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Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« on: August 23, 2010, 11:01:58 AM »
the lie the Democrats spread that it was Bush's war for oil that ruined the economy exposed, it was the Dem's spending

Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
By Randall Hoven

The Iraq War ends this month. The last combat brigade left August 19. Operation Iraqi Freedom, which began in 2003, will end August 31. September 1 marks the beginning of Operation New Dawn. Now that it's over, what did the Iraq War cost?


Here are examples of what some people had been saying about Iraq War costs.
"It was under Mr Bush that the deficit spiralled out of control as we fought an unnecessary and endless $3,000bn war in Iraq..."
 - James Carville, the Financial Times.


"The Iraq adventure has seriously weakened the U.S. economy, whose woes now go far beyond loose mortgage lending. You can't spend $3 trillion -- yes, $3 trillion -- on a failed war abroad and not feel the pain at home."
 - Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz, The Washington Post.


"First, the facts. Nearly the entire deficit for this year and those projected into the near and medium terms are the result of three things: the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Bush tax cuts and the recession. The solution to our fiscal situation is: end the wars..."  
 - Christopher Hayes, The Nation.
The correct answer to my question, according to the Congressional Budget Office, is $709 billion. The Iraq War cost $709 billion. Why Carville, Bilmes, and Nobel-winning economist Stiglitz thought the answer was $3 trillion is anybody's guess. But what's a 323% error among friends?


The CBO breaks that cost down over the eight calendar years of 2003-2010. Below is a picture of federal deficits over those years with and without Iraq War spending.

Sources: CBO and U.S. Statistical Abstract (see below).


Just for grins, use the above chart to dissect Christopher Hayes' statement that our current and future deficits are caused by "three things: the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Bush tax cuts and the recession."


Two of those three things -- the wars and tax cuts -- were in effect from 2003 through 2007. Do you see alarming deficits or trends from 2003 through 2007 in the above chart? No. In fact, the trend through 2007 is shrinking deficits. What you see is a significant upward tick in 2008, and then an explosion in 2009. Now, what might have happened between 2007 and 2008, and then 2009?


Democrats taking over both houses of Congress, and then the presidency, was what happened. Republicans wrote the budgets for the fiscal years through 2007. Congressional Democrats wrote the budgets for FY 2008 and on. When the Democrats also took over the White House, they immediately passed an $814-billion "stimulus." (The $814 billion figure is from the same CBO report as the Iraq War costs. See sources at end of article.)


The sum of all the deficits from 2003 through 2010 is $4.73 trillion. Subtract the entire Iraq War cost and you still have a sum of $4.02 trillion.


No one will say that $709 billion is not a lot of money. But first, that was spread over eight years. Secondly, let's put that in some perspective. Below are some figures for those eight years, 2003 through 2010.


Total federal outlays: $22,296 billion.
Cumulative deficit: $4,731 billion.
Medicare spending: $2,932 billion.
Iraq War spending: $709 billion.
The Obama stimulus: $572 billion.


There is an important note to go along with that Obama stimulus number: the stimulus did not even start until 2009. By 2019, the CBO estimates the stimulus will have cost $814 billion.


If we look only at the Iraq War years in which Bush was President (2003-2008), spending on the war was $554B. Federal spending on education over that same time period was $574B.


So the following are facts, based on the government's own figures.


Obama's stimulus, passed in his first month in office, will cost more than the entire Iraq War -- more than $100 billion (15%) more.
Just the first two years of Obama's stimulus cost more than the entire cost of the Iraq War under President Bush, or six years of that war.
Iraq War spending accounted for just 3.2% of all federal spending while it lasted.
Iraq War spending was not even one quarter of what we spent on Medicare in the same time frame.
Iraq War spending was not even 15% of the total deficit spending in that time frame. The cumulative deficit, 2003-2010, would have been four-point-something trillion dollars with or without the Iraq War.
The Iraq War accounts for less than 8% of the federal debt held by the public at the end of 2010 ($9.031 trillion).
During Bush's Iraq years, 2003-2008, the federal government spent more on education that it did on the Iraq War. (State and local governments spent about ten times more.)
I've written elsewhere that the Iraq War was totally justified and even executed reasonably well. But even if you believe otherwise, there is no reasonable case that can be made to say it caused grave economic woes then or now.


Not only do the critics of the Iraq War make 300% errors in their numbers, but they also contradict themselves with abandon. When Obama was pushing he stimulus, he said,


Then you get the argument, "well this is not a stimulus bill, this is a spending bill." Whaddya think a stimulus is? (Laughter.) That's the whole point. No, seriously. (Laughter.) That's the point. (Applause.)


