Conditions in Mexico Totally out of control.

[Sourdough]

The Mexican Government has never been able to control conditions in that country.  Corruption and Graff has always been the rule of the day.  Now drug cartels and related gangs are in control.  Kidnapping Central Americans passing through looking for ones with relatives in the US so they can get ransome.  Others are forced to become Mules, transporting drugs on foot across the border.  Frequently killed once the drugs are delivered in the US.  This violance is spreading across Mexico, all the way from the southern border to the US border.  Last time this happened, we sent troops to the border, and soon they were marching down the streets of Mexico City. 

Now we have a group here in the US called La Raza.  They want to annex Texas, New Mexico, Arizonia, Nevada, and California back into Mexico. 

Mexican Gangs are moving onto the streets of Pheonix, Albuquerque, El Paso, and through out Southern California.  Now the Mexican Governments inability to control things in Mexico has moved across the border and is running rampent here in the US.  When the Govenor of Arizonia tries to do something about it our own Federal Government interfeers.  Our own government is moving towards the same kind of government Mexico has.

For the last couple of years I have felt we, (the us) needed to send our troops down into Mexico and simply annex Mexico into the US.  That way all the Illegials would become US citizens and we could give them Social Security numbers and tax them.  Transfer The bulk of the Border Patrol into the US Marshalls office and send them after the drug gangs.  Mexico could become the new SunBelt retirement area.  American Industry who have moved assembly and manufactoring plants into Mexico would no longer be able to avoid paying taxes to the US government. 

But our people and our Government don't have the Moxie to do something so sensiable.   

[SHOOTALL]

And they would use our own consitution to take over in the long run . Many stupid decisions have been made so far why add one more ? Close the border . Tax incomming goods . Send illegals home . PROTECT AMERICA not pizz it away.

[hornady]

As long as professional politicians on both sides are reelected, with the attitude what’s in it for me, and the demand for Drugs in this Country continues. Nothing will change. There are too many people that believe the little bit of pot or coke they are doing has no effect on the Boarder. I got into a heated discussion about this on another form. My opinion, if you are one of the millions in this country using drugs, you will have the mindset, I am not hurting anybody but myself, right up to the point a Gangster kills you.
It may be because I am getting older, but it seems Greed and selfishness has become the norm. And no I don’t have an answer to this. Morality is not something that can be legislated. and as Mexico found out ignoring the problem will not work either.

[SHOOTALL]

what goes on in mexico has more effect on The USA than any middle east country even if they had a nuke. But we ignore the writing on the wall !

[hornady]

Exactly, but the Mexico issue has been ignored by both republican and Democratic presidents, they are both too concerned with being politically correct, you sure would not want to step on any toes and do the right thing, dose anyone really believe if there were a political advantage to sealing the boarder down it would not have all ready have been done,. I find it hard to believe a Mexican or Columbian Drug cartel is more powerful than the US, Government, but then you look at US boarder policies. It’s just like the crap they are pulling on the Military with these new rules of engagement. Both must second-guess ever decision so as not too find them selves in prison.     

[MGMorden]

For the last couple of years I have felt we, (the us) needed to send our troops down into Mexico and simply annex Mexico into the US.

Invading a sovereign nation would most assuredly provoke a war.  Now I have no question that we could take on Mexico successfully, but the question is how much foreign support would they pull in?  I'm not sure how much, but I can assure you that we'd pull absolutely NONE for an act of aggression.  We'd probably PERMANENTLY (or at least for many decades) lose several allies within NATO.  I'd expect a wave of economic sanctions to be raised against the US in this event too.

So we're fighting a long, expensive, and likely unpopular war to "annex" Mexico.

China would likely choose to take Taiwan back (which they've just been waiting for an opportunity to do) at that time and DARE us to say a thing about it - we couldn't fight a war on two fronts - certainly not after pissing away our good rep on this endeavor. 

