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DAGNABBIT !
« on: August 25, 2010, 06:40:01 AM »
  Those Jehovah's Witnesses are at it again...or was it the Seventh Day Adventists? Roadrunner & Wylie coyote ?

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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 06:52:29 AM »
when the cats away the mice will play !
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 07:15:30 AM »
IRONGLOW. I'm gonna take up a collection to buy you some new glasses. I hate to tell you this but the murders were done by other muslims. With American troops leaving there will be less to kill so the Godless ones have no choice but to murder their own kind. Spilling blood is the reason they live, doesn't matter whose it is. POWDERMAN.  :P :P
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 07:52:06 AM »
Darn, and I thought I would get to tell of my trials and tribulations with the Jehovah's Witnesses that used to come to my door.  Of course they don't come to my house anymore since the third time I fired a shotgun out the garage door as they walked up.  Guess I'm on their Black List.

Muslims have been killing muslims since before Mohammid.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 08:13:25 AM »
IRONGLOW. I'm gonna take up a collection to buy you some new glasses. I hate to tell you this but the murders were done by other muslims. With American troops leaving there will be less to kill so the Godless ones have no choice but to murder their own kind. Spilling blood is the reason they live, doesn't matter whose it is. POWDERMAN.  :P :P

  C'mon Powderman, no way..I have to collect for a new hearing aid for you...   How many times have we heard, "Islam is the religion of peace"..
   All love & sugar you know.. :D   Just look how this old muslim guy "loves" his 12 year old "wife".

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 08:32:17 AM »
It's funny how AP doggedly claims it's insurgents killing innocent Iraqis just trying to get on with their lives. Nope, it's Iraqis; it's not insurgent led, it's tribal/local politics. The Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Police are itching to go toe to toe. And there are plenty of tribal militias waiting for the signal from their Sheikh. Insurgents may arm and exploit the tension, but this is plain ol' range war. We manned, trained & equipped all factions in our move to create a democracy on top of a tribal culture, the tribes played along.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 08:42:17 AM »
It's funny how AP doggedly claims it's insurgents killing innocent Iraqis just trying to get on with their lives. Nope, it's Iraqis; it's not insurgent led, it's tribal/local politics. The Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Police are itching to go toe to toe. And there are plenty of tribal militias waiting for the signal from their Sheikh. Insurgents may arm and exploit the tension, but this is plain ol' range war. We manned, trained & equipped all factions in our move to create a democracy on top of a tribal culture, the tribes played along.

Yep,Lives and limbs of servicemen. Now your money via way of taxes to financial aid. That should keep 'em fed and in arms for awhile to come. No nation will ever go into that region and make a unified country. I don't care what kind of degrees our politicos and military staff officers have. They have ignored the most important lesson of all. History. Thinking that they can change it is, well, stupidity.

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 08:49:53 AM »
they were in a 3 sided civil war when we went in and all we did was take out the guy that could keep them in line the only way it could be done short of exterminating everyone. When we pull out they will finish .
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 10:22:14 AM »
The most recent headline I caught indicates that Iraqi Police are being targeted by suicide bombers ... the IP are primarily Sunni, while the IA are primarily Shia. The "plan" when I was there 06 to 08 was to use the public roles as a means to integrate, akin to putting black FBI officers in the deep South in the 50s and expecting everyone to get along. The Shia don't think the police are fair, and the Sunni aren't particularly interested in equal justice under the law for Shia. And the Judges are tribal appointments by local Sheikhs, most of whom would make Don Corleone look like an Altar Boy. Iraqi Democracy is the Sheikh tells you who gets to vote and for whom.

Meanwhile, Petraeus is convinced that reconciliation will work in Afghanistan ... a country with an ancient history of violence in the absence of forgiveness, which is the critical requirement for reconciliation. Ok, tell us how US Military are going to bring about a fundamental change in the heart of a culture that has resisted foreign influence for millenia.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 10:24:44 AM »
sorta like affirmative action in this country has worked so well ?
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 11:34:35 AM »
IRONGLOW. Come on now, she's his property, he can do whatever he wants with her, after all, she's female. I can't say woman cause she's only 12 years old, BUT, look on the bright side, at least she's not 9 years old like mohameds blushing bride was, this ones almost an old maid.  POWDERMAN.   ::) ::)
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2010, 11:57:45 AM »
The most recent headline I caught indicates that Iraqi Police are being targeted by suicide bombers ... the IP are primarily Sunni, while the IA are primarily Shia. The "plan" when I was there 06 to 08 was to use the public roles as a means to integrate, akin to putting black FBI officers in the deep South in the 50s and expecting everyone to get along. The Shia don't think the police are fair, and the Sunni aren't particularly interested in equal justice under the law for Shia. And the Judges are tribal appointments by local Sheikhs, most of whom would make Don Corleone look like an Altar Boy. Iraqi Democracy is the Sheikh tells you who gets to vote and for whom.

