Author Topic: Have you been thirsting for an original M-1? (Read 3596 times)

1911crazy · « **Reply #30 on:** September 09, 2010, 11:59:18 AM »

It sure does wash, I paid an average of $150 to $300 for 6 egyptain hakims, an svt-40 tokarev for $300, the fn49's from $270 to $399 not too long ago. I just happen to be in the right place with smoe extra cash when they went up for sale. I've seen the Vene 7mm fn49 go for $1,500 to $2,000 on guns america then i found one in excellect condition++++ with a bore that appears to be unshot with square edges still on the rifling well under $1,000. The finds are still out there if we stay looking.

I kick myself when i got into this sport at first I seen tables full of G43 snipers, 98k snipers and 41 johnsons around $1,000+ back then. They didn't look like a great buy back then but they sure are now.

I'll leave the used m1 carbines and m1 garands for you guys. If i was going to get an american military gun it would be the M1a/m14 or a new/rebuilt m1 garand from aim surplus but i just can't justify spending that much cash on one gun. Maybe when my collection rounds out i'll go after the more expensive stuff someday....

My point is price wise if some are chomping on the bit to get into this sport of collecting or just to put meat on the table the cheap mosins will do just that. I hope they don't wait too long its still not too late.

84Jim · « **Reply #31 on:** September 09, 2010, 12:51:28 PM »

Avyctes,

I've pondered the limits on the CMP guns too. I know or have heard of a lot of people who have profited greatly by buying their yearly limit (I think its 12 guns) and reselling them at shows and shops. Usually after they stripped them and kept the best parts for themselves. But I guess we could have done the same thing, assuming we had the up front capital. On the other hand, considering the political climate, all of those guns have escaped the crusher and are out in the market.

Yeah, I had plans to buy another 03A3, but missed the boat too. I love that rifle!

Jim

1911crazy · « **Reply #32 on:** September 09, 2010, 01:19:15 PM »

Did they purchase them on there C&RFFL03??? If they sold them right away they broke the law. Your not really to buy and sell with the C&RFFL03 license. The law states your suppose to own it for a year before selling it. I make it a rule to trade with C&R holders only.

moorepower · « **Reply #33 on:** September 17, 2010, 01:59:48 PM »

You join a club that has CMP matches and this makes you eligible to buy from the CMP. I have a Springfield that I rebarreled with a Kreiger, so I guess my $500 budget is blown Humm! That is probably the last gun that I would part with. I have 2 M-38's and 2 M-59's, and they are fun and mostly accurate, but the Garand is just much more special to me.

1911crazy · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2010, 08:28:26 AM »

Quote from: moorepower on September 17, 2010, 01:59:48 PM

You join a club that has CMP matches and this makes you eligible to buy from the CMP. I have a Springfield that I rebarreled with a Kreiger, so I guess my $500 budget is blown Humm! That is probably the last gun that I would part with. I have 2 M-38's and 2 M-59's, and they are fun and mostly accurate, but the Garand is just much more special to me.

I joined the club to purchase from CMP but i'm not impressed with what i'm seeing in the quality of what there offering. Most of the guys are refinishing and replacing the wood and metal. Most are not in good shape. I can locally find a m1carbine in decent shape for $900 or less. But do i really need one?

Avyctes · « **Reply #35 on:** September 28, 2010, 11:12:53 AM »

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I can locally find a m1carbine in decent shape for $900 or less. But do i really need one?

No, none of us need these things. I collect WW2 firearms, so I felt I 'needed' one for my collection. 'Need' is a word the liberals like to throw around when they're discussing gun control.

"You don't NEED a machine gun".

"You don't NEED an AR15".

"You don't NEED an assault rifle".

No I don't, no more so than they need anything they have above and beyond food and shelter.

Plus, you could buy 10 mosins for $900!

1911crazy · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2010, 04:09:57 PM »

Thanks now you got me just looking at m1 carbines just what i need, but seriously your guys are right i should have "1". I know when i start in this direction its going to get really ugly for my wallet. I better send the misses on a nice vacation first to cushin this expense. You have me making lists now on what to look for;

1. M1 Carbine
2. 1903 springfield
3. Winchester 1917 eddystone
4. 30-40 krag

This may take me some time.....

mrussel · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2010, 06:22:13 PM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on September 09, 2010, 01:19:15 PM

Did they purchase them on there C&RFFL03??? If they sold them right away they broke the law. Your not really to buy and sell with the C&RFFL03 license. The law states your suppose to own it for a year before selling it. I make it a rule to trade with C&R holders only.

