Author Topic: Ok all you NRA bashers! The NRA will NOT be endorsing Harry Reid (Read 1891 times)

Redhawk1 · « **on:** August 27, 2010, 03:40:53 PM »

Statement From NRA-PVF Chairman Chris W. Cox On The 2010 Nevada U.S. Senate Race

Friday, August 27, 2010

In the coming days and weeks, the NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) will be announcing endorsements and candidate ratings in hundreds of federal races, as well as thousands of state legislative races. Unless these announcements are required by the timing of primary or special elections, the NRA-PVF generally does not issue endorsements while important legislative business is pending. The NRA-PVF also operates under a long-standing policy that gives preference to incumbent candidates who have voted with the NRA on key issues, which is explained in more detail here.
The U.S. Senate recently considered a number of issues important to NRA members, including the confirmation of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Out of respect for the confirmation process, the NRA did not announce its position on Ms. Kagan's confirmation until the conclusion of her testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee. Her evasive testimony exacerbated grave concerns we had about her long-standing hostility towards the Second Amendment. As a result, the NRA strongly opposed her confirmation and made it clear at the time that we would be scoring this important vote.

The vote on Elena Kagan's confirmation to the Court, along with the previous year's confirmation vote on Sonia Sotomayor, are critical for the future of the Second Amendment. After careful consideration, the NRA-PVF announced today that it will not be endorsing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for re-election in the 2010 U.S. Senate race in Nevada.

NRA members and other interested parties are encouraged to visit www.NRAPVF.org for more information as Election Day draws near.

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2010, 04:24:51 PM »

Good news. I wrote them and voiced my opinion about reid. POWDERMAN.

Dee · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2010, 04:31:08 PM »

Neither is the New Black Panther Party, The MS-13, the American Indian Movement, or LULAC. Who the hell cares if the NRA does, or doesn't back Harry Reid? The NRA only backs folks they think will win, not necessarily the best candidate. The NRA DID HOWEVER, ENDORSE John McCain in 2008, despite his assistance in shutting down gun shows in Oregon, and his 72% voting record of voting against the 2nd Amendment for 30 YEARS, and they will most likely endorse him again this time! Just Like the Republicans, and Democrats, the NRA is all over the political map, and is as guilty of the rest.
THERE! Now you've got your argument you asked for when you started this most obvious of threads. You actually WANT TO ARGUE. The FACTS I just stated should keep you busy all weekend. I on the other hand am going fishing.

saddlebum · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2010, 09:07:43 PM »

It's true what Dee said. The NRA is becoming more irrelevant by the day. Why did they give Reid an endorsement earlier. Why did they change their mind. Reid is the same today as he was yesterday. Did they cave into pressure from guys like powderman that pitched a fit. Sharron Angle had GOAs endorsement a long time ago. Did the NRA try to pay Reid back for that shooting range he had built for his union buddies that built it or what? Reid is a friend of the union bosses, not gun owners. As if there isn't a hundred other reasons not to vote for that jerk!!......In my indignant and not so humble opinion.

saddlebum · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2010, 10:18:39 PM »

I just got this email. It says in part......

" Dear Patriot,
Harry Reid will NOT be receiving the endorsement of the NRA! Reid thought that he had bought the NRA endorsement by securing an earmark for a Las Vegas shooting range in Nevada. After we conservatives put an intense amount of pressure on the NRA they have reversed course and will not be endorsing Reid! This is huge as Reid planned to use the NRA endorsement to prove his "moderate" credentials. "

"This is a huge victory for constitutional conservatives and a crushing blow to Harry Reid. Polls show that Reid has lost his lead and now the Western Representation PAC has yet another way to attack Reid with our radio and television ads! We are currently running ads defending Tea Party leader Sharron Angle against the smears of the Reid machine . We have announced that we will launch a major television ad campaign right before early voting starts, help us retire Harry Reid by making a contribution."