Meanwhile, Petraeus is convinced that reconciliation will work in Afghanistan ... a country with an ancient history of violence in the absence of forgiveness, which is the critical requirement for reconciliation. Ok, tell us how US Military are going to bring about a fundamental change in the heart of a culture that has resisted foreign influence for millenia.
I don't know that Dave Patraeus is convinced that reconciliation will work as much as he is following orders. Or maybe  believing that his instruction in global affairs is right as much as he is following orders. He is aware of the history of the area, and left solely to his own judgement I doubt that he would of picked this particular theater of operation knowing the tribally disputed past. he is a smart guy, but he is also a soldier's soldier and will follow his orders. I don't know his current politics, but I sure do remember him as a level headed guy. I will trust him until he prooves he can't be.

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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2010, 12:33:05 PM »
Pat/Rick, I've only met Petraeus once personally, at the memorial service for my BC in Fallujah, but I served under his policies on 2 tours in Iraq. He is a smart man, well educated and definitely exposed to alot of cultural insight, and I too was hopeful. But having been around a lot of smart men, well educated, and culturally astute, there are schools of bias within those as well, and I believe Petraeus has bought into a politically expedient fiction - a very popular one, and a comforting one. In my role I have witnessed countless smart, strong, experienced warriors buy into small fictions to make them feel better about what they do. I can understand it at the personal level, but not at the level of policy.

If you consider his policies in Iraq, it was based on the belief that the way ahead for Iraq was reconciliation between the factions, under the umbrella of a western democracy. While that may be true, that Iraq should reconcile, this thread started with a link to an article that disputes its relationship with reality. To then take that same concept and overlay it over an even more politically fragmented region (Iraqis at least understood cooperation under an iron fist) expecting different results is just ... well, crazy.

I think the world would be a better place if everyone came to Jesus ... lots of folks do. That is not however a wise guiding thought for the development of national security strategy and policies in theater given present reality, and definitely not an appropriate use of military power. I humbly suggest that the odds of reconciliation in Afghanistan or Iraq are on par with the odds that the same two countries would convert to Christianity en masse.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2010, 01:06:22 PM »
TeamNelson, D.Patraeus was my Plt Ldr in '75-'76 and that is how I remember him anyway. It would be sad to find out he has bought into a more political view camp. I would honestly say, Nooooooo! it can't be true!! Guess its a denial thing LOL! I have kind of been following his career the last few years and have been seeing the transformation for lack of a better term, and have wondered if he is getting to close to PC outlooks. I sure do appreciate your current and honest views and experiences. Mostly I thank you and your fellow vets for having the guts to put on a uniform, thankyou for serving.Take care

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2010, 01:59:31 PM »
I humbly suggest that the odds of reconciliation in Afghanistan or Iraq are on par with the odds that the same two countries would convert to Christianity en masse.



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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2010, 04:51:26 PM »
TN that's an easy one to solve, pick one side, arm and equip them and encourage them to wipe out the others. Simple and effective. Death is the most effective way to silence opposition.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2010, 10:52:04 PM »
billy, I think you put in very succinct terms the natural process that would've occurred if we had just taken Saddam, then left the keys on the ground and left. It works well as long as we remain stronger than the biggest rat; those days are over.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 10:41:11 AM »
IRONGLOW. Come on now, she's his property, he can do whatever he wants with her, after all, she's female. I can't say woman cause she's only 12 years old, BUT, look on the bright side, at least she's not 9 years old like mohameds blushing bride was, this ones almost an old maid.  POWDERMAN.   ::) ::)

    It sure is heartbreaking to see the little girl suffer so. One wonders where her daddy and big brothers are..but that ios a different "culture" we are ordered bt the PC gang to be tolerant of.
  When she raises her little hands to show the knife wounds..her tiny fingers still have baby fat..
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2010, 11:30:16 AM »


    It sure is heartbreaking to see the little girl suffer so. One wonders where her daddy and big brothers are..but that ios a different "culture" we are ordered bt the PC gang to be tolerant of.
  When she raises her little hands to show the knife wounds..her tiny fingers still have baby fat..
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Very heartbreaking. And some americans preach tolerance to such actions by a culture of animalistic human beings(?). Oh well.

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2010, 01:25:06 PM »
IRONGLOW. Sad indeed, but the pantywetters say it's their right to abuse these children, and thats what they are, children. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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