So spending $572B in two years stimulates an economy, but spending $554B over six years ruins one?


Aren't these also the same folks who tell us how well JFK and LBJ ran the economy back in the roaring '60s? During the eight years of 1961-69, 46% of all federal spending was on national defense. During President Bush's eight years, defense spending did not even average 20% of federal outlays. Under JFK/LBJ, defense spending was 8%-9% of GDP. Under Bush, it was about 4%.


How did the economy do so well in the 1960s, and so badly in the 2000s, when less than half as much of our resources were devoted to defense in that more recent term?


The questions are rhetorical. Defense spending, and the Iraq War in particular, was not the cause of our economic problems. I don't care if you hear it from James Carville, Ron Paul, or a Nobel Prize-winning economist. It is a lie.


Randall Hoven is the creator of Graph of the Day. He can be contacted at randall.hoven@gmail.com or via his website, randallhoven.com.


[Data sources: All data for 2009 and later are from the CBO's recent budget outlook (pdf here). For an accounting of Iraq war spending, see Box 1-3 of that report. For an accounting of stimulus spending, see Box 1-2 of that report. For summary federal budget numbers in 2009 and later, see Table 1 of that report.


Federal budget figures through 2008 are from the U.S. Statistical Abstract. See Table 457 for overall spending and deficit levels, Table 458 for debt levels, and Tables 459 and 461 for spending in specific categories.]


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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 11:06:40 AM »
Iraq is but one battle field in a world wide war. It is far from won and far from over .
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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 11:09:06 AM »
We may very well go broke ! They use low tech read cheap ways and we use high tech read expensive . Add the fact that Govt. is pizzing away money faster than it can be printed we live in dangerous times.
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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 11:14:48 AM »
Thanks for the most interesting article.
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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 11:35:09 AM »
Good read. It's still all Bush's fault if you are a reporter or a democrat though.  ;D

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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 12:29:40 PM »
The 700 billion he's talking about are only the direct combat costs.

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion dollars by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen.[9][10]

Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, has stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, and possibly more in the most recent published study, published in March 2008.
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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 02:13:09 PM »
Neutron bombs are much,much cheaper. Sadam whosayin' and his boys were killin thousands of muzzies a year, what was the problem?

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2010, 02:43:12 PM »
Saddam was giving any camel jockey that would board a bus full of people in Israel and blow themselves up $50,000.00.  Saddam kept violating the treaty he signed with us by shooting at our planes.  We did the right thing but it cost a few bucks.  He wanted to be the Hitler of the middle east.
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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2010, 02:47:57 PM »
Without the war deficit we might not have needed the stimulus and could have saved a pile.

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2010, 02:57:54 PM »
Saddam was giving any camel jockey that would board a bus full of people in Israel and blow themselves up $50,000.00.  Saddam kept violating the treaty he signed with us by shooting at our planes.  We did the right thing but it cost a few bucks.  He wanted to be the Hitler of the middle east.

Just remember , Saddham was a bad guy sure . But he was our bad guy when it served our best interests.
The U.S. embraced Saddam Hussein in the early 1980's and provided intelligence and aid to ensure Iraq would not be defeated by Iran, and we even sent a high-level presidential envoy (a much younger Donald Rumsfeld) to shake hands with Saddam in December of 1983.



I never understood the Iraq war , If the objective was to remove Saddham, it was nothing a lone sniper could have not accomplished. If it was to get an opportunity to play with all our new military Toys  -  well there ya go.

And weren't they suppose to pay for this regime change by turning on the taps? by my uneducated estimate shouldn't
gas be about 75 cents a gallon by now.  -  go figure

I remember when everyone was making a huge deal regarding this pic as well



But lets not forget this one.



It's true what they say politics makes strange bedfellows.