Seems the NRA can't make good,(obvious), decisions on their own without some help from outsiders.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2010, 04:00:12 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1 on August 27, 2010, 03:40:53 PM

Statement From NRA-PVF Chairman Chris W. Cox On The 2010 Nevada U.S. Senate Race

Friday, August 27, 2010

In the coming days and weeks, the NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) will be announcing endorsements and candidate ratings in hundreds of federal races, as well as thousands of state legislative races. Unless these announcements are required by the timing of primary or special elections, the NRA-PVF generally does not issue endorsements while important legislative business is pending. The NRA-PVF also operates under a long-standing policy that gives preference to incumbent candidates who have voted with the NRA on key issues, which is explained in more detail here.
The U.S. Senate recently considered a number of issues important to NRA members, including the confirmation of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Out of respect for the confirmation process, the NRA did not announce its position on Ms. Kagan's confirmation until the conclusion of her testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee. Her evasive testimony exacerbated grave concerns we had about her long-standing hostility towards the Second Amendment. As a result, the NRA strongly opposed her confirmation and made it clear at the time that we would be scoring this important vote.

The vote on Elena Kagan's confirmation to the Court, along with the previous year's confirmation vote on Sonia Sotomayor, are critical for the future of the Second Amendment. After careful consideration, the NRA-PVF announced today that it will not be endorsing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for re-election in the 2010 U.S. Senate race in Nevada.

NRA members and other interested parties are encouraged to visit www.NRAPVF.org for more information as Election Day draws near.

The NRA sent out a letter to its members in July 2009 praising Reid’s stand on gun rights as Senator, leading some to wonder whether the group would eventually endorse Reid in his re-election campaign. The NRA asked its members to call Reid’s offices and thank him for, among other actions, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act in 2005 that put the kibosh on a planned wave of lawsuits against gun manufacturers, and his opposition to Eric Holder’s statement that the DoJ would seek reinstatement of the “assault weapons” ban. A year later, NRA Political Victory Fund chair Chris Cox floated the idea of endorsing Reid, saying that having anti-gun Senator Chuck Schumer as head of the Senate would be potentially disastrous for gun owners.

That idea created a huge backlash, however, and apparently Cox has reconsidered his opinion — albeit for thinly veiled reasons. Reid couldn’t have stopped Elena Kagan’s confirmation even if he were inclined to try, at least not after the time that the NRA issued its own tardy condemnation of the appointment. Given the track record of Reid in defending gun ownership listed in the 2009 letter, the Kagan confirmation that didn’t prompt official worry from the NRA until after her public hearing — when it was far too late for any pressure on Barack Obama to pick someone else — seems like a weak-tea argument, especially since the Sotomayor confirmation vote came just a few weeks after the July 2009 letter, when Reid was clearly on board with Sotomayor’s confirmation as well. The truth seems more like the NRA’s membership balked at backing Reid, and Cox heard the outrage.

The real question is whether the NRA will endorse Sharron Angle, or just remain on the sidelines in Nevada. I suspect it will be the latter

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2010, 02:18:46 PM »

My simple feeling is that the NRA should endorse those who stand for 2nd Amendment rights, and who are friendly towards hunters and gun owners - all other issues should be off the table.

Example: If the candidate is a black lesbian Democrat and member of NARAL, and supports RKBA and hunting and likes Snyder's A Nation of Cowards - and will say so publicly? - they oughta endorse her.

IMHO, anyhows...

torpedoman · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2010, 02:46:48 PM »

Don't you just love the way they are crowing over the recent scotus decisions, one would think they actually had something to do with them, which they did not all were brought by the SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION.

nomosendero · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2010, 03:21:21 AM »

They caved to pressure, painfully obvious.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2010, 01:53:58 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero on August 30, 2010, 03:21:21 AM

They caved to pressure, painfully obvious.

No doubt, they caved!.........Now all NRA members need to press them to vote for Sharron Angle.

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://gunowners.org

Monday, August 30, 2010

Thank you, everyone, for your hard work over the last few months. Because of your lobbying efforts, the NRA has decided NOT TO ENDORSE anti-gun Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his contest against Sharron Angle.

As you may remember, GOA had alerted you last month to press reports indicating that the NRA might endorse Reid. Followers of the Wall Street Journal read on July 2 that:

The chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association made an interesting admission to The Weekly Standard following a Wednesday report by RedState.com that the powerful gun lobby might back Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his general election battle against Republican Sharron Angle.

It's not that they might endorse Reid -- because they might, said chief lobbyist Chris Cox -- but that the issue doesn't appear to be as much about the records of Reid and Angle, but rather the specter of a Senate run by either Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois or New York Sen. Chuck Schumer.

