Author Topic: Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals (Read 6146 times)

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #90 on:** August 30, 2010, 04:38:10 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on August 30, 2010, 04:16:22 PM

Old yellow, a guy with all the answers, yet he always avoids a direct answer to a question. Porgressive parasite?

I don't have all the answers - I know much less now, than I did a few years ago. But if you ask a serious question, I'll give you the courtesy of a serious answer. Evidence is, though, you're an ideologue, and... probably not interested in answers you don't already approve of.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #91 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:12:42 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on August 30, 2010, 02:47:53 PM

Quote from: lgm270 on August 30, 2010, 02:27:03 PM
A worker's pass? Will you give up your job to one of them? They take jobs from Americans. Maybe one of them should take yours and your mind would get right on this issue.
You're repeating the same lame slogan. Dense, I think.

Quote from: lgm270 on August 30, 2010, 02:27:03 PM
Solution: Militarize the border. Shoot invaders on sight. Declare war on Mexico and illegal aliens are enemy aliens who can be summarily shot because they're out of uniform. If they're headed south, good luck and God speed. If they resist....rat-tat-tat-tat-tat!

This country does not need more brown baggage stealing jobs and sucking up tax payer funded benefits.

One can easily and reasonably imagine someone wandering into this site, reading one of your posts, and concluding we're all bunch of bloodthirsty xenophobes, thugs & racists. Then we'll see it on MSNBC as proof of how wacked out those folks are, who are clingin' to their gun & religion.

Ouch.

Well, i just happen to wonder onto this thread, and they are illegal's! They need to be THROWN out, and kept out. IF they come back, keep one of their fingers on file, and they will get the hint FAST.

If you want them here, sponsor one, and have at it! The rest need to go with what ever means it takes to make it happen!

NO need to treat them any better than their gov would treat YOU if you snuck into their country!

DM

beerbelly · « **Reply #92 on:** August 31, 2010, 03:42:12 AM »

When you get right down to it, people like old yellow are the real threat to this country.
Beerbelly

gypsyman · « **Reply #93 on:** August 31, 2010, 03:57:17 AM »

Beerbelly, I believe your right. Yellowtail and TM are what I like to call over thinkers. Their trying to analyze the problem to such a degree, they don't see the whole picture. By the time they come up with a solution, the patient is dead. gypsyman

guzzijohn · « **Reply #94 on:** August 31, 2010, 04:34:24 AM »

I am sure some of you will stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA LA" but there are many benefits to having both legal and illegal immigration. If you do a google search for "benefits of illegal immigration" there is much information that disputes that illegals are more of a drain than a benefit. Think about it a bit. Most illegals spend money here while living here. They cannot avoid sales taxes, and for the most part, property taxes, social security taxes, gas taxes, on and on. Those that have fake SS cards still are paying into the system and probably never collect from it. Here is a site for another view that illegal immigration is actually a benefit to the US and no less comes from Fox Business (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/)! I may become bald from pulling my hair out from some of you supposed Christians that think illegals should be shot. Do you all have a poster of Jesus with a machine gun at the border?

GliderJohn

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #95 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:00:59 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 31, 2010, 04:34:24 AM

I may become bald from pulling my hair out from some of you supposed Christians that think illegals should be shot. Do you all have a poster of Jesus with a machine gun at the border?
GliderJohn

Save what hair you've got. This is what happens when religion gets co-opted and the focus is on political/ideological identification, and away from the actual words & actions of Jesus. I got suckered by it for a long time.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #96 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:18:44 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on August 31, 2010, 05:00:59 AM

Quote from: guzzijohn on August 31, 2010, 04:34:24 AM
I may become bald from pulling my hair out from some of you supposed Christians that think illegals should be shot. Do you all have a poster of Jesus with a machine gun at the border?
GliderJohn

Save what hair you've got. This is what happens when religion gets co-opted and the focus is on political/ideological identification, and away from the actual words & actions of Jesus. I got suckered by it for a long time.

Thing is, you wouldn't have to shoot too many of them, and they would stop coming. Did you notice how quickly they were leaveing Az. just because they thought they "might" have their ID checked?

DM

Casull · « **Reply #97 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:21:25 AM »

Ok, guzzi and yellow, just remember that if someone breaks into your house (exactly what the illegals are doing) that you can't shoot them, since you've never seen a picture of Jesus shooting a home intruder.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #98 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:31:06 AM »

Quote from: Casull on August 31, 2010, 05:21:25 AM

Ok, guzzi and yellow, just remember that if someone breaks into your house (exactly what the illegals are doing) that you can't shoot them, since you've never seen a picture of Jesus shooting a home intruder.

