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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 11:14:21 AM »
No surprise at all. Maybe korea should contact the drug cartel in mexico or the iranians.

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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 11:32:16 AM »
I saw that a day or two ago.
Maybe they'll still be around in a couple years when he's gone (wishful thinking :D).
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 11:43:07 AM »
It is my understanding from reports on another forum that the stocks were cut back 2" as the stature of asians dictates a shorter trigger pull.

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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 11:49:44 AM »
and so it begins...again.
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 01:20:07 PM »
It is my understanding from reports on another forum that the stocks were cut back 2" as the stature of asians dictates a shorter trigger pull.



First I heard of that, wouldn't fit me at all then. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2010, 04:45:02 PM »
Not interested in any conspiracy nonsense.
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2010, 05:12:42 PM »
Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles
         

David Kopel
Opposing Views
August 22, 2010

According to The Korea Times, the Obama administration has blocked efforts by the South Korean government to sell over a  hundred thousand surplus M1 Garand and Carbine rifles into the United States market. These self-loading were rifles introduced in 1926 and 1941.

As rifles, they are especially well-suited to community defense in an emergency, as in the cases of community defense following Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Along with AR-15 type rifles, the M1 rifles are the quintessential firearms of responsible citizenship, precisely the type of firearms which civic responsibility organizations such as the Appleseed Project teach people how to use.

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According to a South Korean official, “The U.S. insisted that imports of the aging rifles could cause problems such as firearm accidents. It was also worried the weapons could be smuggled to terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions.”

Regarding the second objection, any firearm lawfully imported into the United States would eventually be sold by a Federal Firearm Licensee who, pursuant to the background check system imposed by Congress (and endorsed by the NRA) would have to contact federal or state law enforcement to verify that the gun buyer is not prohibited from possessing firearms.

Accordingly, the risk that the South Korean surplus guns might fall into the hands of gangsters or other bad people is exactly the same as with the sale of any other retail firearm in the United States. Notably, neither the M1 Garand nor the M1 carbine are concealable, and the M1 Garand is long, heavy, and bulky. Accordingly, the criminal utility of such guns is relatively low.

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The second Obama administration objection is accidents. But in fact, increasing gun density in the United States has been associated with steeply declining rates of gun accidents. In 1948 there were .36 guns per person. (That is, about one gun for every three Americans.) By 2004, there was nearly one gun for every American. In 1948, there were 1.6 fatal gun accidents per 100,000 persons. By 2004, the rate had fallen by 86%, so that there were .22 fatal accidents per 100,000 persons. (For underlying data, see Appendix B of my amicus brief in Heller.)

Legally, it is indisputable that the guns are importable. Being over 50 years old, the rifles are automatically “Curios and Relics” according to federal law. 27 CFR section 478.11. Accordingly, they are by statutory definition importable. 18 USC section 925 (e)(1). Notwithstanding the law, the Obama administration has the ability to pressure the South Korean government to block the sale of the guns.

President Obama was elected on the promise that he supported individual Second Amendment rights. His administration’s thwarting of the import of these American-made rifles is not consistent with that promise.

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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2010, 07:24:58 PM »
Actually the root of the issue is that South Korea wants to sell them, but Obama believes that they were lent to South Korea and should just be returned, like the Greek guns that CMP has right now.

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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 12:35:00 AM »
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2010, 05:31:29 AM »
It is my understanding from reports on another forum that the stocks were cut back 2" as the stature of asians dictates a shorter trigger pull.



First I heard of that, wouldn't fit me at all then. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

2" seems a bit extreme.  You can definitely get another 1" back though by adding a thick recoil pad.  You'd need a slip on if you wanted to avoid modifying it though (since the South Korean cut back was done in military service then I assume that it would be considered original issue in the context of the rifle's historical use). 

Barring that, I think Boyd's or another company makes a replica M1 stock that is setup to match the original military version.  Wouldn't be original, but at least it would be an appropriate substitute part.  I'm not positive either, but I'm pretty sure that a new stock if it was original military style wouldn't remove C&R status like switching to a sporter stock would.

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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2010, 05:55:00 AM »
Original stocks are common as dirt.
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2010, 06:22:18 AM »
Like Swampy said original stocks are easy to get.  Personally it would not bother me at all if it was cut down.  Sky and Michelle are both short and use cut down stocks.  I often use their guns in the winter to make it easier with all my heavy clothes when it is cold.
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2010, 09:01:05 AM »
If ya'll think back some years ago when the carbines were imported and a few M-1 the condition was rough and many had bent bbls from the stamps that had to be installed saying it was a reimport and who imported it. They had been rebuilt with off shore parts in some cases.
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2010, 11:17:32 AM »
Blue Sky importers.  I had one and it was ok.
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2010, 11:31:28 AM »
They mashed a bunch of bbls at first. They were shooters though not collectors. I had 2 one was ok the other had off shore parts that had to be replaced . Some were cast parts not fordged and they had holidays in them . These were the guns that came in 55 gal bbls full of cosmoline . You picked one and they pulled it out and slid it in a plastic sleeve. But for $99.00 what could ya lose ?
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Re: Obama Stops the Import Of M1s
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2010, 11:46:04 AM »
It shouldn't be call importing it should be repatriating.
I wish they would repatriate all those 1895 Winchesters we sold to Russia ;D

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 11:48:38 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2010, 12:23:12 PM »
One of the International gun dealers will buy up the entire shipment and hold it for two years.  thet they will be brought over when we get a new man in the White House.  America is the only market where they will get a good price for them.
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