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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2010, 11:42:17 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on August 23, 2010, 12:21:56 PM
Gary,

Here's the numbers for the 250gr FTX, the higher BC is a little flatter shooting and has more energy at 200yds.

Tim

Trajectory for Custom .452 Hornady FTX 250gr at 1925 Feet per Second
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.21   0.21   0.21   0.21   0.21
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 1925   1925   1925   1925
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   1925.0   2056.7   2.14   0.0   -1.7   0.0   0.000000000
25   1837.2   1873.4   2.04   -0.3   0.43   0.0   0.039881766
50   1752.3   1704.1   1.95   -1.25   1.91   0.0   0.081683768
75   1670.3   1548.4   1.85   -2.9   2.68   0.0   0.125526225
100   1591.5   1405.8   1.77   -5.34   2.67   0.0   0.171530223
125   1516.2   1276.0   1.68   -8.63   1.81   0.0   0.219815983
150   1444.7   1158.5   1.60   -12.86   0.0   0.0   0.270496914
175   1377.3   1052.9   1.53   -18.14   -2.85   0.0   0.323673666
200   1314.4   958.9   1.46   -24.57   -6.85   0.0   0.379427038
225   1256.4   876.1   1.39   -32.25   -12.1   0.0   0.437806563
250   1203.6   804.1   1.34   -41.3   -18.73   0.0   0.498816949

Tim,

These loads you posted were for the 460 s&w and not the 45 long colt,correct?..........If they are for the long colt where are you getting the load data from?

I just loaded 23 gr. h-110 with 300gr hard cast lead bullet and am getting 1550fps,ten feet from the muzzle out of the little buff...even  the load data on the Hornady web sight for a 45lc FTX bullet max load out of a 20" Rossi lever is 1150fps...

That sounds like a great hunting load and I hope it is for the LC


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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2010, 02:09:48 PM »
That's TC/Ruger Colt data right out of Hodgdon's manual for the 250gr XTP with Lil'gun, I've shot 2 different bullets using it, the 250gr Speer GDHP and the 250gr Hornady SST muzzleloader bullet, both chrono'd ~1925fps from my CR-45 BC Carbine, I did go 1gr over their data, but I also loaded to a longer COL to get closer to the lands.

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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2010, 03:21:51 PM »
I just cant find anything even close to those velocitys in 45 long colt,on the Hodgdon website,.....the hottest Ruger,Freedom Arms,Thompson Center,load they list is a 250GR. XTP- 26.5 GR. H-110 powder running at 1455fps.

What edition is your manual? I am not trying to be obnoxious, I just want to know how I can get that kind of velocity out of a 45 long colt,and not blow my head off? I just cant find anything in any of my manuals that is close to that...Thanks
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2010, 03:40:42 PM »
Yeah, those are from a pistol barrel, I'm shooting a 20" rifle barrel!  ;D

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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2010, 04:04:32 PM »
That was the one thing Hodgdon didnt give was the barrel length,but even at 50fps per inch, it never added up on any of my other manuals......1680fps was the most I could come up with a Contender load out of the Nosler manual,it had a 12" barrel at 1281fps and I added 50fps per inch of barrel..... = 1681 fps

I will have to do some experimenting it looks like.......
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2010, 04:16:07 PM »
Good article on Colt loading and with Reloader7 it states over 2200fps from a browning lever gun which gains some barrel length, but that's smokin' for this big ole bullet.  See bottom of article:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/45coltlevergun.htm  

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There is a whole world of surprises waiting the reloader using the rifle powder ReL#7 in the 45 long Colt case for rifles. (Rifle powder not #7 pistol powder) With the 260 Keith I start with 25 grains and work up. I want anybody that wants to try it...to work up slowly so I’m not giving the top load..but the top velocity from the Winchester is 1800 to top end 2000 fps. And in the Browning 1892 action it will reach nearly 2200 fps or more and a SK of 82. Go slow with mag/pistol primers, and ReL#7 and because of it’s slow burn rate, it gives great velocities. H4227 is the other really good powder, but obviously not as slow as ReL#7.
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2010, 04:20:22 PM »
Hodgdon data is from a 7¼" barrel, if you pick up a Hodgdon Annual for $8-$9, you'll have all the info needed for their loads.

Tim
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2010, 04:43:47 PM »
 Thanks tacklebury, thats exactly what I was looking for,but I doubt you will find those loads in anybodys manual,so my H110 load is right in the ballpark at 1550.....Who needs a 45/70 :-\
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2010, 05:18:34 PM »
Everyone needs at least one 45-70!!  ;D

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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2010, 05:25:54 PM »
Yah, I've done the H-110 route, but it kicks a LOT more than the RL7 load and the RL7 gets better velocity or sensed recoil anyway.  8)
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2010, 05:54:39 PM »
I have 8# of H-110 though,that I have to use up,never have used RL-7 before but I have read that it works well in the 30 rooskie also,

