Medium bore Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter

[Yes, 357_SIG]

       Medium bore Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter       

Actually, I had not given this much thought until I started reading the 327 Fed Mag info.

It started because I couldn't find a 357 Mag 3" SP101, and a friend steered me to the 327 Fed Mag 3" SP101.

If the SP101 can get those velocities; then a 5.5" or 7.5" barrel Blackhawk should be great for small game, coyotes, etc.
No recoil, super accurate, cheap to reload.

Imagine this Coyote honker in 327 Fed Mag !!!     

http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelSuperBlackhawkBisleyHunter/models.html

PURE LUST !               
Let's all bombard Ruger on this jewel.
We gotta have this !

And in: 30 Carbine, 357 Mag, and 41 Mag ...

[BlkHawk73]

  Well, you're a bit late on the .41 Hunter as those have been available for quite a while now via Davidson's.  As for the other two...seeing as the .30 carbine BH a very low demand model, I do not see a any additional offerings in that chambering.  I wouldn't be surprised if the existing one disappeared soon.  As for the .32 caliber Hunter, well this was discussed a couple yrs ago with a engineer/designer at Ruger and seeing as the Hunters have different bbl threads, it wouldn't be possible on the Single Six frame and until it gains a lot more popularity on the single action platform, I don't it there either.  The .357 Hunter I could see but only as a distributor edition.  Even then, with the consumers looking more at bigger, larger, more powerful cartridges, the .357 as a hunting cartridge is fading.

[Yes, 357_SIG]

For deer and hogs, a 44 Mag is good but the recoil is substantial and ammo is expensive.   
Frankly it is just not fun for us broken down, senile geriatrics;     
and ... we are a looming demographic.   


For small game, coyotes, predators, and even pest control, a 357 Mag has much less recoil and the ammo is plentiful and the prices are almost reasonable.  It is a joy to reload for.             

The 327 Fed Mag would be even better still: no recoil and dirt cheap to reload for.     

[Yes, 357_SIG]

healthy as a horse - NOT
......................... no more 44 mags !

For most of my life, I was healthy as a horse and strong as an ox.
In the mid 90s, my arthritis began to spread, I developed painful carpal tunnel problems, and I tore out my right knee and started having severe "undiagnosed Gulf War" muscle and joint pain.
In May 2006, I ripped out my right rotator cuff and tore out my right knee.
Even after 2 surgeries, there is still at least one detached tendon in my right shoulder.  [No more damned “contrast MRIs” for this old pin cushion]
Soon thereafter, I tore out my left rotator cuff.
In no time, arthritis flared up and spread like kerosene on a wildfire.
Of course, along the way,
… I went from being very active with a lot of heavy physical
       workouts to being sedentary;
… I lost almost all strength, endurance, and muscle tone;
… and gained almost exactly 100#.

The surgeon who did the first right rotator cuff surgery says that this is over his head and he can’t do anymore; so he [and Workers’ Comp] sent me to another [super ortho] surgeon for a second opinion.
That surgeon says that I need another operation but he can’t / won’t do follow up for another surgeon.

The VA said that they would do the surgery but that they would take it [the cost] out of my retirement pay.
Later, when the pain got overwhelming; I went back to the VA. This time, they said that the arthritis was so bad that the surgery probably wouldn’t solve the problem; the next step is a shoulder replacement.

I would bet that there are a lot of folks like me, ... and a lot more coming [look at the "baby boom" demographics].
Additionally, more women are getting involved in shooting sports.
For us, 327 Fed Mag Blackhawks, or maybe 357 Mag Blackhawks are just about the upper limit.
By the time Ruger gets them on the market, I would bet that the demand will definitely be there.
 

[beerbelly]

Well I am 71 and a cylinder full of .44 mags, make me want quit and go sit some where. So I load them to .44 special loads. Fun to shoot and don't try to break my wrist!
 Here at the house it is loaded with full loads in case I need it.
                   Beerbelly

[BlkHawk73]

For deer and hogs, a 44 Mag is good but the recoil is substantial and ammo is expensive.   
Frankly it is just not fun for us broken down, senile geriatrics;     
and ... we are a looming demographic.   


For small game, coyotes, predators, and even pest control, a 357 Mag has much less recoil and the ammo is plentiful and the prices are almost reasonable.  It is a joy to reload for.             

The 327 Fed Mag would be even better still: no recoil and dirt cheap to reload for.     

