cool, thought it was newer, theres just somthing about them , popped 3 coons yesterday with some old slugs, just to test my aim, 3 shots, 3 kills. no suffering. I hate to see anything suffer. But I TRAPPED THEM in a live trap mooved um 3 miles away, back again botherin my cats, nothing bothers my cats, in fact if you have a mole problem all you need is a good cat, well that and a PARDNER to keep the coons away from the cat) thanks for the response!