Have you been thirsting for an original M-1?

[ironglow]

  If you have been wanting an M-1, especially one with some history behind it, you just missed you chance, along with some 85,000 others who would just love to get one.
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

[Avyctes]

I just finished reading this article and was about to post the link.

Ridiculous, and disheartening.

I missed out on the first run of M1 Carbines from CMP because I found a NPM locally and it was too good to pass up.

But I'd still like to order a Carbine and possibly another M1 Rifle from CMP.

I hope they can work something out and get these rifles and carbines back in the US.

[shot1]

My question is how did Korea get these rifles? Did they pay the USA for them or were they loaned to them? If they were loaned to them then they need to send them back to the US TAX PAYER that owns them. If Obomination will not let them return MY RIFLE to me then HE PERSONALLY owes me monetary compensation plus interest for all the years that MY RIFLE  was loaned to Korea. Maybe we need to sick Mattlock or Perry Mason or maybe Glyn Beck on them.     

[Swampman]

Since we won't take them back, who do you think will get them?

[1911crazy]

These were the lend / lease program,  we the tax payers paid for them already.

I don't and won't own anything american made in the surplus military stuff because its way out of wack price wise plus i'm too frugal.  Now do i want a 1903 springfield for $1,000 or a russian mosin for $99 laminated stock, my point is i could probably purchase a 91/30 lam, a 91/30 hex, a 91/30 round, a M91/59, a M38 and an M44 and still be way under $1,000.  The higher prices on the american made stuff doesn't make sense to me.  All the european guns were used in the same wars and some fought even more wars than our guns did with way more history behind them and they even fired side by side with us in some wars.  So why is the american made stuff worth so much???  Its not to me.

[mrussel]

Write your congressman. I know I will write mine.

[mrussel]

These were the lend / lease program,  we the tax payers paid for them already.

I don't and won't own anything american made in the surplus military stuff because its way out of wack price wise plus i'm too frugal.  Now do i want a 1903 springfield for $1,000 or a russian mosin for $99 laminated stock, my point is i could probably purchase a 91/30 lam, a 91/30 hex, a 91/30 round, a M91/59, a M38 and an M44 and still be way under $1,000.  The higher prices on the american made stuff doesn't make sense to me.  All the european guns were used in the same wars and some fought even more wars than our guns did with way more history behind them and they even fired side by side with us in some wars.  So why is the american made stuff worth so much???  Its not to me.

 With nearly a million on the market,they would not get those kind of prices. Write your senator and your congressman and let him know that you want him (or her) to do something about this. Remind him that criminals dont like long guns,but collectors do.

[Range Rider]

Just wait the they will end up on the world surplus market.  These old girls are useless as modern warfare guns. They will bring big bucks across the globe to gun lovers. These rifles will start showing up at Gun Shows and auctions.  This may be good. I bet you if these guns were brought back to the US by or government they would be cut up for scrap metal. Don't look the gift horse in mouth.  Where do you think all those Blue Sky marked Garands came from a few years back.  That was the same deal.

[Victor3]

  So why is the american made stuff worth so much???

 Because we 'lent' so much of it to countries like Korea and they won't give it back. Lost a few tools to 'friends' like that myself. 

 There aren't piles of US rifles on the US market like the Euro stuff, so prices are higher due to rarity.

 Just wait till they tally up all the stuff we leave for the good folks in Iraq after we leave...

[Swampman]

So why is American made stuff worth so much?

It's better made and better looking.

[ironglow]

So why is American made stuff worth so much?

It's better made and better looking.

  Perhaps the market is flooded with certain arms from Europe etc, because in the countries which built them...owning a gun is not quite so easy.

   I stand corrected on the numbers..between the Garrands and the carbines, there are nearly a million  guns involved. Put that many on the market right away and the prices would surely moderate.
        By nixing the sale, the "double-dribble" prez  is just  caving to the antis among the millions who were duped into voting for his highness.
     It does however, appear that SOME of those formerly brain-dead voters..have had some life-giving nutrients pumped into their gray matter.