And then you have to worry about restless indigenous Mexicans forming a resistance.  As the French proved during WW2, it's incredibly hard to occupy a country that doesn't want your presence there. 

If we tried this, I've give the USA another 15 years tops before the entire country collapsed - likely much less than that. 

Want to cut the throats of the drug cartels?  Legalize their wares.  If they're not getting top dollar - if your average pot smoker can buy his weed at the red dot - then you cut off their source of funding, and hence their power.  Just as prohibition saw the rise of the like of Al Capone and the entire criminal industry around alcohol, so has the "War on Drugs" saw the rise of Mexican Drug cartels and the like.  Legalize it and they'll go away just as quick as the bootlegging gangsters did.

[hornady]

I don’t think any sane minded person would actually advocate a war with Mexico. As too the Legalization of drugs, both side of this augment have valid points. When I was younger I believed it was a Black or white or right and wrong world, now I am finding its more gray than anything else. An example of this would be cigarettes, many believe they too should be illegal, so the government with  the BATF controls them, so what dose the government do, Tax them too the point there is now a black market for them to.

[Pat/Rick]

How many of the 535 corrupt "leaders take lobbyist money from la ratsa?? First question.
Militarize both borders. Towers every 100-200 meters Walls reminiscent of Berlin. let volunteers help man the towers. fence 100 meters inside the wall. Areas between the fence and wall are mined. Hang gooberment members who refuse to enforce the laws. Ike had operation wetback after the korean war. Its time for  O. W. II. After that, cut ALL diplomatic ties with mexico. American gooberment is dang near as corrupt as mexican gooberment. How long before those conditions are everyday living for us?

[yellowtail3]

Want to cut the throats of the drug cartels?  Legalize their wares.  If they're not getting top dollar - if your average pot smoker can buy his weed at the red dot - then you cut off their source of funding, and hence their power.  Just as prohibition saw the rise of the like of Al Capone and the entire criminal industry around alcohol, so has the "War on Drugs" saw the rise of Mexican Drug cartels and the like.  Legalize it and they'll go away just as quick as the bootlegging gangsters did.

smartest post in this thread.

[streak]

When and if this frigging government ever gets the balls again to get a backbone and send down some special op`s teams along the border and start target practice then will all of this mess start to cease!!

[yellowtail3]

When and if this frigging government ever gets the balls again to get a backbone and send down some special op`s teams along the border and start target practice then will all of this mess start to cease!!

Special Ops, and target practice?? In keeping with the spirit of your recommendation, perhaps we could denote this team with a fitting name... how does Einsatzgruppen sound?

[streak]

Any special military mission group or operation group is OK with me!!
It seems that it is time to have another "General Blackjack Pershing" escapade!!

[streak]

Good to see Govenor Perry sending the Texas Rangers to take care of some business along the Texas border with Mexico!

[powderman]

I would certainly agree to using armed force to protect our borders. I'm really fed up with the illegal invaders and the pantywetters that support them. If these people don't like their country, change it, but leave America alone. POWDERMAN. 

[Graybeard]

You guys just don't seem to grasp the reality of the situation we are facing. You assume politicians are operating on the principle of what's best for them or the country or some such. You assume there is a difference between the two parties. That is NOT the case.

There is a cabal of super rich folks world wide who are in control. The politicians work for them NOT for this country or its citizens anymore. This cabal not the voters determine who runs for office and who is elected or not elected. They have the money and the power and are using it.

Folks talk of how great Bush was but he is the one who forced thru Congress (as if a President actually had power to force congress to do anything) the first of the legislation to end the US Constitution. It is now a ragged old scrap of paper that no one in DC takes seriously.

We are not gonna ever turn this around at the polls cuz no matter which of the folks you vote for or don't vote for are really no better than the rest. I am convinced they are already at the point where how we vote is totally immaterial anyway as if they don't like the actual results of votes being cast they have the power to just cause the results to read as they wish. Most all states now use computers to vote on or to count the votes from the sheet you mark. Do you not realize how easily hackers can affect computers even those used in elections?

