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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2010, 04:19:33 AM »
Be nice children........ :)
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« Reply #121 on: September 01, 2010, 05:46:37 AM »
that was mean ! ;D


Not really. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #122 on: September 01, 2010, 09:07:22 AM »
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #123 on: September 01, 2010, 09:37:26 AM »
Sorry for no more postings yesterday I was occupied the rest of yesterday with a funeral of my friend/lawyer after a sudden heart attack and dealing with issues of a close aunt that is in a coma after a stroke and is now in Hospice care. After reading the rest of the posts from yesterday Yellow Tail and myself are just spinning our wheels. I guess I am saying that we will have to agree to disagree. Apparently we all see things very differently. I come from a Mennonite background and I am active in the Mennonite church. Many of you may have heard of the Mennonite Disaster Service. When disasters strike the church does what needs to be done no matter what the background of the person(s) needing the help. Same for helping individuals in need. The church does not distinguish between illegals or legals, citizens or non-citizens, we just provide the help needed. This is how our church sees our Christian responsibilities to others. Maybe this will help to see where I come from whether you agree or not.
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The tax paying American citizens of California (what's left of us) are in need.  Illegal alien parasites are sucking up our taxes and stealing our jobs. Could your church please send help?

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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #124 on: September 01, 2010, 11:10:42 AM »
Guess that depends a bit. If your home is damaged by some disaster we will probably be right there even if you think we are freakin nuts. If you are truly in need look up the local Mennonite church and you will get help. No one will even ask for your citizenship papers party member card.
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« Reply #125 on: September 01, 2010, 12:24:57 PM »
  "We have room for but one flag...  We have room for but one language here, and that is the english language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American People."

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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #126 on: September 01, 2010, 12:50:56 PM »
  "We have room for but one flag...  We have room for but one language here, and that is the english language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American People."

  - Theodore Roosevelt,  1907



True words. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #127 on: September 01, 2010, 01:11:15 PM »
 
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by: guzzijohn   "If you are truly in need look up the local Mennonite church and you will get help."
That should be the purpose of any Christian based Church. 
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #128 on: September 01, 2010, 06:28:52 PM »
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This is the most intelligent post you have made yellow!

I cut down on the big words just for you.
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #129 on: September 02, 2010, 05:42:34 AM »
Funny thing about all these church goin folks.  They have money tied up in churches and camps etc.  Most of them live in homes bigger than they need.  Why is it they only want to donate some one elses money to help others. Oh, yes just look us up in the Yellow Pages we'll be right over.  Yes, they will be over to convert you to their cause and expect 10% of your income.  Better yet Brothers why not just post your address for the public.  Just say come and share everything I have my home and my tax exempt church property.  This would be the chrisitian thing to do. After all that is what you asking all Americans to do with their Home Land. :(
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #130 on: September 02, 2010, 07:29:44 AM »
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Funny thing about all these church goin folks.  They have money tied up in churches and camps etc.  Most of them live in homes bigger than they need.  Why is it they only want to donate some one elses money to help others. Oh, yes just look us up in the Yellow Pages we'll be right over.  Yes, they will be over to convert you to their cause and expect 10% of your income.  Better yet Brothers why not just post your address for the public.  Just say come and share everything I have my home and my tax exempt church property.  This would be the chrisitian thing to do. After all that is what you asking all Americans to do with their Home Land.
I can only speak to the Mennonite Church. Yes we have money tied up in churches and camps. If you take notice of most Mennonite Churches they are more simple and plain than most. Although not all follow it the doctrine of the church to the letter it (neither do all Catholics, Baptists, etc.) which is service and relativly simple living. When responding to a disaster or requested help money or donations are never ask for from the person(s) being served. They will also not hand out any literature or "preach" to anyone. Our actions are our witness. Money comes from church members and fund raisers. There is a major fund raiser in Kansas each year that is held at the state fair grounds that members donate homemade quilts, furniture and a number of other items. This last year a half a million dollars were raised. ALL of the procedes go to helping others, most outside of the church. I have always lived in houses that are below my means, all my vehicles have over 100K miles and except for some antique furniture and items which I have mostly inherited my home is simply furnished. I did not even own a color TV until the mid 1980s. I have a few toys including firearms and a motorcycle (which I paid $600 for and spent a year fixing up and it also has over 100K miles). Please watch your generalizations.
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #131 on: September 02, 2010, 07:33:43 AM »
Why is it they only want to donate some one elses money to help others.