GOA asked you to contact the NRA and to urge them NOT TO ENDORSE Reid. Well, as of last week, the NRA officially announced that they would not endorse him!

This is extremely good news, because it makes it more likely that gun owners in Nevada will now be able to make a more informed decision in November. Now, if we can just encourage the NRA to take the next step and endorse the pro-gun Sharron Angle!

Over her eight years in the Nevada legislature, Angle stood 100% in favor of the Second Amendment, and was a steadfast leader in protecting the constitutional liberties of all Nevadans. Reid, on the other hand, has been a steadfast OPPONENT of the right to keep and bear arms, having earned an F rating from GOA.

To see Senator Harry Reid's anti-gun record, please see:
http://gunowners.org/is-harry-reid-pro-gun-or-anti-gun.htm

GOA has been exposing Reid's record for months, and has even set up a special section on our website to expose his record. During this time, we have seen Reid's numbers drop, while Angle has surged in the polls -- in fact, she overcame what was at one time a 20-point deficit during the primary to win the nomination in June.

Angle and Reid are now in a dead heat, as the Rasmussen polling firm shows the two candidates are tied at 47 percent.

ACTION: Please ask the NRA leadership to endorse Sharron Angle in the Nevada Senate race -- as she is an extremely pro-gun advocate. Encourage your family and friends to contact them as well.

You can call the NRA at (800) 392-VOTE (8683).

saddlebum · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:13:43 PM »

I just heard on the news today that the NRA is not endorsing Angle. But the way they make decisions, that may change.

scootrd · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:20:35 PM »

Quote from: Dee on August 27, 2010, 04:31:08 PM

Neither is the New Black Panther Party, The MS-13, the American Indian Movement, or LULAC. Who the hell cares if the NRA does, or doesn't back Harry Reid? The NRA only backs folks they think will win, not necessarily the best candidate. The NRA DID HOWEVER, ENDORSE John McCain in 2008, despite his assistance in shutting down gun shows in Oregon, and his 72% voting record of voting against the 2nd Amendment for 30 YEARS, and they will most likely endorse him again this time! Just Like the Republicans, and Democrats, the NRA is all over the political map, and is as guilty of the rest.
THERE! Now you've got your argument you asked for when you started this most obvious of threads. You actually WANT TO ARGUE. The FACTS I just stated should keep you busy all weekend. I on the other hand am going fishing.

+1

nw_hunter · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:50:48 PM »

Quote from: Redhawk1 on August 27, 2010, 03:40:53 PM

Statement From NRA-PVF Chairman Chris W. Cox On The 2010 Nevada U.S. Senate Race

Friday, August 27, 2010

In the coming days and weeks, the NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) will be announcing endorsements and candidate ratings in hundreds of federal races, as well as thousands of state legislative races. Unless these announcements are required by the timing of primary or special elections, the NRA-PVF generally does not issue endorsements while important legislative business is pending. The NRA-PVF also operates under a long-standing policy that gives preference to incumbent candidates who have voted with the NRA on key issues, which is explained in more detail here.
The U.S. Senate recently considered a number of issues important to NRA members, including the confirmation of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Out of respect for the confirmation process, the NRA did not announce its position on Ms. Kagan's confirmation until the conclusion of her testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee. Her evasive testimony exacerbated grave concerns we had about her long-standing hostility towards the Second Amendment. As a result, the NRA strongly opposed her confirmation and made it clear at the time that we would be scoring this important vote.

The vote on Elena Kagan's confirmation to the Court, along with the previous year's confirmation vote on Sonia Sotomayor, are critical for the future of the Second Amendment. After careful consideration, the NRA-PVF announced today that it will not be endorsing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for re-election in the 2010 U.S. Senate race in Nevada.

NRA members and other interested parties are encouraged to visit www.NRAPVF.org for more information as Election Day draws near.

Redhawk, So rumor has it the NRA will not back Sharron Angle. Do you see any reason the NRA shouldn't support her? You know! you really need to cut the BS and fess up. Are you going to continue to make excuses for them no matter what they do? People like Dee, myself and others on this forum are members or former members of the NRA. It's not like we just woke up one day and decided to bash them.