For whatever reason whoever that cabal of super rich folks are they want the situation in Mexico to be what it is and to spill over into the US. Why I don't know just as I don't know who the cabal consists of. I do NOT agree with TM7 that the Jews or as he calls them zionists are behind it. Nope with the treatment muzlims are getting I'm far more confident that they have a lot of power in the cabal. I don't think they are all of it but they are a very powerful part of it. Heck for all we know criminals might also be a large part of it and for sure the cabal is a mixture of criminals as they care not one whit about the laws of any country and are doing their dead level best to remove all governments world wide and replace them with a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Guess who is to be in charge of that government? THEM. Just like in the Sci Fi movies about the future when there is a world government it is always run by corporations and that's the way it will be one day and is the direction the cabal is pushing things.

Nothing short of a total revolution such as the one that gave us freedom to begin with will turn things around in this country and I honestly don't think there is still time for that even. Nope I see us hitting rock bottom and staying there for generations before enough folks are willing to do what our founding fathers did and put their lives on the line to take things back regardless of the death toll. I don't think any of us alive today will see the day when things turn around for the better. We as a nation are all too wrapped up in our own little world and what we like to do and what is next to worry about the country as a whole. Too many folks are getting hand outs now to be out voted by those paying for those handouts anyway.

It's a downward spiral on a greased slope and there ain't no stopping till we hit bottom and it will be a long time before anyone climbs back up that slippery slope to turn it around.

[Pat/Rick]

You guys just don't seem to grasp the reality of the situation we are facing. You assume politicians are operating on the principle of what's best for them or the country or some such. You assume there is a difference between the two parties. That is NOT the case.

There is a cabal of super rich folks world wide who are in control. The politicians work for them NOT for this country or its citizens anymore. This cabal not the voters determine who runs for office and who is elected or not elected. They have the money and the power and are using it.

Folks talk of how great Bush was but he is the one who forced thru Congress (as if a President actually had power to force congress to do anything) the first of the legislation to end the US Constitution. It is now a ragged old scrap of paper that no one in DC takes seriously.

We are not gonna ever turn this around at the polls cuz no matter which of the folks you vote for or don't vote for are really no better than the rest. I am convinced they are already at the point where how we vote is totally immaterial anyway as if they don't like the actual results of votes being cast they have the power to just cause the results to read as they wish. Most all states now use computers to vote on or to count the votes from the sheet you mark. Do you not realize how easily hackers can affect computers even those used in elections?

For whatever reason whoever that cabal of super rich folks are they want the situation in Mexico to be what it is and to spill over into the US. Why I don't know just as I don't know who the cabal consists of. I do NOT agree with TM7 that the Jews or as he calls them zionists are behind it. Nope with the treatment muzlims are getting I'm far more confident that they have a lot of power in the cabal. I don't think they are all of it but they are a very powerful part of it. Heck for all we know criminals might also be a large part of it and for sure the cabal is a mixture of criminals as they care not one whit about the laws of any country and are doing their dead level best to remove all governments world wide and replace them with a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Guess who is to be in charge of that government? THEM. Just like in the Sci Fi movies about the future when there is a world government it is always run by corporations and that's the way it will be one day and is the direction the cabal is pushing things.

Nothing short of a total revolution such as the one that gave us freedom to begin with will turn things around in this country and I honestly don't think there is still time for that even. Nope I see us hitting rock bottom and staying there for generations before enough folks are willing to do what our founding fathers did and put their lives on the line to take things back regardless of the death toll. I don't think any of us alive today will see the day when things turn around for the better. We as a nation are all too wrapped up in our own little world and what we like to do and what is next to worry about the country as a whole. Too many folks are getting hand outs now to be out voted by those paying for those handouts anyway.