[shot1]

Those rifles will not be allowed to come into the US by any means. You will not see them at gun shows. Importation of these weapons have been banned by the powers that be.

I don't know about you but I sure would not want to face a bunch of Afghan fighters armed with M1 Garand and M1 carbines. They fought the Russian army to a standstill with a mix of 303 Enfields, Mausers, and Ak's.

If they don't come to the USA Korea will sell them to someone that will put them to use most likely against the USA.

[Swampman]

Exactly!

[Littlepage]

It's ok to import  a single stack sportser ak, but a m1 is not?  Importing yugo sks--yes      importing m1 carbine--no   What's just stupid.  I need a m1 carbine to match my Erma m1 22.  

[mrussel]

It's ok to import  a single stack sportser ak, but a m1 is not?  Importing yugo sks--yes      importing m1 carbine--no   What's just stupid.  I need a m1 carbine to match my Erma m1 22.  

 Let me answer for the gun control types.

 "No its NOT OK to import a single stack "sporter" AK any more than it is to import an M1 assault carbine. They are both deadly weapons that have no business on our streets killing our children but we cant do much about the AK becuase we have keep what REALLY defines an assault weapon quiet, that is,anything with a sturdy metal tube that you can stick a cartridge in and make fire a projectile fast enough to cause at least mile injury. As such we have to make up definitions that include things like plastic pistol grips or bayonet lugs so we can try to ban as many weapons as we can, becuase once we define a weapon as an "assault weapon" its owner can then be cast as a "gun hoarding paramilitary nutjob" rather than a sportsman and outdoorsman like our uncles and grandfathers who we fondly remember taking us fishing when we were kids"

 Thats the problem,its not about reality,or even certain guns,its all about images and rhetoric. Think about it,why do they KEEP going on about the FN FiveSeven and the 5.7x28 as if it were armor piercing,when they KNOW that the ammo legally available in the US is not.(And how could they not,it is constantly brought up and ATF even issued a statement on it.) Why did they go on FOR YEARS about the Glock,which was "The plastic handgun that can slip through airport security" Its all about convincing the people that dont know anything about guns that certain guns,then certain other guns,one at a time,until they have convinced them that ALL guns have no place in the hands of civilians. The M1 to them is really no different than my Mosin Nagant to them. They are both guns. They only real difference is that they have jumped on the magazine issue becuase its all they know. If they realized that the Mosin Nagant was used as a snipers rifle,and that in fact,many desnipered ones were mixed in,they would bring that up. "OMG,they are importing "snipers rifles" that evil criminals (and now terrorists,cant forget the terrorists after 9-11. If you dont like something,connect it with terrorists,dont like fatty foods? Eat those chips and the terrorists win!) will use to kill people. Ban the Mosin Nagant Assault Sniper Rifle!!!! Dont forget the Carcanos too,JFK was killed with one of those so they must be evil.

 As an historical side note,Wikipedia claims this was the ad that Oswald bought the rifle from http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/KleinsAd1963.jpg  Just look at those prices!

[ironglow]

  Don't look for "common sense" in any of the laws being passed by congress these days..

[1911crazy]

They allowed the first shippment to come here from south korea but won't allow the rest to arrive.  Think about it they threw us a treat(the pro gunners) the first time and the anti's on this one. There playing both sides of the fence and not taking a stand either way.  Remember november is comming soon too.  We need to get the anti dirtbags out of there and get the real people who will support us in office.

Vote  vote  vote  vote  vote

Some of this stuff is in bad shape too.  I've seen pics of the late cmp stuff.

[1911crazy]

Those rifles will not be allowed to come into the US by any means. You will not see them at gun shows. Importation of these weapons have been banned by the powers that be.

I don't know about you but I sure would not want to face a bunch of Afghan fighters armed with M1 Garand and M1 carbines. They fought the Russian army to a standstill with a mix of 303 Enfields, Mausers, and Ak's.

If they don't come to the USA Korea will sell them to someone that will put them to use most likely against the USA.