  Reloading for the .57 is no different than reloading for the the .44 really and in doing so, one can tailor loads to lower levels and still retain adequate hunting performance.  The originally mentioned .41 Hunter got no mention here in the followup response though...   If it's recoil and cost as an issue with the .44, better not look at the .41 then as it's right there along side the .44 on both counts.
  As to a .327 Hunter...Unless it would get retooled for a mid-frame Hunter, a large framed .32 caliber Hunter is just not going to sell well.  For whatever reason, the same folks that clamor for more power and bigger calibers, also want every last ounce gone.  Large frame + small holes = heavy.   Can't see a whole new redesign and retooling for the mid-frame for this either.  Not a financial win there.   Of course, it's easy enough to scope a regular .327 or steps further with some of the better gunsmiths out there.

[Yes, 357_SIG]

The 7.5" Bisley Super Blackhawk in 44 mag is only 4 oz heavier than the 6.5" Blackhawk in 327 Fed Mag;
and has the scope mounts and rings in the box which saves hundreds of dollars in gunsmithing and parts.

When out of shape "flat - landers" are crawling up 12,000 ft Cochetope dome, dragging a 300 Win Mag like a broken travois;
... they all want a 21 oz .777 cal Super Magnum Silvertip Grizzly backup revolver.
When I finally got to the summit, if a myopic elk ever tripped over my exhausted carcass and broke his neck, ...
I had already planned to shove him over the edge of the south side bluff;
... forget the caping, quartering and packing out !
 
For those of us old timers, who actually want to shoot our blunderbuss on a regular basis, 4 oz more weight isn't always a bad thing.
 
It takes a lot less powder and lead for the medium bores, so reloading is less costly.
If you seriously download a 44, the ballistic coefficient makes a bowling ball look aerodynamic, and the trajectory drops like a brick.

The more that I get into this, the more that I am leaning toward the .357 mag.
In a large frame, heavy, single action revolver with a "plowshare" or Bisley grip, the .357 mag would be very manageable for almost anyone.

Also, there are probably more different bullets available in "357" than in 32, 41, and 44 combined.
It has been [embarrassingly] over 30 years since I have done any reloading, but I can remember "38" bullets from 110 grain to 200 grain.
In a pinch you could even load down to 80 grain 380acp or 90 grain 9mm.

A weak link in this exercise, is probably the availability of good bullets in 32 cal.
Unfortunately, I no longer have any reloading manuals, but I suspect that there aren't many.

[mrussel]

The 7.5" Bisley Super Blackhawk in 44 mag is only 4 oz heavier than the 6.5" Blackhawk in 327 Fed Mag;
and has the scope mounts and rings in the box which saves hundreds of dollars in gunsmithing and parts.

When out of shape "flat - landers" are crawling up 12,000 ft Cochetope dome, dragging a 300 Win Mag like a broken travois;
... they all want a 21 oz .777 cal Super Magnum Silvertip Grizzly backup revolver.
When I finally got to the summit, if a myopic elk ever tripped over my exhausted carcass and broke his neck, ...
I had already planned to shove him over the edge of the south side bluff;
... forget the caping, quartering and packing out !
 
For those of us old timers, who actually want to shoot our blunderbuss on a regular basis, 4 oz more weight isn't always a bad thing.
 
It takes a lot less powder and lead for the medium bores, so reloading is less costly.
If you seriously download a 44, the ballistic coefficient makes a bowling ball look aerodynamic, and the trajectory drops like a brick.

The more that I get into this, the more that I am leaning toward the .357 mag.
In a large frame, heavy, single action revolver with a "plowshare" or Bisley grip, the .357 mag would be very manageable for almost anyone.

Also, there are probably more different bullets available in "357" than in 32, 41, and 44 combined.
It has been [embarrassingly] over 30 years since I have done any reloading, but I can remember "38" bullets from 110 grain to 200 grain.
In a pinch you could even load down to 80 grain 380acp or 90 grain 9mm.

A weak link in this exercise, is probably the availability of good bullets in 32 cal.
Unfortunately, I no longer have any reloading manuals, but I suspect that there aren't many.

 Speer makes gold dots from 60 to 115 or so. Hornady makes XTPs in a similar range. The 60s are intended for 32ACP and the heavier ones for 327 fed. Other than that pickings are rather slim as far as I have seen.

[gs50401]

A while back I had a plain 6 1/2 inch new model blackhawk in .357.   It was a little heavy but accurate as heck. it had very moderate recoil, even with stout loads. They are very decent firearms.

Financial issues at the time forced me to sell it.