I doubt that's an accurate description of these church gion folks - but then, I don't know the ones you're talking about. Are they people you personally know? What do they have to say?
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #132 on: September 02, 2010, 08:10:11 AM »
Why is everyone fighting about this crap? yeah you guys don't agree on something but this isn't an argument forum stop fighting over it and make up.
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #133 on: September 02, 2010, 08:31:34 AM »
Why is everyone fighting about this crap? yeah you guys don't agree on something but this isn't an argument forum stop fighting over it and make up.
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Where's the fun in that?   ;)  Seriously though, it would be a pretty boring (and probably short) thread if everyone just said "yep, I agree".
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #134 on: September 02, 2010, 08:36:40 AM »
Yeah myself I can't understand what everyone is arguing about. This was the best news I have heard in awhile. I just wish I'd hear these stories with happy endings more often.
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #135 on: September 02, 2010, 09:34:35 AM »
Funny thing about all these church goin folks.  They have money tied up in churches and camps etc.  Most of them live in homes bigger than they need.  Why is it they only want to donate some one elses money to help others. Oh, yes just look us up in the Yellow Pages we'll be right over.  Yes, they will be over to convert you to their cause and expect 10% of your income.  Better yet Brothers why not just post your address for the public.  Just say come and share everything I have my home and my tax exempt church property.  This would be the chrisitian thing to do. After all that is what you asking all Americans to do with their Home Land. :(

Very insightful Range Rider.  I've met many people who advocated letting in millions of third world primitives who just "want to work" and achieve a "better life", but none of those people were willing to give up their job  and become unemployed so that third world primitives could have a "better life."  They're great advocates of "worker permits"  so that aliens can take other Americans' jobs, but not their jobs.   They are willing to sacrifice their fellow Americans, but not themselves.  They profess guilt about how "we stole" American from Indians, Mexicans, etc., but none are willing to hand over the keys to their homes to  those Indians or Mexicans.  

This is mental illness. You cannot open the borders to third world primitives who practice polygamy subsidized by the dwindling number of American taxpayers who actually produce economic value and pay taxes.  Here in California, the tax consumers are quickly overwhelming the producers and tax payers and California is going bankrupt in large part for that reason. Mexican "immigrants" do work hard, but they work off the books for cash and do not pay taxes. They steal social security numbers and other identification from Americans and cause huge problems for them.  I have known of Mexicans who had multiple ID's, SSN's and who  were able to borrow large amounts of money and later go file bankruptcy and  walk away.    If you go to the Los Angeles Bankruptcy Court debtor hearings, 60-70%  of the bankrupts are Hispanics, many of whom testify through interpreters. They come illegally to the US and learn how to steal without even bothering to learn English.  Driving around LA you see Mexicans driving shiny new SUV's while Americans are hanging on by their fingernails.

A HIspanic ran into my car at a gas station. Thankfully, he had a drivers license and insurance, but he wanted to pay me for the minor damage without reporting to his insurance company. Guess what?  The personal check was in slightly different name than his driver's license.  The last name on his driver's license was the first name on the personal check with an entirely different last name, but the handwriting was the same. What does this mean?  It means this guy has  at least two sets of ID, two SSN's and that he "shelters" a large amount of cash income by spreading it among several taxpayer ID numbers.  That is what stupid, dull witted, minority loving  Americans  don't understand. The Hispanic culture is founded on lying, cheating, stealing and corruption and they don't play by the same rules we do.  They routinely cheat on taxes and evade other laws.  Most Americans who play by the rules are hanging on by their fingernails.

 If Americans do not wake up, they're doomed.  Productive, tax paying, law abiding Americans are being sucked dry by  taxes and a  welfare state that has relegated the rank and file American to the level of an indentured slave.  He works and pays taxes to subside third world parasites who do not pay taxes, but who consume huge amounts of public benefits.  

I wonder how many of the Americans who post on this site have multiple drivers' licenses, multiple tax payer ID numbers, who shelter cash income by spreading among those different identities, and who walk away from their debts  after filing bankruptcies under one or more of their different names?  

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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #136 on: September 02, 2010, 10:52:43 AM »
After the previous post I am posting the report that appears to be conveniently ignored again. Remember this was from Fox Business News:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/

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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #137 on: September 02, 2010, 11:06:35 AM »
After the previous post I am posting the report that appears to be conveniently ignored again. Remember this was from Fox Business News:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/

Interesting; thanks for posting. I doubt it'll make much of a dent with any who welcome news of murdered Mexicans, and with those who'd like to do a little themselves.
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #138 on: September 02, 2010, 11:28:32 AM »
I can't let some of these comments go without replying. About 10 miles South of me there is a Mennonite church, theres also a store close by that they run. They are a big asset to our community and have helped a lot of people in need. I know several personally and they are wonderful folks. An ice storm here a year ago last Jan pretty well crippled most of our state, some areas were without power for several months. During katrina a church group took several tons of much needed supplies to louisiana to help folks they didn't know and had never met. The area that church came from was one of the hardest hit. About a week, I believe less, afer the ice storm a caravan of trucks, vans, etc arrived from Louisiana loaded with desperately needed supplies including a truck of nothing but kerosene. It was from the same area that our folks helped, + volunteer workers.
So, all you that want to knock Christians and Churches go right ahead because there are a lot of good folks out there who still believe in doing Gods work. And yes, I give 10 %, it takes money to run a church and do Gods work. Without tithes, offerings, and donations churches could not help as many folks as they do. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #139 on: September 02, 2010, 11:34:41 AM »
WOW!!! Powderman and I are on the same page for once on a topic.
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« Reply #140 on: September 02, 2010, 11:50:57 AM »
After the previous post I am posting the report that appears to be conveniently ignored again. Remember this was from Fox Business News:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/