Thats ok we have ak's right?  You can probably buy two new russian izhmash  saiga's at the cost of one well used put away wet garand.  I'd perfer the brand new russian izhmash saiga's.

[Avyctes]

1911Crazy, look at it this way. 

Even though Mosins et al are dime/dozen figuratively speaking, how many Mosins do you really need?  Sure you can buy one a month.  But me personally, I'd rather have 2 Mosins and a M1 Garand than 12 Mosins.  Quit buying Mosins and buy a piece of US history.  Sure it costs more.  But as previously mentioned, they aren't 'over priced'';  the market value reflects the fact that there are tons of Mosins dumped on the market while many US rifles have sat over seas for 65 years. 

Now as to quality, looks, etc, crap we could sit here till the cows come home and argue amongst ourselves whether a M1 Carbine has a slicker feel and sexier style as compared to a m95 Steyr that you bought for $85.  We could argue the merits of the 03 Springfield rifle as compared to the RC k98 Mauser you got for $200.  We could make the argument that the SKS is any of its various forms is a better automatic rifle than the M1 Garand.  But when you start talking value, price, worth.  These are market driven. 

The fact is the countries over seas are dumping these Mosins and Steyrs on the market to drum up cash, and yes we're having a grand old time of it buying $80 m91/30s.  I've bought my share, and will do so again.  But I've never felt so excited in my life as I have when I had a US battle rifle coming to my door.  Heck, I took a vacation day and stayed home waiting for a FedEx truck to bring my Remington 03A3 from CMP. 

Buy yourself a M1 Garand, trust me you will not regret it.  You can still get one from CMP for a decent price.  Plus, you're getting an investment piece, if you will, that you can always, always get your money back out of, probably more than your investment. 

Oh, and I've got a Danish return Rack Grade that can hit baseballs at 100 yards no problem if  I do my part.  I feel sure you would not be disappointed if you dropped about $500 into a CMP rifle!

I started off collecting European rifles because of price.  Once I started buying US rifles, for sure the number of pieces I added to my collection slowed down dramatically.  But the ones I cherish, the ones I think of as the pieces my kids will inherit one day, the ones that have the 'high seat' in my collection, are my US rifles.  And my mind never ceases to connive and scheme trying to think of how to get the ones I'm missing, but simply can't afford right now.

MIA from my collection:
Krag
m1903
m1917
1911 Pistol
m1917 Revolver

[Range Rider]

Well said Avyctes.  You are right on very good advice.  Cowboy up and buy a slice of American history. That old M1 Grand, 1903,1895 Krag,1911 they belonged to our winning team.

[mrussel]

I guess the difference is,some people like to have guns around to shoot,some people like to collect guns,and some people like to collect old military guns. I seem to be falling into the latter camp. It all started with a Mosin. I found there is just something about shooting a gun with history. I certainly want a M1. Why not a brand new AK? Because its not old,it was made in a factory last year. Thats boring. I want an M1,becuase I dont HAVE an M1. I wanted a Mauser becuase I had no Mausers. For that matter,why did I buy the ex sniper Mosin I found in an instant when I already have several Mosins that shoot pretty good? Because it is unique. Shooting it is NOT the same as shooting the other ones. In fact shooting each is a unique experience becuase each is a unique weapon with a unique history. Its the same reason I like my Steyr M95. Someone suggested I re-barrel it to some caliber I can find more readily,but that's not the point. For that same reason,I'm not going to drill holes in it and put a scope on it. Getting a weapon,learning all about it,and understanding where and how it was used and who used it is all part of what I like about these guns. If I just wanted something to shoot,Id go buy some hunting rifle in 30-06. Most of my old rifles are sort of like a 30-06,so if its just about putting lead on the target,there's not a lot of difference between any of them. The next things I need to get my hands on are a Carcano,and K31,an M1,maybe a Tokerov,and of course a Nagant revolver. I almost forgot,I need an Arisaka too.