Until the members get rid of the Hierarchy scum like La Pew, and Cris Cox, the NRA will not be affective defending the gun owners in this country, we need the other gun groups like the GOA and the Second A. Foundation to carry on the fight they should be waging. All of the other Gun rights groups are backing Sharron Angle................Where in the hell is the NRA?

saddlebum · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2010, 06:52:58 AM »

New email from Western Representation PAC;

Dear Patriot,
Recently we brought you the good news that the National Rifle Association was not going to endorse Harry Reid. This seemingly good news is tempered by the fact that now the NRA is refusing to endorse Sharron Angle. The NRA also gave Harry Reid a nearly $5,000 campaign contribution, and have not made a contribution to Sharron's campaign matching or surpassing the contribution to Reid.

Now one of Reid's political hacks, Brandon Hall, is spouting off to the press with this quote in the Las Vegas Review Journal: "The NRA's relationship with Senator Reid has been long-standing and productive and -- unlike for Sharron Angle -- they've put their money where their mouth is this cycle,"

The Western Representation PAC is appalled that the NRA would offer monetary support to a liberal who has made a career out of trampling the constitution like Harry Reid, and refuse to support a constitutional conservative who will fight to uphold our right to keep and bear arms. We have launched a petition demanding that the NRA endorse and support Sharron Angle. Please sign and share the petition by clicking
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nramustendorseangle/

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2010, 09:56:01 AM »

There are things about the NRA that i don't care for BUT and its a big but who else has both the connections and money to fight for the 2nd amnd. with any chance of success ? How many who bash it nominated people to office in the NRA when they were members ? who voted ? Like any organization its what the members make it .Maybe the NRA is like America it needs to be put back on track not bashed .

nw_hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2010, 02:24:50 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 31, 2010, 09:56:01 AM

There are things about the NRA that i don't care for BUT and its a big but who else has both the connections and money to fight for the 2nd amnd. with any chance of success ? How many who bash it nominated people to office in the NRA when they were members ? who voted ? Like any organization its what the members make it .Maybe the NRA is like America it needs to be put back on track not bashed .

So perhaps keeping quiet about all it's wrong doings and hoping the leaders will wise up and do the right thing will put it back on track?

When I was a member of the NRA, I gave them hell when they went along with gun grabbing legislation, and supporting anti gun politicians. I never so much as got a reply to my letters. Even tried calling them to voice my objections and hit a dead end. The only correspondence I ever received was junk mail asking for more money.

Perhaps there were not enough of us doing it to get their attention. I grew tired of trying, and wasting my hard earned money, and decided to put my money where my mouth was and joined a couple of gun groups that really were a friend to the gun owner. If you consider that BASHING, then .......YUP! Guilty as charged.

Facts speak for themselves, and the fact is........ Something stinks at the NRA headquarters.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** September 01, 2010, 03:10:03 AM »

Bashing is not constructive . I agree they don't listen as well as they should ( said there were things i did not like) .But who else is in a position to protect our rights ? If you find some other 800 lb ape to take its place let me know .

nw_hunter · « **Reply #17 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:15:06 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 01, 2010, 03:10:03 AM

Bashing is not constructive . I agree they don't listen as well as they should ( said there were things i did not like) .But who else is in a position to protect our rights ? If you find some other 800 lb ape to take its place let me know .

You don't find an 800 lb Ape."You grow one"
The NRA didn't start out BIG.Like the unions, they started out building an organization to benefit it's members.
The NRA, like many others, have out lived it's usefulness.They no longer work for the members.Supporting people like Harry Reid, and lending their support for draconian laws that chip away at our freedoms is proof positive of it!Why some people have such a hard time seeing this is mind boggling!

myronman3 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 01, 2010, 05:32:19 AM »

i hesitated to even comment on this. but, here goes....am i supposed to be impressed that they didnt do something that they never should have done to begin with? that is like someone saying "i take care of my kids"; news flash.....THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO! and the nra should have never endorsed the moron to begin with. and harry reid is just a drop in the bucket of anti gun sumbtches that the nra has endorsed.
i am underwhelmed.

mjh · « **Reply #19 on:** September 01, 2010, 05:42:36 AM »

Money speaks louder than words.....sounds like $5000 is an endorsement to me.....but what do I know.....I'm just your average citizen......