I read your report. Nice try.  Total B.S. as far as I'm concerned. I'm writing about California, but I can't believe Mexican criminality is that much different in AZ or in TX.

 The idea that illegals contribute more in taxes than in services they use is just nonsense.  Most don't make enough to pay either state or federal  income taxes and many who do divide their income among different ID's and SSN's so that they are able to escape  income taxes, if they even bother to file tax returns at all.   The  bald statement that illegal aliens pay  federal, state and local income taxes is just a lie.  They don't. For starters, Texas and Nevada don't even have personal state income taxes. California and Arizona do and tax evasion with the all cash underground economy and multiple tax ID numbers is rampant.  

These business reports  conveniently ignore the fact that cheap Mexican labor is cheap, in substantial part,  because  of avoidance of tax and other laws. Illegal alien employers  frequently don't withhold taxes, SSN, FICA, etc., don't pay overtime and don't pay for worker's compensation insurance. When their  cheap Mexican workers are injured on the job, they're driven down to the  county hospital for  "free" medical care and the taxpayers foot the bill. Mexicans not only steal American jobs, they steal American public services as well and participate in the climate of corruption. 


 As for the argument that property taxes and sales taxes are "unavoidable", this is drivel.  Sales taxes are avoidable. In California, groceries and medicines are not taxed.  Neither is Aid to dependent children, free public education and free healthcare.  In addition, there is a huge Mexican underground economy that does not pay taxes of any kind including sales taxes, income taxes, etc.   Just go to downtown Los Angeles or many other California towns  and this you can see this "underground" economy operating in plain sight.  No sales taxes, no payroll taxes, no worker's compensation, etc....and no enforcement either.  Mexicans just ignore the law and our pro-Mexican, occupation government looks the other way.   It's like a country within a country.

However, when they need schooling, healthcare, etc., they go to taxpayer funded public schools and the county hospitals that are funded by Americans who actually obey the law and pay taxes.  

 It's true that property taxes are assessed against real property on a parcel basis, but so what.  Mexicans routinely have from 2 - 5 families living in a single dwelling.  There have been single family homes in L.A. with 30-40 people living in them.  They convert their garages to dormatories to rent out to transients (and park their cars on the street, sidewalk, yards, etc. Mexican communities are choked with cars parked  all over the place. You can hardly drive down their streets where cars are double parked.).  The mortgage payment is apportioned among as many as a dozen wage earners and off the books cash businesses and the property taxes are based on assessed value, not on the number of people who live in a specific property. A single  American family with two kids in public schools pays the same property taxes  as 4  or  5 Mexican families living in a single family home, but who have  a dozen or more kids attending public schools and getting free health care and free foodstamps.   Mexicans use vastly more public services, but do not pay more taxes to compensate for it. They are experts at using multiple ID's to screw the system.  They have one set of ID's when they get their foodstamps and aid to dependent children and free health care. They have another set of ID's for working. Another set for getting a bank account, etc.  It doesn't end!  



Here in California we have heard this drivel for years about how cheap Mexican labor is the basis of our "prosperity."  Well if that's true, WHY IS MEXICO SO POOR with all of its cheap labor?  

Americans are fleeing California's "prosperity" even as more third world primitives are flooding in. California is dying.  If the rest of the American people do not get their heads out of their a**es their communities and states will be dying too.  This phony baloney business report from Fox News is no different from the other phony, lying business reports over the years from the L.A. Times, UCLA, etc.  Sometimes I read crap like this and it reminds of  the old Soviet Union. There the ruling elites trumpeted the news that things have never been better that the five year program was a great success and in the mean time, the rank and file citizens stood  shivering  in the snow in line with their ration tickets waiting for their portion of bread and potatoes.   We have been lied to and screwed by the rulers who publish this kind of crap and if Americans don't open their eyes and just  use their common sense, we're doomed.  




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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #141 on: September 02, 2010, 04:58:30 PM »
Good post there lmg.

The surprising thing to me is, we have perfect models all over the U.S and the world of this flawed kind of thinking and funny math...and even with watching places like California and Greece crash using these policies...some people still want to do more of it.  Amazing...and very stubborn people to knowingly crash it all by staying the course with their idealogy.  Now that is truley dieing for something...I'll give them that, but not real smart.

