate security in most of the nation.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/17/afghanistan-says-untapped-mineral-wealth-trillion-triple-estimate/

[Oldshooter]

I don't know that he been much differently politically than he said he'd be, during the campaign - has he changed?

He was elected saying no additional taxes for anyone that made under 250k,
He got elected saying he was gonna spread the wealth of the rich to the poor.
He got elected sayinghe was going to open up the process for taxpayers to see what planned legislation was going to be.
He got elected saying He was going to change the way they do business in Washington.
He got elected saying he was going to Allow five days of public comment before signing bills.

He got elected saying he was going to end the war in Afganistan and Iraq.

The only thing he didn't lie about was robbing the rich to give to the poor, I say he is a liar and you are naive.

[saddlebum]

Don't forget.

He said he was going to be a post racial president.
He said he was going to close Gitmo.
He said he was going to pass health care without adding to the debt.
He promised immigration reform.

come on keep em comming!  


Ah heck!! Just read this,

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/