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** September 01, 2010, 12:00:23 PM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on September 01, 2010, 04:15:06 AM

Quote from: SHOOTALL on September 01, 2010, 03:10:03 AM
Bashing is not constructive . I agree they don't listen as well as they should ( said there were things i did not like) .But who else is in a position to protect our rights ? If you find some other 800 lb ape to take its place let me know .

You don't find an 800 lb Ape."You grow one"
The NRA didn't start out BIG.Like the unions, they started out building an organization to benefit it's members.
The NRA, like many others, have out lived it's usefulness.They no longer work for the members.Supporting people like Harry Reid, and lending their support for draconian laws that chip away at our freedoms is proof positive of it!Why some people have such a hard time seeing this is mind boggling!

The NRA has help keep guns a benifit to its members in my eyes , maybe the most important. Again I ask what do YOU offer as a replacement that carries the weight they do ? You and others offer only complaints but no other option . I'm open for ideas but don't feel it wise to cut off my nose to spite my face . You have every right to cut yours off though . Maybe its you not seeing the fight we are in .

briarpatch · « **Reply #21 on:** September 01, 2010, 01:05:59 PM »

shootall, the fight we are in, is the direct result of men like reid and those that sponsor them.
How does it do good to sponsor men like this? Where is the resoning? For whom do they work?
How long will ried let you and your family live free in peace?
Your guns go with his laws not his votes.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2010, 02:36:24 AM »

That is very true and the NRA has made mistakes and learned along the way . Consider they play a blance game in a arena stacked aginst them at times. For all I know they work things so they can stay in business . That said it is to their advantage to keep up the fight to make sure we keep our guns . Not all bad really. Again I ask if not the NRA who has the infastructure , Money, Communication network , staff and the 1000 other things needed to go up aginst the law makers ?

From what many of you post it seems ya'll think those of us that support the NRA think they walk on water . We don't they have faults aplenty. They have had a long time to make mistakes .
But who will do better ?

Sourdough · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2010, 10:35:06 AM »

The NRA backed RINO Lisa Murkowski. She lost!

briarpatch · « **Reply #24 on:** September 02, 2010, 05:42:32 PM »

Shootall, we the people do. The nra will give everything we have gained away through greed. The men that have control now are not the caliber of men that helped the nra grow into a group that would help us retain the 2nd Amendment.
How would it advantage a man if he allowed a vicious killer into his home, if the killer said he would not touch his silverware.
ried and those like him will satisfy the dumb in one area and cut their throat in another.
We have an illegal, muslim, communist clown running the show because of the same thought pattern.
The nra should stand as men and fight as men. They have the resourses or at least did. Not pussy foot around and back known goons and thugs.
With the liberal, idiotic thinking the nra posses they will do more to take your guns that keep them.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** September 03, 2010, 03:48:08 AM »

I feel as ya'll do on many of the issues the NRA has involved or not involved its self with. But again who will do the positive things they do ? They work in a world (political) of comprise many who bash them fail to admit that. It is far better to win a few points than lose all. Also in politics and comprise you do back those who don't share every belief with you but do share a few. Also people use the NRA for their gain also.
As far as their leadership i suggerst the bashers join and help change the leadership to a better one or offer a better group than the NRA to rep. gun owners.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2010, 10:21:27 AM »

I didn't leave the NRA. They left me............cliche' I know, but it fits.

wreckhog · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2010, 06:21:49 PM »

The NRA was at the county fair today. Soliciting memberships. I asked about Harry Reid. They said that he was not a politician in the area, so they had no idea what their position was.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** September 04, 2010, 02:19:15 AM »

Redhawk1 started this thread with one post. 7 days later, and 27 posts later, he has said not a word. He started exactly what he wanted start, and knew he'd get it. Contention and strife! Kinda like fartin in the room on your way out. LMAO!

nw_hunter · « **Reply #29 on:** September 04, 2010, 07:31:12 AM »

Quote from: Dee on September 04, 2010, 02:19:15 AM

Redhawk1 started this thread with one post. 7 days later, and 27 posts later, he has said not a word. He started exactly what he wanted start, and knew he'd get it. Contention and strife! Kinda like fartin in the room on your way out. LMAO!

First let me say!...............I have never done a despicable thing like that

Yup! Typical Redbird (ER HAWK) strategy. More and more people, because of forums like this one, are educating people about the leadership at the NRA, and their true agenda.

COME ON REDHAWK! Chime in