ISLAM PERMITS LYING.

[scootrd]

In regard to the forbidden fruit God said: "In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen. 2:17) But the serpent said, "Ye shall not surely die." (3:4) Satan's statement proved true, God's statement proved untrue. So, according to the Bible, the first truth told to man was from the devil, and the first lie told to man was from God.

God did not Lie - His statement was True
Exile from paradise, separation from the tree of life, the initiation of aging, and a severance from the very presence of God Almighty, were all consequences from eating the fruit. On that day Adam died a spiritual death. That sin would have resulted in an eternal death, had it not been for the tender mercies of God. Thanks be to God that, although we were dead , we have the opportunity to be made alive through His beloved Son. This was the reason Christ died for our sins, to repair our relationship with God and provide the opportunity for everlasting life with our Lord.

[ironglow]

Scootrd;
    It appears you may be of the "hyper-Calvinist" persuasion, so we could go on and on..ad nauseum, so I won't belabor the point. Just one more verse, not so much for you as for other readers who may be wondering...
        
       "But as many as received Him, to them he gave the power to become the sons of God" (John1:12)

  Obviously, if we are predestinated..we would have no need of receiving the power..to BECOME the sons of God..

   Of course I don't expect to convince you by this, but that's OK..you have the freedom to believe it or not ..that's Free Will..

   Hey, I think Powderman was just "funnin you' ..we all likely know about the spiritual death..but of course, it was also a physical death, since they were to live forever physically.

  BTW: We have been exchanging Bible verses quite heavily..we better wrap it up, before we are told to do so.

[scootrd]

 BTW: We have been exchanging Bible verses quite heavily..we better wrap it up, before we are told to do so.

I agree , Thanks for sharing IG. Peace .

[billy_56081]

Old TM, so are you still talking about baptism or communion?

Oh yeah you are proving that the topic of this thread is true.

[powderman]

..we all likely know about the spiritual death..but of course, it was also a physical death, since they were to live forever physically.



IG. SCOOTRD. Thats what I thought I was saying, I think all of us here, except tm, are on the same page. POWDERMAN. 

[subdjoe]

Gentlemen, we seem to be drifting off into a discussion of Christian dogma and theology, rather than the mohammedan texts telling his followers that it is perfectly acceptable for them to lie to those who do not follow that religion. 

[powderman]

SUBJOE. HEH, yer right, ol tm turned it around. Now, what was that about the Godless ones lying??? Oh yeah, I remember now. We were discussing how islam encourages the Godless ones to lie, so naturally ol tm started telling us that our  Christian God is a liar. He will regret that some day. Been a long day, gnight all. POWDERMAN.   

[WylieKy]

I think TM7 is right about God being a liar, but then he is also a murder, a kidnapper, and a rapist. But...he is God and what is for him to decide is not for us to question.  I have a 7 year old daughter with cancer, and believe you me, it's a jagged little pill to swallow.  God is God and all life is His to do with as He sees fit and to conform to His plan, willing or no.  People lose sight of the fact that while God is the God of love and prayer, he is also the God of volcanoes, floods, illness, and the stray bullet in the dark.  I often wonder if God truly has each and every moment planned out, or if He is as He says, the Alpha and the Omega, and simply had a starting point and an ending point and the middle is more or less up to us.  Guess we'll find out one day. 

[scootrd]

It was a fib...God and prophets are allowed to lie or fib in the Bible as I showed in just a few places of many.

There was no Fib , no Lie , no Deceit.
God unequivocally did not Lie.  
The death was a fall from Gods Grace , a spiritual death.
I see no further need to comment or cover this point again. 

[powderman]

There was no Fib , no Lie , no Deceit.
God unequivocally did not Lie. 
The death was a fall from Gods Grace , a spiritual death.
I see no further need to comment or cover this point again.



SCOOTRD. Well said and true, that was what I was trying to say.
tm. I'm not lying, and if you want me to point out your post I will, if you haven't already deleted or edited it. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm. A lot more wasted bandwidth that has nothing to do with islam or it's lies. You are digging yourself a really deep hole. Your hatred of the real God and Christians is getting bolder and more  twisted than normal, even for you. POWDERMAN.  

[scootrd]

Words to live by ... This describes my dad and my family to a T and all I believe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQewOwEnso

"Don't get too high on the bottle,
Just a sip every now and then.
And get right with the Man.
Fight your fights, find a grace,
And all the things that you can change,
And help somebody if you can."......

stick to your gun-a's,
If you believe in something, no matter what,
'Cause it's better to be hated for who you are,
Than be loved for who you're not.".........

and if you wanna hear God laugh, tell Him your plans.".............

[powderman]

tm. In your post #74 you called me a liar and said you had never disrespected Jesus. What I was talking about was on the thread, how muslims treat their women. I went back and looked and it seems your post was edited but luckily I saved a copy of what you said, see below.

Fact is judiasm, actually Phariseism, is a religion...not a race (remember)...he definitely wasn't a Pharisee....certainly he was the original anti-Pharisee.  Orthrodox judiasm by the Talmud claim he was the son of a whore from a Roman soldier.

Now. You said it was from the Talmund, I don't have a way of knowing myself. Even if it was it had NOTHING to do with the subject we were discussing and Jews were  not involved in the way muslims treat their women. Since your post had nothing to do with the subject of that post I believe that your post was simply meant to further show your disrespect for Jews, Christians, and Jesus Christ. Why else would you have brought it up????You asked, there it is. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm. Another dodge. Your quote in the center of my post didn't show up as a quote but it's duly quoted in my post in the thread in question which I believe was reply # 113 in the { how muslims treat their women } thread. You again proved my point, not only about that thread, but also this one as It had nothing to do with that thread and was done solely out of spite, but you deleted it from your original post. Unless you come up with something even more ridiculous I'm going to try and not respond anymore to this thread, islam and lying go hand in hand, you've proven that. Have a good day. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

Isn't it just fine to lie to the "goi" as well

[SHOOTALL]

Islam permits lying.
So do christians - Santa Clause
U.S.Govt. We won't raise taxes !

so what the point ?

[ironglow]

Shootal;
  Not all Christians permit lying about Santa claus, Easter bunny, et all...