Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals

[powderman]

I have noticed that folks can be very liberal about illegals just looking for work.  That is until  the illegals take their jobs.  You would have to be blind to say they are just looking for work.  The welfare cost to the states is out of control and alien crime is filling the prisons.  A country must be able to protect its borders if it intends to be a country.  During the American Revolution many Americans ran to Canada, England, South America Etc. They chose to run away rather than fight for freedom.  Many thousands filled New York harbor to return to England.  The few that stayed and fought, threw off the yoke of an unjust power.  The Mexicans that are running to America are avoiding the pain of changing a bad government.  They need to stay and fight for freedom in there own country. 

YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

Actually these folks hadn't crossed our border and we have no idea where they were going.

I guess this prooves one thing...these hideous murders, the tortures and disfigurements, the other massacres, the lawlessness, bombings, corruption, shootouts, blood money,etc. going on South of our border......prooves that no one race, religion, or creed has a monopoly on brutal barbarous acts.
Its a shame.


..TM7

No the muzzys leave 5% of it for the rest of the world.

[yellowtail3]

I have noticed that folks can be very liberal about illegals just looking for work. 

In this case, what does liberal mean - tolerant, maybe?

That is until  the illegals take their jobs.

Losing job hurts.

You would have to be blind to say they are just looking for work.  The welfare cost to the states is out of control and alien crime is filling the prisons. 

Is it  your position, that.. poor Mexicans are coming to America for the prisons?

During the American Revolution many Americans ran to Canada, England, South America Etc. They chose to run away rather than fight for freedom.  Many thousands filled New York harbor to return to England.  The few that stayed and fought, threw off the yoke of an unjust power.

It wasn't that quite cut-and-dried that the crown was unjust, certainly not by standards of the time.

The Mexicans that are running to America are avoiding the pain of changing a bad government.  They need to stay and fight for freedom in there own country. 

Do you recommend a revolution in Mexico? And armed uprising? What, in particular? Is the Mexican gov't... unjust, more so than ours? Fill me in; I'll listen.

[briarpatch]

YT3, Just think of a wall and its function.
If you build a wall to keep someone out, you must have something there they want.
If you build a wall to keep someone in, you must have something there they dont want.
Now, who wants a wall and who dont?
Generally this will tell you who has a good life and who dont, when it comes to people. 

[lgm270]

Everytime some nit wit  defends the Mexican invasion of the US by saying they're only coming here to work, I end the conversation with the following question:

Will you volunteer to give up your job and  become unemployed so that an illegal alien can have it?  


Even as advocates of slavery never volunteered to become slaves, American apologists for  the third world invasion of the US don't volunteer to become unemployed.  Even though they're willing to see other Americans become unemployed, they are not willing to volunteer to become unemployed themselves.  I have never figured out the  evil  by which people are willing to sacrifice their fellow Americans as long as they keep their  own nice job and nice life style.

 This is our country, not theirs.  The American people collectively have as much right to say who comes into our country as individual Americans have to say who comes into their private homes.  Mexicans belong in Mexico. That's why they're called Mexicans!

[yellowtail3]

Everytime some nit wit  defends the Mexican invasion of the US by saying they're only coming here to work,

Most Mexicans who come here illegally, are looking for work. To say so is recognition of reality, and it no defense of an invasion. So who is the nit-wit??

I end the conversation with the following question:

Will you volunteer to give up your job and  become unemployed so that an illegal alien can have it?  

Well, there's lot's gotcha! lines that can be used for end/derail conversations you don't want to have - but that doesn't mean anything, except that you don't want to discuss it.

Even as advocates of slavery never volunteered to become slaves, American apologists for  the third world invasion of the US don't volunteer to become unemployed.  

Is it your view that they should have? Would you have ended the conversation with an abolitionist, with the one you use on folks who hold the view that most illegals come here for work?

Mexicans belong in Mexico. That's why they're called Mexicans!

Hmmm... I would have guessed it was because they're from Mexico!

to orig thread subject: murders in Mexico are nothing for civilized people to celebrate or take satisfaction in.

[lgm270]

Everytime some nit wit  defends the Mexican invasion of the US by saying they're only coming here to work,

Most Mexicans who come here illegally, are looking for work. To say so is recognition of reality, and it no defense of an invasion. So who is the nit-wit??

