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Somebody tell us now...
« on: September 01, 2010, 02:32:54 PM »
Will somebody jump up now and tell us just how these "freedom fighter", "heroes" did a decent and honorable thing?  It sure takes a courageous and honorable gang to open fire on a car full of unarmed civilians, doesn't it!
  Of course of the two women one was pregnant, but we've had the discussion of killing pregnant women just a couple days ago..didn't we.
 I'm waiting for the defense of this action...an watching the spinning..like a Corvette on glare ice.

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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 02:39:36 PM »
I'm sure our resident anti U.S.A. anti Semite will be along shortly to show us how this was all ours and Isreals fault . ;)

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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 05:43:04 PM »
The Godless ones thought they were only murdering 4 unarmed civilians but they got a bonus that I'm sure made them jump for joy, they killed a baby too. Yep, real brave scum. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 06:51:30 PM »
  An interesting aside, that murder of 5 unarmed people is being bragged about as one ofvtheir own operations..by Hamas..
  You know Hamas..they are the gang of cuthroats which the "victory-mosque" Imam refuses to admit are terrorists..
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 02:33:17 AM »
I'm waiting for the defense of this action...an watching the spinning..like a Corvette on glare ice.

what kind of spinning are you hoping to see? This was probably done to derail peace efforts - or so that seems to be the opinion of American, Israelis, & Palestinian spokespersons.

where's the 'spin'?
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2010, 02:47:05 AM »
Those who refer to themselves as palestinians are squatters.  It never was their land.
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 02:49:28 AM »
Muslim law states that non combatants like women and children should not be killed . Now for the life of me i can't see a child in the womb could be a threat. No spin intended .
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2010, 03:14:34 AM »
Those who refer to themselves as palestinians are squatters.  It never was their land.

Hmmm.... well... apparently land there belongs to whoever has the most firepower, and for the time being, that seems to be the Zionists.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2010, 03:21:42 AM »
See, told you guys that TM and yellowtail are over thinkers. I see these 2 as college professor's, sitting with pipe's in their mouth,thinking, I wonder why they would want to kill women and children?? Maybe because their godless scum that don't have the guts to fight like real men, chickens**t people that should be sent to hell. Oh, wait a minute, let me think about that! gypsyman
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2010, 03:36:35 AM »
Hmmm.... well... apparently land there belongs to whoever has the most firepower, and for the time being, that seems to be the Zionists.

It belongs to whoever God gave it to...... :o

The Zionist(if there is such a thing) own nothing.  They are simply a misguided political movement.
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2010, 03:39:42 AM »
See, told you guys that TM and yellowtail are over thinkers. I see these 2 as college professor's, sitting with pipe's in their mouth,thinking, I wonder why they would want to kill women and children??

where is the over-thinking? Thread originator asks why this crime should happen - well, he's looking for someone to defend their actions (?) - and I offer a reason why it happened, a motive. I'm certainly not the first or only person to think of it. Overthinking?

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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2010, 04:08:03 AM »
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I wonder why they would want to kill women and children?? Maybe because their godless scum that don't have the guts to fight like real men, chickens**t people that should be sent to hell.



GYPSYMAN. Because they were soft targets, cowards pick on those unable to defend themselves. The baby was I'm sure an unexpected bonus that they are probably still bragging about.
yellowtail. Swampman is right, the Godless ones are squatters and don't belong there, God gave that land to Israel forever.  POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2010, 04:34:40 AM »
Those who refer to themselves as palestinians are squatters.  It never was their land.

Hmmm.... well... apparently land there belongs to whoever has the most firepower, and for the time being, that seems to be the Zionists.

  Where I believe the misunderstanding exists, is that there were no "Palestinians" b efore 1948. The group in that area at p[resent are a hodge-podge of refugees, kicked or tempted out of their land of birth by those very countries. They come from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and other places.
  Old Yassir "liver lips" Arafat, their revered late leader...was a self promoting Egyptian.
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2010, 05:03:21 AM »
There is not defence for this kind of murder even though revenge is probably a motive...and 'eye for an eye' if indeed it is homeless Palestinians shooting at settlers on their land. Often these attacks are by the very people that lost their homes on the very people that now inhabit their homes.  I'm with yellowtail ...we need more details on the attack. The only detail is that they have rolled out hawk John Bolton to announce peace talks are derailed now.