SO YOU THINK THE MUZZLE BLAST IS LESS WITH RL-7 THAN H110? CAN HARDLY HEAR YA.....
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2010, 06:41:49 PM »
Wow that's a lotta H-110.  lol   :o
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2010, 07:09:22 PM »
Yeah got tired of buying it by the pound,Lets see here 23gr. per round...Thats about 304 rounds per pound x 8 # = about 2432 rounds,,lets see about 300 rounds an hour on the Dillon 550,Yep 8 hours on the press,(for me thats like 3 days) and I should be set for the weekend ;D
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2010, 07:16:24 PM »
To throw another load in there, I use the 250 XTP with 25.5 gr of Lil'Gun and get 1880 fps from my 45LC carbine. Pretty accurate until the barrel gets nice hot.  ;)
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2010, 07:32:07 PM »
I have a pound of Lil'gun I will have to try it,have to get me some hornady's though....Thanks
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2010, 10:17:36 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on August 26, 2010, 05:18:34 PM
Everyone needs at least one 45-70!!  ;D

Tim
+1 on that! I almost didn't know there was another caliber. 45/70 from mice to elephants.
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2010, 12:50:05 PM »
 I do have one,but I dont shoot it much,.. its a trapdoor,.........I really want the big brother to the Little Buff.....then all the planets will be aligned..and I will be at piece,...until the wife finds out.. then my dream will turn into a nightmare ;)
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »
Quote from: 450mar on August 27, 2010, 12:50:05 PM
I do have one,but I dont shoot it much,.. its a trapdoor,.........I really want the big brother to the Little Buff.....then all the planets will be aligned..and I will be at piece,...until the wife finds out.. then my dream will turn into a nightmare ;)

Would be a nice addition I promise.  8)  I have that one too and mine shoots sub moa with iron sights.  8)  Was a couple called fliers which are marked.  8)


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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2010, 01:04:22 PM »
STOP IT!!!! I am still in the doghouse over the Little Buff with the wife......I cant look at target porn anymore,gives me impure thoughts :P :P

Man what do you have to do to get a picture on this sight,never had such a hard time,do I have to have my own website?
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2010, 01:14:20 PM »
I have two 45-70 BCs and just bought another barrel which I haven't decide what to do with yet, maybe 45-90, one of the BCs has been a 45-120 since 2005, the other is scoped with a Bushnell 10x40, this is what it can do at 100yds when you leave the old eyes out of the equation. The second is a 200yd target from the 45-120 using the Williams FP-TK sight and the 525gr BTB Piledriver at 1700fps, I made a sight adjustment after the first shot at 11 O'clock.

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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2010, 01:20:28 PM »
 Alright thats enough of that,,you guys are going to cause a divorce..enough already
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2010, 01:21:05 PM »
Quote from: 450mar on August 27, 2010, 01:04:22 PM
STOP IT!!!! I am still in the doghouse over the Little Buff with the wife......I cant look at target porn anymore,gives me impure thoughts :P :P

Man what do you have to do to get a picture on this sight,never had such a hard time,do I have to have my own website?

If you go to the forum index, just down a little bit is a link to my free pic hosting.  Just make a username and password and then upload your pics.  The 3rd box down on uploaded pics gives you what you need for the forum code.  Just click in the box and copy, then paste into your message.  Hope this helps.  8)
Here's a link if you prefer too.  8)  Shoulda thought of that.  ;)
https://www.gboreloaded.com/mhp/
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2010, 01:22:25 PM »
I think I'm just permanently in the doghouse over guns.  8D  I just got back 2 of the ones I sold in 1997 last night.  LOL
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also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.

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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2010, 01:24:16 PM »
Yeah I did,registered for an account, when I try to upload picts, it just acts busy then stops loading with no pics.???????
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2010, 01:28:10 PM »
Complete pic posting help can be found in the FAQs and in all classified forums, you don't need to host pics elsewhere if they're small enough to attach, the GBO owned and administered(by me) MHP is free. The biggest problem most members have in posting pics is they don't know how to reduce the size of the pics their camera takes, then they must be resized, the link below has a link to a free photo resizer if you can't figured out how to change the size of pics your camera takes, 640x480 works great for attaching pics and posting on forums.

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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2010, 01:36:14 PM »
Right on Tim.  8)  Another really nice free photo editor I've been using since it's inception in like 1996 or so is Xnview.  Does one of the best jobs of resizing without pixelating.  8)  Just another option anyway.  8)  It is possible to use a site like:

http://imageshack.us/

Which I use with some other sites that don't offer hosting as graciously as Greybeards does.  8)
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2010, 05:11:15 PM »
Lets see here did it work if it did... here are the chamber tightening screws, next to the Buff
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2010, 05:17:11 PM »
Congrats Man! 8)
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2010, 06:35:35 PM »
Quote from: 450mar on August 27, 2010, 05:11:15 PM
Lets see here did it work if it did... here are the chamber tightening screws, next to the Buff

Congrats!! One more screw and you can mount the scope rail!!  :D

Tim
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Re: 45LC Buff Classic
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2010, 06:01:29 PM »
Has anyone tried the Hornady factory .45LC 225gr FTX loads? I did today and the cases were heavily sooted. Box says velocity is only 960fps. :( Guess I will load my own, powerful loads.

Thanks, Dinny
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