I end the conversation with the following question:

Will you volunteer to give up your job and  become unemployed so that an illegal alien can have it?  

Well, there's lot's gotcha! lines that can be used for end/derail conversations you don't want to have - but that doesn't mean anything, except that you don't want to discuss it.

Even as advocates of slavery never volunteered to become slaves, American apologists for  the third world invasion of the US don't volunteer to become unemployed.  

Is it your view that they should have? Would you have ended the conversation with an abolitionist, with the one you use on folks who hold the view that most illegals come here for work?

Mexicans belong in Mexico. That's why they're called Mexicans!

Hmmm... I would have guessed it was because they're from Mexico!

to orig thread subject: murders in Mexico are nothing for civilized people to celebrate or take satisfaction in.

WILL YOU VOLUNTEER TO GIVE UP YOUR JOB AND BECOME UNEMPLOYED SO THAT SOME MEXICAN CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE? 

What more is there to say?   I have met many morally and intellectually confused people like you who defend the invasion and destruction of our country by third world primitives, but NOT ONE OF YOU HAS EVER VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE UP HIS/HER JOB, even though you're OK with other Americans losing their jobs.  You are OK with the third world invasion as long as it does not harm you. The rest of your fellow Americans can go to Hell as long as you can still  have yours.

I don't care why  third world primitives come here. They are a plague and a pestilence and people who take their side against Americans are worse than traitors. 

[yellowtail3]

WILL YOU VOLUNTEER TO GIVE UP YOUR JOB AND BECOME UNEMPLOYED SO THAT SOME MEXICAN CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE?  

What more is there to say?

I dunno... maybe something useful, illuminating, or informed? Here are some things to say/ask: why do these folks come there? Are the reasons they come here, comparable to the reasons your fore-bearers came here? Is there a benefit to having them come here? What are the costs? Do we want to use force to keep them out? Do we want to deport all who are here illegally - wherever they're from? -  or do you just want to git rid of them brown ones? Is there  path to citizenship for those who've been here for years? For their children born here? Or do we just ship them all back to where their parents came from? Should there be reforms in place to allow guest workers, or are you volunteering to pick strawberries (I suppose I could use that as a conversation stopper like you do, but that's just cheap and lame, so I won't).

See - lots of things to say/ask, if you can get past demagoguery and cheap bigotry.

I have met many morally and intellectually confused people like you who defend the invasion and destruction of our country by third world primitives...

I've never defended destruction of our country by anyone, let alone primitives. So far as my moral confusion... what do you recommend as a moral guide/standard, to help me better understand this issue?

but NOT ONE OF YOU HAS EVER VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE UP HIS/HER JOB, even though you're OK with other Americans losing their jobs.

*sigh*... you've got to come up with something more compelling than that cheap sophistry...

I don't care why  third world primitives come here. They are a plague and a pestilence and people who take their side against Americans are worse than traitors.  

There you have it, folks - ideology at work, the kind that labels political disagreement as traitorous.

What would Jesus say about this business of primitives being a plague and pestilence, and would anyone care? Is it allowed here to plug in a little scripture, to find the answer? Okay, here you go: Deuteronomy 10:19, and Deuteronomy 27:19

[lgm270]

WILL YOU VOLUNTEER TO GIVE UP YOUR JOB AND BECOME UNEMPLOYED SO THAT SOME MEXICAN CAN HAVE A BETTER LIFE?  

What more is there to say?

I dunno... maybe something useful, illuminating, or informed? Here are some things to say/ask: why do these folks come there? Are the reasons they come here, comparable to the reasons your fore-bearers came here? Is there a benefit to having them come here? What are the costs? Do we want to use force to keep them out? Do we want to deport all who are here illegally - wherever they're from? -  or do you just want to git rid of them brown ones? Is there  path to citizenship for those who've been here for years? For their children born here? Or do we just ship them all back to where their parents came from? Should there be reforms in place to allow guest workers, or are you volunteering to pick strawberries (I suppose I could use that as a conversation stopper like you do, but that's just cheap and lame, so I won't).

See - lots of things to say/ask, if you can get past demagoguery and cheap bigotry.

I have met many morally and intellectually confused people like you who defend the invasion and destruction of our country by third world primitives...

I've never defended destruction of our country by anyone, let alone primitives. So far as my moral confusion... what do you recommend as a moral guide/standard, to help me better understand this issue?

but NOT ONE OF YOU HAS EVER VOLUNTEERED TO GIVE UP HIS/HER JOB, even though you're OK with other Americans losing their jobs.