BTW...I believe nobody has said if the attacked were moslems, christians, or jews. The famous pizza parlor bombing resulted in mostly dead moslems for example...

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Which shows the idiocy, blind hate, and lack of respect for human life that the mohammedeans have.  They don't give a darn who they kill in their attempts to advance their murderous cause.  The quazzam brigades are the same thugs responsible for most of the rockets launched at random into Israel.  Yeah, the brave followers of mohammed, carrying out the dictates of koran and hadith.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2010, 05:07:29 AM »
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I wonder why they would want to kill women and children?? Maybe because their godless scum that don't have the guts to fight like real men, chickens**t people that should be sent to hell.

I'm wondering about something now - how is it that real men fight?
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 06:14:48 AM »
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I wonder why they would want to kill women and children?? Maybe because their godless scum that don't have the guts to fight like real men, chickens**t people that should be sent to hell.

I'm wondering about something now - how is it that real men fight?

For starters, not hiding in hospitals or day care centers and staging attacks, almost literally, from behind womens skirts.  Or using women and babies as shields. And not going after soft targets, like pregnant women and little children, almost exclusively.

"Real" men will put themselves between danger and the helpless.  Allahs warriors seem to make a habit of putting the helpless between themselves and danger.  But, I expect that you will not be able to any difference though.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 06:18:48 AM »
For starters, not hiding in hospitals or day care centers and staging attacks, almost literally, from behind womens skirts.  Or using women and babies as shields. And not going after soft targets, like pregnant women and little children, almost exclusively.

"Real" men will put themselves between danger and the helpless.  Allahs warriors seem to make a habit of putting the helpless between themselves and danger.  But, I expect that you will not be able to any difference though.

I hear you. You've provided examples of how they do not (should not) fight... but how do they fight? Questioning... do they seek out equal opponents? Announce their intent before striking? Firebomb cities full of women and children?
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 06:47:38 AM »
For starters, not hiding in hospitals or day care centers and staging attacks, almost literally, from behind womens skirts.  Or using women and babies as shields. And not going after soft targets, like pregnant women and little children, almost exclusively.

"Real" men will put themselves between danger and the helpless.  Allahs warriors seem to make a habit of putting the helpless between themselves and danger.  But, I expect that you will not be able to any difference though.

I hear you. You've provided examples of how they do not (should not) fight... but how do they fight? Questioning... do they seek out equal opponents? Announce their intent before striking? Firebomb cities full of women and children?

Well, you were not as predictable as I thought - you did go to Dresden, but you neglected Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  And I knew you wouldn't be able to see the distinction. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 07:35:25 AM »
Well, you were not as predictable as I thought - you did go to Dresden, but you neglected Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  And I knew you wouldn't be able to see the distinction.  

I didn't say anything about Dresden - I asked how real men fight, as opposed to the other kind of men. But I do recognize the reference. For those that do no... Dresden was a city in eastern Germany that was repeatedly bombed for three days by the USAAF and RAF, while crammed full of refugees - women and children - who were fleeing the approaching Red Army. Not precision bombing, but area bombing, designed to destroy the city and kill its inhabitants.

But since you've brought it up - three cities full of civilians, burnt to the ground, hundreds of thousands of dead? - would you proffer those bombings as examples of how real men fight?
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2010, 08:16:14 AM »
Apples & Oranges......
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2010, 08:25:30 AM »
Apples & Oranges......

Well, they're not the same... but they're both fruits!

Who is gonna tell me how real men fight?
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2010, 09:01:39 AM »
Of course at that time, Germany HAD de-centralized war production.  Many, many parts and pieces were produced in houses and small factories in and around cities.  The only way to stop production was to bomb the cities.  Also... it was considered to be justified due to German attacks on London and the myriad human atrocities committed by them.


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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2010, 09:13:56 AM »
Muslim law states that non combatants like women and children should not be killed . Now for the life of me i can't see a child in the womb could be a threat. No spin intended .