Hello ??????  Washington, let me clue you in on something..... Dems , Rep, and progressives alike .... Saudi Arabia was not before , is not now , nor will they ever be our friend.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 06:31:59 PM »
Yep, I know about the rewards he was giving to bombers and funding to other scum bags, the u.n. treaty violations and all. You're right, a sniper team could have accomplished the job. May have been a one way trip though. I am pro "deal with the enemies" but, it takes 9 years? The allies defeated nazi germany in four? A military that was a heck of alot harder than the iraq army. I do believe we did the right thing, but did it the mamby pamby way instead of total warfare. I guess I'm sayin that the USA needs to refigure their policies of warfare. There is absolutely NO WAY any nation is going to influence the tribal cultures of iraq,iran, afghanistan,and etc. The Brits tried and failed. Entered into tribal squabbles, got the problem quieted down, left back to their compounds and 6 months later it was back to squabbling again with the tribe of choice. I do not believe that any nation will bring peace and harmony to that particular region. Ever. Peace and democracy are touted as the way to bring an end to the tribal squabbles. Democracy? These people don't even know what a magna carta is,let alone democracy. The only way to deal with an enemy like that is to conduct warfare in their style. Civil wars will sort themselves out. If they attack us, we should eliminate their ability to conduct warfare for a few generations. Its all they will understand.  IMO anywho.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 04:17:23 AM »
yep ..interesting info..tommy.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 04:47:59 AM »
Good post Pat/Rick.
I remember when I first heard that we were going into Iraq I just felt sick. I didn't have a problem taking out Saddam, but to think that we could do a nation building project or somehow change those barbaric people into a civilized democracy was just foolish. After all this time and the cost of life and money, those people will be the same as they were before, or worse, the day after we leave. If we ever do!
We should have just pounded Saddam's palace while he slept and knocked out the military bases and left. It would have had the same effect and Iraq would look the same as it will when we leave. We have just been going thru the motions for nothing for the last 9yrs.

BTW, There was WMDs in Iraq. Saddam moved them to Syria before they were found. They moved them under the guise of humanitarian aid after Israel pounded Syria for messing with them. They have satellite photos of the truck convoys. It is well known in the Muslim circles and converted ex-Muslims have told the story, but no one listens. Anyone wonder why Syria all of a sudden is threatening Israel with chemical weapons now? It's because they got them from Saddam.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 05:29:10 AM »
BTW, There was WMDs in Iraq. Saddam moved them to Syria before they were found. They moved them under the guise of humanitarian aid after Israel pounded Syria for messing with them. They have satellite photos of the truck convoys. It is well known in the Muslim circles and converted ex-Muslims have told the story, but no one listens. Anyone wonder why Syria all of a sudden is threatening Israel with chemical weapons now? It's because they got them from Saddam.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 06:10:20 AM »
Thanks saddlebum. I have heard the reports of weapons that have been sent to syria, and frankly I believe that is what happened. Remember the reports of the freighter that left iraq before the "invasion". That was only in the news for a couple of days. Then it magically disapeared. IMO the press covered that up themselves.Maybe with instructions of the state dept? It was during the time that our port's security was getting bad press. Slanted news is still propoganda. Case in point, how many days was the bombed US embassys in africa in the news? Couldn't do anything to make komerade klinton look bad. I agree with you that a simoultaneous strike on sadmans palaces would of been a good place to start. Reagen sure did shut kadaafi up with that method. Apparently he (kadaafi)understands the "Bomb in your house" writings. Either way, the league of nations should have stayed out of the border disputes/concerns after WWI. The only interests they were looking out for is a collective attempt at empire building and securing their petroleum needs for the future. The league of nations (now the u.n.) screwed up in yugoslavia and the commies moved in.klinton bombed yugoslavia hoping the muzzies would give the US pipeline right of way for a tanker port on the med. russia got that as well. next stop georgia, another deep water port, russia spanked georgia and burned US equipment on the dock. The US needs to stick with a more jeffersonian doctrine and trade with all and become embroiled with none. IMO of course.

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 06:48:30 AM »
Yes, and I remember all too well how all the top Dumocrats were condeming Saddam and saying how he had to be taken down.  That is, until GWB actually started to do it--then they couldn't get on the other side of it fast enough.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 06:50:58 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2010, 06:58:04 AM »
Very  interesting!
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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2010, 09:47:49 AM »

Saddam was giving any camel jockey that would board a bus full of people in Israel and blow themselves up $50,000.00.  Saddam kept violating the treaty he signed with us by shooting at our planes.  We did the right thing but it cost a few bucks.  He wanted to be the Hitler of the middle east.

Just remember , Saddham was a bad guy sure . But he was our bad guy when it served our best interests.
The U.S. embraced Saddam Hussein in the early 1980's and provided intelligence and aid to ensure Iraq would not be defeated by Iran, and we even sent a high-level presidential envoy (a much younger Donald Rumsfeld) to shake hands with Saddam in December of 1983.


I never understood the Iraq war , If the objective was to remove Saddham, it was nothing a lone sniper could have not accomplished. If it was to get an opportunity to play with all our new military Toys  -  well there ya go.

And weren't they suppose to pay for this regime change by turning on the taps? by my uneducated estimate shouldn't
gas be about 75 cents a gallon by now.  -  go figure




It's true what they say politics makes strange bedfellows.