Sure I can,though whether I will is another story. You'll never catch me claiming to be perfect, or even consistent (though I'm working on the later). I think there's a significant diff between the two thing you're comparing: if someone assaults me, I'm looking at self-preservation, which is a far cry from national immigration policy. Anyhow... I've been in a shoot/don't shoot situation before, and even though I held the upper hand - and didn't shoot - it rattled me after the fact, upon considering what the consequences may have been. Don't want to be there again... so unless the break-in - this is a burgler, rght? - presented an immediate threat, I likely wouldn't shoot. I hate prosecutors.

How many 'illegals' do you think Jesus would have us shoot, Casull, just to discourage others from following? I'm curious to know your number...

Casull · « **Reply #99 on:** August 31, 2010, 06:18:25 AM »

Again, Yellowtail, I'm not advocating the shooting of illegals. What I was pointing out was the weakness of the arguments of "what would Jesus do" or "I've never seen a picture of Jesus doing _____", that so many throw out. We all do many things (legal things, and even just things) that Jesus did not do. After all, we are humans and not the messiah.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #100 on:** August 31, 2010, 06:30:40 AM »

In the Bible we are told if a man comes into our house and we see he means us no harm we should not kill him . He may be starving . If he intends to harm us then defend yourself. If he comes in the dark you will not know his intent and are free to defend yourself .

born-to-hunt · « **Reply #101 on:** August 31, 2010, 07:08:13 AM »

in my eyes mexico is just a train wrecked country drug lords own the place and it just aint right they need a restart button bad

powderman · « **Reply #102 on:** August 31, 2010, 07:18:18 AM »

yellowtail. You put words in Casulls mouth that he did not say. To my knowledge Jesus never had to deal with illegal invaders. Your references to Deuteronomy dealt with visitors, not invaders, big difference. Why don't you rent a van and go down to the border and bring a bunch of them home with you?

After all, according to you that would be the Christian thing to do. You seem to think that Christians should not defend themselves from invaders, not true. After you pick up your first load, you can go get more of them. After you do this get back with us in a month and tell us how it's working out for ya. POWDERMAN.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #103 on:** August 31, 2010, 07:48:14 AM »

Quote from: powderman on August 31, 2010, 07:18:18 AM

yellowtail. You put words in Casulls mouth that he did not say.

You're being silly and disingenuous; I didn't put words in anyone's mouth. Not my style.

Quote from: powderman on August 31, 2010, 07:18:18 AM

Why don't you rent a van and go down to the border and bring a bunch of them home with you? After all, according to you that would be the Christian thing to do.

Now THAT is an example of putting words in Casull's or anyone's - that is, attributing to them a position they've not taken.

Quote from: powderman on August 31, 2010, 07:18:18 AM

You seem to think that Christians should not defend themselves from invaders...

I never said that, either - this makes two places in one post, where you're done what you accuse me of doing. You're the kind of guy who puts folks in categories, rather than thinking - plays to your strength, I understand, but you oughta try thinking rather than categorizing.

powderman · « **Reply #104 on:** August 31, 2010, 07:53:37 AM »

If you really understood you wouldn't seem to be supporting these invaders. POWDERMAN.

Casull · « **Reply #105 on:** August 31, 2010, 07:55:16 AM »

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You're being silly and disingenuous; I didn't put words in anyone's mouth. Not my style.

Oh, really. How about this:

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How many 'illegals' do you think Jesus would have us shoot, Casull, just to discourage others from following? I'm curious to know your number...

I think Powderman had you dead to rights. Again, point out to me where I ever advocated shooting illegals.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #106 on:** August 31, 2010, 08:14:30 AM »

Quote from: Casull on August 31, 2010, 07:55:16 AM

I think Powderman had you dead to rights. Again, point out to me where I ever advocated shooting illegals.

Powderman doesn't have jack, but I'll clarify. Over and over I see folks blithely recommend shooting aliens, celebrating the idea of them shooting each other, and phrasing the immigration issue as though it's a full-blown shooting war, with us (USA) not shooting. I think that's silly, and it is disingenous. And I think many of these folks are all mouth in a medium - the web - which encourages stridency and ill-considered statements.

Casull, I'm not real interested in doing a back-and-forth, I-said-you-said thing, but I'll spend a minute on it: you wrote thus ~

Quote from: Casull on August 31, 2010, 05:21:25 AM

Ok, guzzi and yellow, just remember that if someone breaks into your house (exactly what the illegals are doing) that you can't shoot them, since you've never seen a picture of Jesus shooting a home intruder.

...and I decided to inquire whether you thought we ought to be killing illegal immigrants, and... you gave a unambiguous no to the question (good for you). I don't believe I ever wrote that you approved of shooing illegal immigrants (which sets you apart from some of our fellow forum memebers). Then Powderman comes crawling along:

Quote from: powderman on August 31, 2010, 07:18:18 AM

yellowtail. You put words in Casulls mouth that he did not say.

...which ain't quite so. I detest it when I see someone attribute positions to others they've not taken, so I avoid that sort of thing. Not my intent.