[ironglow]

Avyctes, mrussel;
    Rather like if being given a choice of the two..you would turn down a brand new Mossberg .22 in favor of a Brown Bess used at New Orleans in 1815 ...
  That is somewhat of a hyperbole, but still describes the choice. 

[Avyctes]

Avyctes, mrussel;
    Rather like if being given a choice of the two..you would turn down a brand new Mossberg .22 in favor of a Brown Bess used at New Orleans in 1815 ... Wink Cheesy
  That is somewhat of a hyperbole, but still describes the choice. 

Definitely!

[1911crazy]

The m1 garand was an awesome weapon of war and it probably actually won the war for us along with the sherman tank but i don't want a tank either.  I really don't see any $500 garands if i did i might buy one.  When the military surplus guns get as high as new modern guns i find myself on the fence on which one to get.  Plus what is it good for?  If i purchased a new springfield m1a(m14) it would probably be a $1,200 safe queen as to where my saiga's in 308win get shot all the time.  Ok i got the braggin rights that i have one(m1a). The saiga in 308 only cost me $389 NIB. I could buy 3 saiga's for one m1a go figure.  The american made military surplus stuff just isn't me price wise, i'm just too frugal.  I'm having too much fun with the affordable stuff like the egyptian hakims,  frn49's, svt40 tokarev's ect.  Plus the bolt action european rifles too.  I like them all but refuse to purchase the high dollar over priced american made stuff.  Its my choice and its too late and i'm too stubborn to change now plus i got into too late to own the high dollar stuff when it was affordable.  I did shoot a full auto m14 at my local gun shops range and it was awesome while the barrel climb was controllable it was its 10k price tag that drove me away.  I could afford one right now but its not on my list of wants.

Anyway with the russian izhmash saiga's i get to own, touch and shoot a brand new russian manufactured ak/akm not someones butcherd rework. With the mosins and other imported guns have you seen the prices on the net yet?  The guns for sale sites?  I seen an fn49 in 7mm vene sell for $1,500.  Everything is going up.

After dropping $1,000 on my new 700 remington in '94 i have learned it only goes hunting once or twice a year.  Its just not cost effective right now for me to drop that much cash into one rifle.  I put a limit on new guns at $500 and under thats it.  I'm short timing it (60yo)right now but i'm still having fun doing it.  I could go out tonight and get a brand new vette but thats not me either i have a subie with 200k miles on it and i'll drive it until 300k.

[Curtis]

I really don't see any $500 garands if i did i might buy one.

Keep your eyes open, they're out there.  This time last year a coworker of mine who is an avid collector decided to steer his collection in a different direction (think Brown Bess) and to do that he had to sell off some.  I bought two of his Springfield Garands (he had seven or eight), one for me and one for my son.  He wouldn't let go of his IH no matter how I pleaded.  These are six digit serial numbers from 1940 and 1941, both rebarrelled in 1944.  They function flawlessly but I haven't had them on the bench to find out if one or both is a shooter.  The muzzles of both have lots of wear from cleaning rods  I gave $500 each for them.

About three months later, I ran across another even better deal.  This seller let me have a hand picked CMP Springfield Garand (1954 vintage) with a perfect barrel, two 240 round cans of boxed ammo and one 192 round can of ammo in enbloc clips and bandoleers - $750 for everything.  He had bought it with the intention of getting into shooting competition with it but that never happened, so I'm pretty sure this one is a good shooter.

Factor in that the latest purchase probably saved me the expense of having to rebarrel one of the others in order to have a shooter and the last one was a REALLY good deal.  Top that off with the fact that I was actually looking for Garands when I found the first two.  Normally that doesn't happen with me.  Anyhow, just had to brag a little.  I've got a nice Krag sporter, a Chinese SKS and a Yugo M48B and I love them all, but the Garands I would give up last.