Hello ??????  Washington, let me clue you in on something..... Dems , Rep, and progressives alike .... Saudi Arabia was not before , is not now , nor will they ever be our friend.

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2010, 10:37:14 AM »
We should not have went to Iraq.  But it had nothing to do with the way congress spends money.  Nobody could ever prove they would have "saved" that money if not for Iraq, but we all can prove they spend much more than have many times over no matter what the circumstances.  Case closed.  Spending problems are a sickness, there is no senario that works out when your really sick with this problem.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2010, 12:20:16 PM »
Anyone seen the movie Swordfish? That's how terrorism should be dealt with. As far as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan go....anyone remember a little country named the U.S.S.R?  Wonder what happened to them...  Oh yeah, they broke their moral and their economy on a little, hole in the wall country named Afghanistan. 

The US needs to go back to a "Walk softly and carry a BIG STICK" foreign policy.  Let's get all those soldiers and sailors back on our soil, offer a career reservist plan and put 75% of them on our borders at equivalent pay grades.  Crap hits the fan? Call in whatever is needed from the border and send them for the month it takes to bomb whoever messed with us back to the stone ages, then bring them home, throw a party, then put the boys and girls back on our border. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2010, 06:46:32 PM »
dod and cia are just like any other gooberment agency. They only release what they want "known". You know, the gooberment that so willingly paid off the extortion demands of the banking system. They are all crooks,thiefs and liars. troops on the ground in gannistan and the goat herders are still growing poppies. Got to fund the cia somehow.

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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2010, 03:14:10 AM »
Funny no one mentioned the housing fruad . When you look at the billions of inflated value that morgage holders were paying then see it fall apart leaving at best 2/3's the value of the housing in this country , You can't help but see how wealth vanished along with the taxes not to mention the loans the govt was left holding . Keep in mind Govt spends what the private section produces . They may spend ahead by printing money but the earnings of the private section pays in the long run . when you devalue something like the realestate holdings of Americans you cut the value of earnings to the bone in many cases.
And it looks like we are going the same route again already , HOW DUMB CAN WE BE ?
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2010, 03:33:27 AM »
The U.S. is like a goliath. Can take a beating on the outside, and come back for more. It's the cancer on the inside that will take it down. gypsyman
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2010, 03:36:50 AM »
I seem to remember some russian saying just that back in the day .  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2010, 03:43:18 AM »
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the UN Inspection teams never found any WMD

Of course they didn't.  They never take the side of the right.
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2010, 03:55:26 AM »
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the UN Inspection teams never found any WMD

Of course they didn't.  They never take the side of the right.

And how many weeks went by before they looked ? hummmmmmmm
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2010, 09:01:05 AM »
so well over a year went by ! you could hide Norfolk navel base in a years time
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2010, 10:18:48 AM »
so well over a year went by ! you could hide Norfolk navel base in a years time

Don't think so. Real intell can read the date on a dime from outerspace, look into buildings, see thru clouds and buildings, monitor -hear- see just about anything. Nuclear materials give off signatures.  Mossad buys and intimidates people. The treasure caravan to Syria didn't start until just before the invasion. Gulf war 1 monitored Iraq's borders exactly. I want to correct myself...Blix and Ritter's inspectors were there at least 18 months before the USA invaded again. What Syria likely got was treasures, historical documents, wealth, antiquities and some RDX and other explosives....don't know about Russian involvement since they have always been more involved with Iracq's enemy...Iran, since we blew a relationship with Iran during the Shah-Mossadegha days.

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Re: Iraq: The War That Broke Us -- Not
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2010, 01:45:41 PM »
TM7,
I'm not "for" or "against" the Iraq war, but the fact remains that Saddam didn't comply with the cease fire agreements from  Gulf War 1.  The fact that we had to go to war to discover "nothing" doesn't invalidate the truth that Saddam and his cronies constantly harassed, delayed, and misdirected the inspectors.  Had he gone along and allowed full access then we wouldn't have had a legal leg to use for this war.  Instead, he would keep a broom closet locked and make them go through weeks of legal channels, diplomats, and idiocy just to open the door and find..... brooms.  Or he would send them to the wrong plant, then when they got the to plant they were supposed to be at their "appointment" would be expired, etc...   The boy baited the bear and got bit.

Personally, I think the man and regime had it coming to them from his gassing 300,000 of his own people. I do disagree with the way we went about the war and our continued presence and meddling in the region.  It's also a fact the Saddam was a secular leader who detested and was threatened by religious extremists (aka Al'qaeda, Taliban.)  He paid suicide bombers just to piss off Israel, no because he actually supported them. 
This that I do, I do by my own free will.