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Offline Dinny

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Name that bullet
« on: August 29, 2010, 05:53:04 PM »
I got 25-30 of these bullets in a trade recently and the trader told me that's all he had. They measure .452" and weigh ~400gr. They shoot exceptionally well out of my 45LC Handi with 4.5gr of TB powder. Velocity is low 700s. Now....can someone name that bullet? I only have 5 left and I really would like to get some more.

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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 06:51:33 PM »
Hmm only one I've seen with thin grease grooves like that are the Remington.  I didn't see that grain weight, but it looks like it's a product they've stopped production on, or at least it isn't listed at their site.  Maybe someone else can be sure.  8)  One below is for the 250gr.:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1601446981
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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 04:30:42 AM »
 I have looked at the Lee, Lyman, RCBS, Saeco and Hoch mold charts. From all the mold charts that I have the only thing that comes close to looking like this bullet is the Lee #457-405-F . It is made for the 45-70. The reason that the grease grooves look so small is I would bet that they ran this .457 diameter bullet through a .452 size die and it shaved or squished the bullet down and made the grooves shallow and small.
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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 08:31:05 AM »
Quote from: shot1 on August 30, 2010, 04:30:42 AM
I have looked at the Lee, Lyman, RCBS, Saeco and Hoch mold charts. From all the mold charts that I have the only thing that comes close to looking like this bullet is the Lee #457-405-F . It is made for the 45-70. The reason that the grease grooves look so small is I would bet that they ran this .457 diameter bullet through a .452 size die and it shaved or squished the bullet down and made the grooves shallow and small.

I have plently of .458" bullets in that weight range, anyone wanna try resizing them for me? ;D

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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 11:17:43 AM »
Looked at bullet and saw resemblance to the Lee 405 gra, 0.457 mould, then saw shot1"s comment.  My vote is on the lee, as stated by shot1.
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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 11:52:19 AM »
Cheapest way to do it yourself is to get a Lee Lube and size kit from Midway they are $15.49 . The die fits your reloading press and pushes the bullet nose first into the die. It comes with a 4 oz. bottle of tumble lube to lube the bullets with afterward.
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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 02:08:32 PM »
LRFN   Lead round flat nose..?     ;)
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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 04:53:51 PM »
I have someone resizing some Lyman 405gr .458" bullets for me. We worked a trade and sometime next week I will have a small flat-rate box full for testing.  :)

Since I already have some of the same 405s he's gonna resize to .452", I thought I would compare the two. Here's a pic showing both bullets. The .452" is on the left and .458" on the right. That looks like a good match to me.  ;)  I notice that the .452" bullet is longer. Is that from the resizing or should I suspect they are two very different bullets?



Thanks for the recommendations, Dinny
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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 05:59:09 PM »
I don't shoot lead much anymore so I am not up on all the molds that are out there but I think that these maybe two different bullets.
Look at the driving bands.
While the bottom band looks to be the same width, the rest of the bands on the bullet on the left are much wider.
One could say that they were shaved during resizing which makes sence if they have tapered greese grooves.
If that is true, then why isn't the bottom band also wider?
Unless it is smaller than the rest of the bands on the bullet on the right to begin with.
Just my observations.



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Re: Name that bullet
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 06:16:22 PM »
Quote from: LONGTOM on August 30, 2010, 05:59:09 PM
I don't shoot lead much anymore so I am not up on all the molds that are out there but I think that these maybe two different bullets.
Look at the driving bands.
While the bottom band looks to be the same width, the rest of the bands on the bullet on the left are much wider.
One could say that they were shaved during resizing which makes sence if they have tapered greese grooves.
If that is true, then why isn't the bottom band also wider?
Unless it is smaller than the rest of the bands on the bullet on the right to begin with.
Just my observations.
LONGTOM

All good points you bring up. I don't know enough about them either. I guess shooting some of the newly sized 405s will tell me everything I need to know.

Thanks, Dinny

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