Curtis

[mrussel]

The m1 garand was an awesome weapon of war and it probably actually won the war for us along with the sherman tank but i don't want a tank either.  I really don't see any $500 garands if i did i might buy one.  When the military surplus guns get as high as new modern guns i find myself on the fence on which one to get.  Plus what is it good for?  If i purchased a new springfield m1a(m14) it would probably be a $1,200 safe queen as to where my saiga's in 308win get shot all the time.  Ok i got the braggin rights that i have one(m1a). The saiga in 308 only cost me $389 NIB. I could buy 3 saiga's for one m1a go figure.  The american made military surplus stuff just isn't me price wise, i'm just too frugal.  I'm having too much fun with the affordable stuff like the egyptian hakims,  frn49's, svt40 tokarev's ect.  Plus the bolt action european rifles too.  I like them all but refuse to purchase the high dollar over priced american made stuff.  Its my choice and its too late and i'm too stubborn to change now plus i got into too late to own the high dollar stuff when it was affordable.  I did shoot a full auto m14 at my local gun shops range and it was awesome while the barrel climb was controllable it was its 10k price tag that drove me away.  I could afford one right now but its not on my list of wants.

Anyway with the russian izhmash saiga's i get to own, touch and shoot a brand new russian manufactured ak/akm not someones butcherd rework. With the mosins and other imported guns have you seen the prices on the net yet?  The guns for sale sites?  I seen an fn49 in 7mm vene sell for $1,500.  Everything is going up.

After dropping $1,000 on my new 700 remington in '94 i have learned it only goes hunting once or twice a year.  Its just not cost effective right now for me to drop that much cash into one rifle.  I put a limit on new guns at $500 and under thats it.  I'm short timing it (60yo)right now but i'm still having fun doing it.  I could go out tonight and get a brand new vette but thats not me either i have a subie with 200k miles on it and i'll drive it until 300k.

 I DO want a Sherman tank,but I just know I will never be able to afford one.

[Littlepage]

Some people are willing to pay more for certain American surplus arms because our ancestors and family members carried them into battle.

[Avyctes]

I really don't see any $500 garands if i did i might buy one.

CMP has HRA Field Grade for $495, and Southern Ohio Gun's has had Garands for under $500 for months now.  The Spring 2010 catalog had them for $429!

CMP also had M1 Carbines for as little as $425 or so for the Inlands.

I'm having too much fun with the affordable stuff like the egyptian hakims,  frn49's, svt40 tokarev's ect. (sic)

Last few FRN49s, or SVT40s I've seen have been more than $500.  Much more. That statement just doesn't 'wash'.  Affordable?  An SVT40 will run close to a grand now.  I can buy two M1 Garands for what I can get one SVT40 for.  I'd like to see a source for your 'affordable' SVT40s as I would love to have one.  No clue on the Hakims.  I've looked at them on Gunbroker before but it's been awhile.

It sounds more like you just don't like US stuff, which is fine.  But you can't really use terms like 'frugal' and 'overpriced', and then say you buy Tokarev rifles, which are more expensive than a run of the mill M1.  To get close to the ball park of a Tokarev rifle price you'd have to buy one of the Special Grade M1s from CMP ($895-$995).

If you have a source for $495 Tokarevs please post a link!  I don't care about a Hakim, but an SVT would be awesome.  Then I'd just need one of 'Hitler's Garands': a G43.   

[84Jim]

CMP also had M1 Carbines for as little as $425 or so for the Inlands.

Unfortunately, the CMP is out of carbines until further notice.  No more Springfields either.  But if you pick through the racks you can still get a decent M1 shooter for 500 bucks or so.  And if I recall, the Inland Carbines were $495.

I guess its whatever floats your boat.  I'm glad I bought several each of the WWII guns while the CMP still had them.  They're all worth more than I paid, and will only continue to appreciate.

Jim

[Avyctes]

Unfortunately, the CMP is out of carbines until further notice.

I know.  I wish the state department would allow this 700k M1 Carbines and several more thousand M1 Rifles in.  If they do allow them in eventually I wish CMP would lower the max you can buy so they will last longer this time.

When I went to Camp Perry in 2005 and hand picked my HRA there were racks and racks of 1903s, 1903A3s and m1917s.  Boy do I wish I'd bought an 03 and a 1917 while I was there now.