Course if you stand up against it, your some kind of muderous racist of some sort...so I guess it all needs to come crashing down.
And even after everything crashes all around you, you could be sitting next to one of these people in a mud hole drinking your last cup of coffee with nothing left anywhere, look the socialist in the eye and ask him..."any other bright ideas"...and he would just say we didn't spend enough money, or let enough people storm our borders and help us out.

Now that is stubborn. 

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« Reply #142 on: September 02, 2010, 07:25:43 PM »
I bet you Mennonites don't turn down your tax exempt status on your property.  Hell no. Do you know how much other Americans have to pay in property taxes to make up for what churches don't pay.  If the Mennonites are so into helping others refuse the tax exempt status on all your churches nation wide. Step up and say we want to help all Americans not just the high profile make us look good Americans.  You seem to turn down other government programs you don't like.  Churches take from the tax payers in church income as well. Before you  preach to everyone with your narrow views on life, clean up your houses even if they are old and small. :(
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #143 on: September 02, 2010, 07:35:49 PM »
good post igm.

What do you other guys think you have to gain beating up on the Mennonites?  What have you done today to make the world a better place?  Everybody's got to do what they think is right and those folks, whether you agree with them or not, deserve credit.

Instead of beating them up, come up with something better.

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« Reply #144 on: September 02, 2010, 07:45:40 PM »
I bet you Mennonites don't turn down your tax exempt status on your property. 
Well, why should they? They're non-profits, and it is my understanding that there are a LOT of non-profits with tax exemptions - do you want them to give up tax-exempt status, too?

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Do you know how much other Americans have to pay in property taxes to make up for what churches don't pay. 
Assuming that was a question - ? - no, I don't know. Tell us, and give us your source...

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Before you  preach to everyone with your narrow views on life, clean up your houses even if they are old and small. :(

will that earn them the affection of pissy atheists & tax collectors?
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« Reply #145 on: September 02, 2010, 08:27:48 PM »
Excellent post yellowtail.  we agree on something.   :)

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« Reply #146 on: September 03, 2010, 04:32:48 AM »
this is funny we start off with drug killing and are in a fight over churches not paying taxes . I would worry less about churchs being taxed and more about the taxes you pay . Do you realize that you pay all corp. taxes when you by a product ? bet that's more than the churches cost ya. Or the taxes wasted on drug enforcement ?
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« Reply #147 on: September 03, 2010, 04:42:38 AM »
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I bet you Mennonites don't turn down your tax exempt status on your property.  Hell no. Do you know how much other Americans have to pay in property taxes to make up for what churches don't pay.  If the Mennonites are so into helping others refuse the tax exempt status on all your churches nation wide. Step up and say we want to help all Americans not just the high profile make us look good Americans.  You seem to turn down other government programs you don't like.  Churches take from the tax payers in church income as well. Before you  preach to everyone with your narrow views on life, clean up your houses even if they are old and small

So, should all non-profits, churches and service organizations loose their tax exemptions?
If you say yes, that means much of the money used to help others now goes to the government. Do you believe that the government is going to use those monies in a more efficient way than the churches and service organizations? Many conservatives believe that all social service help should come through the churches and service organizations, not the government. By taxing the churches more dependency would be on the government to provide for social services.
As I understand it most conservatives believe in self sufficiency so let me give you an example of Mennonite self sufficiency:
In March 1989 a F5 half mile wide tornado went through the middle of a small, mostly Mennonite town called Hesston that is about 9 miles from my house. 80% of downtown was destroyed and hundreds of homes destroyed and more damaged. Concrete trucks were moved a block. This happened about at 5:00 inn the afternoon. Within minutes it looked like a farm aid parade as area farmers, construction companies, etc. moved in with highloaders, bulldozers, tractors, trucks and manpower to start cleaning up and rescuing people. A couple of hours later the Red Cross showed up but left the following morning because NOT ONE person asked for help from the Red Cross. The community totally took care of their own. A bit different from Katrina, eh? I am sure there are many communities in our country that would have done the same.
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #148 on: September 03, 2010, 04:44:43 AM »
range rider. Sounds to me like you don't so much have a problem with Churches  and Gods people as much as you have a problem with God. The mennonites are but one group of Gods people who give freely of their time, money, and skills to help those in need. It's what Christians do. POWDERMAN.   :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals
« Reply #149 on: September 03, 2010, 10:44:08 AM »
If the govt. taxed churches they could control them and there would be no seperation of church and state . They could raise taxes until they could not exist . Do ya'll who want to control everything thru. govt. ever stop to think that every time we lose a freedom we come closer to being a subject not a citizen ? Or is it out of total lack of common sense that you go there ?
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