 First:Not at that moment anyway.
Second: Would the pregnancy have been visible to the shooters?
Third: I'm sure when the IDF was pounding Gaza with bombs, missiles and artillery recently, not one Palestinian pregnrant woman was killed. ::)
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2010, 09:31:08 AM »
It's quite sad that the ME is in such turmoil ,  Innocents are used as pawns to derail any hopes of re-starting a peace process.
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2010, 09:40:23 AM »
...................... Maybe because their godless scum that don't have the guts to fight like real men, chickens**t ....................

Maybe because they haven't got an Air Force, Navy, Armored vehicles and drones. ::)
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2010, 09:43:39 AM »
cut and paste from WIKIPEDIA,

I'd say I pretty much agree this is how real men and nations should fight .

The law of war is a body of law concerning acceptable justifications to engage in war and the limits to acceptable wartime conduct . The law of war is considered an aspect of public international law  (the law of nations) and is distinguished from other bodies of law, such as the domestic law of a particular belligerent to a conflict, that may also provide legal limits to the conduct or justification of war.

Among other issues, modern laws of war address declarations of war, acceptance of surrender and the treatment of prisoners of war, military necessity along with distinction and proportionality, and the prohibition of certain weapons that may cause unnecessary suffering.

Some of the central principles underlying laws of war are:

    * Wars should be limited to achieving the political goals that started the war (e.g., territorial control) and should not include unnecessary destruction;
    * Wars should be brought to an end as quickly as possible;
    * People and property that do not contribute to the war effort should be protected against unnecessary destruction and hardship;

To this end, laws of war are intended to mitigate the evils of war by:

    * Protecting both combatants and noncombatants from unnecessary suffering;
    * Safeguarding certain fundamental human rights of persons who fall into the hands of the enemy, particularly prisoners of war, the wounded and sick, and civilians;
    * Facilitating the restoration of peace.

in my mind this is a pretty good outline.


of course there is always the other argument  - perhaps war should be so horrendous without any laws that Men will seek peaceful solutions to their conflicts instead of ever thinking of going to war with each other.
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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2010, 10:14:25 AM »
cut and paste from WIKIPEDIA,

I'd say I pretty much agree this is how real men and nations should fight .

The law of war is a body of law concerning acceptable justifications to engage in war and the limits to acceptable wartime conduct . The law of war is considered an aspect of public international law  (the law of nations) and is distinguished from other bodies of law, such as the domestic law of a particular belligerent to a conflict, that may also provide legal limits to the conduct or justification of war.

Among other issues, modern laws of war address declarations of war, acceptance of surrender and the treatment of prisoners of war, military necessity along with distinction and proportionality, and the prohibition of certain weapons that may cause unnecessary suffering.

Some of the central principles underlying laws of war are:

    * Wars should be limited to achieving the political goals that started the war (e.g., territorial control) and should not include unnecessary destruction;
    * Wars should be brought to an end as quickly as possible;
    * People and property that do not contribute to the war effort should be protected against unnecessary destruction and hardship;

To this end, laws of war are intended to mitigate the evils of war by:

    * Protecting both combatants and noncombatants from unnecessary suffering;
    * Safeguarding certain fundamental human rights of persons who fall into the hands of the enemy, particularly prisoners of war, the wounded and sick, and civilians;
    * Facilitating the restoration of peace.

in my mind this is a pretty good outline.


of course there is always the other argument  - perhaps war should be so horrendous without any laws that Men will seek peaceful solutions to their conflicts instead of ever thinking of going to war with each other.


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Re: Somebody tell us now...
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2010, 10:48:41 AM »
Apples & Oranges......

Well, they're not the same... but they're both fruits!

Who is gonna tell me how real men fight?

No, no.  Let's not get distracted.  You tell us why Allahs o, so brave warriors feel justified in targeting the helpless.  And where in their religion they find their justification of it.  And why their religion supports using the helpless as shields.

You are attempting to defend them by deflecting the discussion.  We see how the mohammedeans fight.  We have all read or heard their justifications of it using their scripture. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2010, 11:43:03 AM »
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First:Not at that moment anyway and secondl:
Second: Would the pregnancy have been visible to the shooters?
Third: I'm sure when the IDF was pounding Gaza with bombs, missiles and artilley recently, not one Palestinian pregnant woman was killed.



HEH. Seems ol tm has more kids than we thought. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2010, 12:18:04 PM »
That is the type of Ding- a-ling post I expected from PM ::)
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