*sigh*... you've got to come up with something more compelling than that cheap sophistry...

I don't care why  third world primitives come here. They are a plague and a pestilence and people who take their side against Americans are worse than traitors.  

There you have it, folks - ideology at work, the kind that labels political disagreement as traitorous.

What would Jesus say about this business of primitives being a plague and pestilence, and would anyone care? Is it allowed here to plug in a little scripture, to find the answer? Okay, here you go: Deuteronomy 10:19, and Deuteronomy 27:19

Well there you have it.  You're OK with other Americans losing their jobs to  Mexicans having their Social Security numbers stolen by Mexicans etc.,  but you intend to keep your job.   Nothing more needs to be said.

[yellowtail3]

Well there you have it.  You're OK with other Americans losing their jobs to  Mexicans..

I don't think I wrote that

...having their Social Security numbers stolen by Mexicans etc...

I don't think I wrote that, I'm pretty sure I've not written anything about Social Security numbers....

....but you intend to keep your job.

I'm kind of underemployed right now, and looking.

Nothing more needs to be said.

Certainly nothing as useless as you continuing to attribute positions not held or stated!

How 'bout that Deuteronomy???

[powderman]

Didn't the Bible say to obey the laws of the land??? Are the illegals obeying the laws of our land??? Nope, they are not.
Deuteronomy is talking about visitors to our land, not illegal invaders. Call em what they are, big difference. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

Deuteronomy is talking about visitors to our land, not illegal invaders. Call em what they are, big difference. POWDERMAN. 

Oh. The translation I was reading said nothing 'bout green cards and visas...

[billy_56081]

Old yellow, he is just a stumping to play second fiddle to old TM at the BBQ.

[briarpatch]

Yellowtail3, any ideas for how the unlawful imigration problem should be handled?

[gypsyman]

Let me reiterate, how many American men and women have died for this country?? Maybe it's about time some of the good people in Mexico die for THEIR country!! For over 200 years our blood has been shed to try and make this country what it is. Why can['t they.
Oh, poor me, my house is falling down and in shambles. Hey, why don't I just move into my next door neighbors house, it's still in pretty good shape, I'll just live there. ''nuff said'' gypsyman

[yellowtail3]

Let me reiterate, how many American men and women have died for this country?? Maybe it's about time some of the good people in Mexico die for THEIR country!! For over 200 years our blood has been shed to try and make this country what it is.

are you talking about forebearers who died while murdering Injuns?

[powderman]

GYPSYMAN. Good post, I agree.
yellowtail. No comparison there. POWDERMAN. 

[gypsyman]

Yellowtail3, if you want, I'm sure the Indians will let you live in a tepee on their land,drink from a stream and hunt their land.(for a fee). I myself, like electricity,running clean water, medical treatment, and all the amenities of a modern world. Which, if I'm not mistaken, has only been brought about by hard working,men and women, in this country. And by the way, if you ask around in the Indian tribes today, their not doing to badly, what with the casino's, and the pay to hunt lands. How much grant money for education?? If they want to get up and work, it can be done. I can't change what happened 150 years ago, just what's happening now. If you have a time maching, you zoom on back and right all the wrongs, I can't. gypsyman

[SHOOTALL]

The sad part in using the Bible verse is not using the entire Bible. But that's nothing new here . Some of the illegals are from mexico no doubt . Some are from places farther south. Some would be killed if they stay in their own country so they cross mexico and if not killed doing so come to the USA to seek a place to live. Some come to work, while others come to sell humans and drugs. How do we justify killing those comming to seek life by saying the Bible says obey the laws ? Gods law says forgive and help. Someone ask how to deal with the problem , how about closing the border . Then deal with the illegals on a case basis. The idea of finding an easy way out is a waste . We have allowed these people to come for years decades . How do we justify leaving the door open ? Close the border , protect it . Let it be this way for a period of time then get tuffer. Be fair .

[SHOOTALL]

Let me reiterate, how many American men and women have died for this country?? Maybe it's about time some of the good people in Mexico die for THEIR country!! For over 200 years our blood has been shed to try and make this country what it is. Why can['t they.
Oh, poor me, my house is falling down and in shambles. Hey, why don't I just move into my next door neighbors house, it's still in pretty good shape, I'll just live there. ''nuff said'' gypsyman

 The reason we are here is because our fore fathers could not change the land they had lived in . They came here from all areas of the globe to make this country strong and then to defend freedom . We have always welcomed those in need and they have inturn given us strength ( in most cases ) .