It's a downward spiral on a greased slope and there ain't no stopping till we hit bottom and it will be a long time before anyone climbs back up that slippery slope to turn it around.

Excellent post. I agree. demican/republicrat same club, same club members. That is why I am such an advocate of Jury Nullification.At least we the people have a chance to overturn junk laws that way. Maybe the only way ? The spilling of total civil unrest from either border would be a good enough reason to institute martial law. Not the best but good enough. DHS and the patriot act.wait and see. Jury nullification would work to undermine those as well. Good luck America.

[yellowtail3]

yeah, but... legalizing the weed would provide by far the most bang for the buck, and would have widest acceptance, with smallest downsides. The biggest downsides would be for LEO orgs that won't has access to as much confiscated loot/booty.

There are police cars in the next county that have on the back of them, paid for by drug money - cops will miss that so-called forfeiture gravy train. And they'll miss the surplus M-16s and APC that they get for drug efforts, that encourage them to play commando.

LEO, lawyers, prison-building/maintaining companies... they'll suffer, but the rest of us will be just fine, thank you.

[beerbelly]

GB I mostly agree with you, but this is nothing new. We have been living under the golden rule for ever. Them what's got  the gold make the rules. Always have always will.
                          Beerbelly

[blind ear]

They, the cabal of super rich folks world wide,  exercise all that control through the power that has been granted to the coorporations by giving corporations the rights of citizens without the responsibilities of citizens and by granting the coorporations anomnity by not haveing transparency of all corporate ownership, both public coorporations AND private coorporations. Any coorporation that is chartered here or does business here should have ownership transparency. eddie

[SHOOTALL]

follow the money , no truer words exist

[Pat/Rick]

yeah, but... legalizing the weed would provide by far the most bang for the buck, and would have widest acceptance, with smallest downsides. The biggest downsides would be for LEO orgs that won't has access to as much confiscated loot/booty.

There are police cars in the next county that have on the back of them, paid for by drug money - cops will miss that so-called forfeiture gravy train. And they'll miss the surplus M-16s and APC that they get for drug efforts, that encourage them to play commando.

LEO, lawyers, prison-building/maintaining companies... they'll suffer, but the rest of us will be just fine, thank you.

Yep, Take a few thousand out of your savings to go buy a used car or whatever. You get pulled over, and searched, police confiscate your money and run it through the lab, any trace amounts of street drugs come up and its State Vs $ amount in court. You loose, court and police win. I can't remember the Bill that made all this possible but it came out during the war on drugs. Drugs is easy money, don't look for it to be __________ized any time soon. I do wonder why the banks have never been subject to a search warrant and their cash siezed and tested. I guess ya don't screw with the power huh. Pretty arrogant of the county to allow those stickers on their cruisers.

[powderman]

I read on yahoo this morning that OSAMA is now saying NG troops will be sent to AZ border, 30 a week till all are deployed in Sept. They will be armed for self defense but will NOT have any authority to make arrests or detain. Osama trying to take credit for NOTHING again. POWDERMAN.  

[Sourdough]

GB, I think the name of the group you are illuding to is the Illuminati.  

I had a very interesting conversation with a young man from New York City last winter on the train, about the Illuminati and their controls.  The Illuminati have grown into a World Wide organization.

But back to the original purpose for the thread:  Now the Mexican President has had to admit the people he sent to look into and investigate this lawlessness are missing.  Things are totally out of control down there, with so much corruption there is no way the Mexican Government is going to control it.  The US has had to go into Mexico before and get things under control when their own government could not.  I am thinking we should have never walked out after the last time and let the Mexicans try and put a new government in place.  We were trying to be a good neighbor, but the effort came to naught.  I feel it is time to go in and do it again, only this time exert more control.  After all, unlike those countries in the middle east we have a vested interest in what happens in Mexico.  Plus a short little border with Guatemala and Belize would be much easier to control, than one hundreds of miles long.  Less than a third of what we are currently trying to control.