Casull · « **Reply #107 on:** August 31, 2010, 08:35:02 AM »

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I don't believe I ever wrote that you approved of shooing illegal immigrants

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How many 'illegals' do you think Jesus would have us shoot, Casull,

Now, who is being disingenuous? Or are you one who advocates that you're not "saying" something as long as you phrase it as a question? You know, like "have you stopped beating your wife?".

powderman · « **Reply #108 on:** August 31, 2010, 08:51:20 AM »

yellowtail. So when ya gonna pick up your first load??? You can't seem to seperate real legal immigrants from illegal invaders, theres a huge difference. The legal ones have taken the time to follow the rules and get a green card. The invaders don't care about our laws and laugh at us. POWDERMAN.

lgm270 · « **Reply #109 on:** August 31, 2010, 08:53:06 AM »

How many Mexicans should we shoot to defend our country and stop the Mexican invasion?

Well it's very simple: As many as it takes.

Actually, I don't think it would take that many. The word passes quickly in their "culture." Once the word passes that invaders get killed instead of getting free education, free health care, free foodstamps, free aid to children of polygamous relationships, etc., they will look for a better life in the filthy stinking slums in Mexico instead of creating filthy, stinking Mexican slums in the USA.

Over the last 20 or so years, I have watched these pack rats transform most of Southern California into a province of Northern Mexico. They're filthy, stupid third world primitives. Their offspring are dumb as bricks. They have flooded the public schools and destroyed them. The poorest performing schools are full of them. They urinate and defecate in the hallways and in classrooms. They can't even be bothered to use the rest rooms. Apart from their intellectual impairment, they're virulent anti-American racists. In at least half a dozen school districts, American children have been suspended from school for displaying American flags. The Mexican scum who invaded our country are "offended" by the sight of the American flag. America tax dollars are good enough for them, but the American flag is not. Much of California is occupied by Mexicans and "Latinos" loyal only to their own kind. They are virulent America hating racists.

See the most recent example of this:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/23470391/detail.html

Another from 2006:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/06/prweb397903.htm

In 2006, Mexican "students" at Montebello High School pulled down the American flag and hoisted the Mexican flag in its place.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/montebello-flag.htm

How many of them do we shoot? As many as it takes.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #110 on:** August 31, 2010, 09:01:17 AM »

Anyone who suggest killing trespassers in such a way after leaving the border open for years and even giving amidisty (sp) a few years back is no better than someone shooting ducks over bait !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #111 on:** August 31, 2010, 10:17:04 AM »

So if we make it more sporting it will be ok to shoot em? Hmm!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #112 on:** August 31, 2010, 10:32:01 AM »

Naw Billy , got to remove the bait for a couple mos. before ya can shoot over the field again

And the bait is an un-protected border ! close it then defend it , looks better that way .

beerbelly · « **Reply #113 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:50:07 PM »

Yellowtail is your typical American hating progressive! He has not one word to say good about this country. He only defends the invaders that will destroy this country! There is no way to reason with these American hating progressives! They hate this country and will do anything to help destroy it.
Beerbelly

FourBee · « **Reply #114 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:52:24 PM »

back to the OP. " Seems Mexican drug cartels are now executing illegals"

If that be so, Mexican's wishing to enter the U.S. may decide it safer to go the legal route, or not come in at all.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #115 on:** August 31, 2010, 07:00:10 PM »

All of ya'll who are okay with the criminal foreigners here, should put up a sign on your houses offering sanctuary. Feed,clothe, and bathe them. Give them your car so they can find work. Better yet, tell the boss you'll train 'em to take your place. Then will you truly live the compassion you so readily try to push off onto us.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #116 on:** September 01, 2010, 02:42:43 AM »

billy_56081 · « **Reply #117 on:** September 01, 2010, 02:46:41 AM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on September 01, 2010, 02:42:43 AM

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This is the most intelligent post you have made yellow!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #118 on:** September 01, 2010, 03:13:10 AM »

that was mean !

guzzijohn · « **Reply #119 on:** September 01, 2010, 03:27:17 AM »

Sorry for no more postings yesterday I was occupied the rest of yesterday with a funeral of my friend/lawyer after a sudden heart attack and dealing with issues of a close aunt that is in a coma after a stroke and is now in Hospice care. After reading the rest of the posts from yesterday Yellow Tail and myself are just spinning our wheels. I guess I am saying that we will have to agree to disagree. Apparently we all see things very differently. I come from a Mennonite background and I am active in the Mennonite church. Many of you may have heard of the Mennonite Disaster Service. When disasters strike the church does what needs to be done no matter what the background of the person(s) needing the help. Same for helping individuals in need. The church does not distinguish between illegals or legals, citizens or non-citizens, we just provide the help needed. This is how our church sees our Christian responsibilities to others. Maybe this will help to see where I come from whether you agree or not.
GuzziJohn