[beerbelly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsH8xvjTAlo



This guy explains it very well.

[Cabin4]

Our immigration laws are fair. They simply are not being enforced. The result is that Mexicans are in an excellant position to exploit this countries lack of ability to enforce our immigration laws. So the result is that Mexicans, by default get perferential treatment while others suffer.

Mexicans that come here illegally and those that are not willing to correct the problem are the real racists. Fact.

[SHOOTALL]

cabin 4 i agree with all but would change ablity to will

[yellowtail3]

Mexicans that come here illegally and those that are not willing to correct the problem are the real racists. Fact.

Fact? Naw, that's silly... the Mexicans who come here for work are opportunists, not racists (though there's probably racists in the mix, just like anywhere... that's people)

[BBF]

cabin 4 i agree with all but would change ablity to will

Agreed to a point. The will from the electorate is here. However it does not suit those in control to support it. That critique goes for both Parties.

Another opinion shared  gladly/freely from an "Outsider"

[yellowtail3]

Yellowtail3, any ideas for how the unlawful imigration problem should be handled?

A few. Perhaps... have some kind of workers pass, for those who want to work here/send money home, but don't really want to be citizens. A streamlined process for getting such a permit. And a mechanism by which those already here illegally could register to get said permit, with penalties for not doing so. Something like that. And some way for those who are here - and have been here a while, have family here? - to become citizens, without having to go back to orig country and start from scratch. That's off the top of my head.

I'm not convinced that cutting off immigration is all that good an idea... and besides, I like Mexicans. Many are decent and good people, much less offensive than some of the cretins here.

[lgm270]

Yellowtail3, any ideas for how the unlawful imigration problem should be handled?

A few. Perhaps... have some kind of workers pass, for those who want to work here/send money home, but don't really want to be citizens. A streamlined process for getting such a permit. And a mechanism by which those already here illegally could register to get said permit, with penalties for not doing so. Something like that. And some way for those who are here - and have been here a while, have family here? - to become citizens, without having to go back to orig country and start from scratch. That's off the top of my head.

I'm not convinced that cutting off immigration is all that good an idea... and besides, I like Mexicans. Many are decent and good people, much less offensive than some of the cretins here.

A worker's pass?  Will you give up your job to one of them?  They take jobs from Americans.  Maybe one of them should take yours and your mind would get right on this issue.

Solution:  Militarize the border. Shoot invaders on sight.  Declare war on Mexico and illegal aliens are enemy aliens who can be summarily shot because they're out of uniform.  If they're headed south, good luck and God speed. If they resist....rat-tat-tat-tat-tat! 

This country does not need more  brown baggage stealing jobs and sucking up tax payer funded benefits.

[powderman]

Perhaps... have some kind of workers pass, for those who want to work here/send money home, but don't really want to be citizens.



Baloney, we already have that, it's called a green card. Make invaders legal??? NEVER. Those caught should be deported and made sure they are NEVER given citizenship since they have already violated our laws. Too  many come here for free medical care and welfare, and WE pay for it. I have no medical care myself, but they get it. I'm really fed up with these invaders and those who support them. Got more Deuteronomy? POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

A worker's pass?  Will you give up your job to one of them?  They take jobs from Americans.  Maybe one of them should take yours and your mind would get right on this issue.

You're repeating the same lame slogan. Dense, I think.

Solution:  Militarize the border. Shoot invaders on sight.  Declare war on Mexico and illegal aliens are enemy aliens who can be summarily shot because they're out of uniform.  If they're headed south, good luck and God speed. If they resist....rat-tat-tat-tat-tat!  

This country does not need more  brown baggage stealing jobs and sucking up tax payer funded benefits.

One can easily and reasonably imagine someone wandering into this site, reading one of your posts, and concluding we're all bunch of bloodthirsty xenophobes, thugs & racists. Then we'll see it on MSNBC as proof of how wacked out those folks are, who are clingin' to their gun & religion.

Ouch.

[billy_56081]

Old yellow, a guy with  all the answers, yet he always avoids a direct answer to a question. Porgressive parasite?