According to ATF or at least what they sent me and what I read on their site,you dont "purchase it with your FFL03. You are just licensed. As such any guns you get that qualify as a C&R must be handled as per the rules and regulations. It does not matter for instance if you purchase a WWI vintage Mauser from a site on the internet and get it shipped directly to you,getting a nice discount in the process by sending them a copy of your FFL03 or if you live in California,go down to the corner gun store,put down your money,and go through the waiting period (that is,buy it "normally") it STILL must be logged into your book and treated like any other C&R you purchase. Ive never heard anything about a 1 year rule. Im a little skeptical as it does seem rather different than the "You dont use your C&R to buy guns,your just licensed and therefore certain restrictions for guns that meet the C&R definition such do not apply to you" rule. In other words,some vendors choose to give discounts. Thats their choice. Its illegal to ship guns to individuals. That does not apply to people with licenses applicable for the guns they are purchasing. Id like a concrete link to for instance a ATF website. Still,I will write or call them when my C&R comes in and get it from the horses mouth,rather than just deciding I dont believe it. The only thing worse than thinking "I read it on the internet so it must be true" and getting in trouble would be "I read it on the internet,thought it was a load of BS,ignored it,and got in trouble"

Essentially my skepticism stems from the fact that if that IS true,then once you have a FFL03 ANY gun over 50 years old,or that gets most of its value from being collectible,or that has been certified by a museum curator to be a C&R,or is on the C&R list must be kept for one year before selling it.

mrussel · « **Reply #38 on:** September 28, 2010, 06:22:49 PM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on September 28, 2010, 04:09:57 PM

Thanks now you got me just looking at m1 carbines just what i need, but seriously your guys are right i should have "1". I know when i start in this direction its going to get really ugly for my wallet. I better send the misses on a nice vacation first to cushin this expense. You have me making lists now on what to look for;

1. M1 Carbine
2. 1903 springfield
3. Winchester 1917 eddystone
4. 30-40 krag

This may take me some time.....

Oh,30-40 krag,I better add that to my list! :-)

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #39 on:** September 28, 2010, 07:44:44 PM »

Just sold an IBM carbine a few months back. Don't miss it at all. The only mil surp I miss was the MK4 "T" that I sold many years ago. Thats only because of what its worth now!

Avyctes · « **Reply #40 on:** September 29, 2010, 06:27:23 AM »

I'd like an Inland now to go with my NPM. My grandma passed away a couple weeks ago, and I found out after wards that she worked for the Inland Division of GM. I always knew she'd retired after 30+ years with GM, but it never occurred to me to ask her what division she worked for. She and my granddad moved to Dayton, OH from the Saltville/Marion VA area in 1945 to find work right after they got married. I don't believe she made carbines because she started working there after the war was over, but it's still neat knowing that she worked for 30+ years at the same plant the Inland carbines came out of.

1911crazy · « **Reply #41 on:** September 29, 2010, 06:56:08 AM »

My two aunts worked for Remington Rand, my dad worked for the bullard machine tool company during the war manufacturing parts for torpedo's, he worked 24/7 non stop. They got hit with a bad snowstorm and nothing could move so they worked over 24hours straight making parts. The bullard company was swede owned from the 1800's and they had barrel quenching pits in the floor of the main shop. My uncle was in the south east part of the war on a PT boat. I guess he traded stuff thats how he got a astra 600/43 in 9mm luger which i have today. I lost my uncle Bill in the war and thats who i'm named after. The Bullard Machine, the Multi-Matic is a 65,000lb chucker that can make anything round up to trailer truck brake drums. It pops out finished parts faster than popcorn. Nothing can match the production of these chuckers even today. The car industry still uses them.

Back in the early 80's at bullards I rebuilt a vertical turret lathe that was in moth balls since ww2. It was for watervielt arsenal and was cutting breech boxes but at the time i didn't know what they were for. I later found out when i worked for Condiesel assembling the 155mm howitzers for the US ARMY i knew what the breech boxes were for. When i was at bullards i also built three lathes for chrysler tank(m1 abrams tank). Two were for the upper and lower turret bearing races and one was for avco lycomming for the main engine rotor for the m1 abrams tank engine. Avco purchased a lathe made in japan first but it couldn't cut the engine rotor because it wasn't heavy duty. The tooling alone to cut the main engine rotor cost $250k in the 80's. The bullard machine we built for doing it had no problem. I also built a lathe for NASA but i can't say what it made, lets say i can't remember.

ironglow · « **Reply #42 on:** September 29, 2010, 10:31:18 AM »

My Dad worked for Bell aircraft (P-39 Aircobra, Kingcobra). Our neighbor worked for Curtiss-Wright (P-40 tomahawk, Warhawk etc)..

marine · « **Reply #43 on:** October 11, 2010, 07:14:09 AM »

Im glad i bought my garand when i did. After researching it i found it was imported from the phillipines. I wish i could find a second one in great shape but at the current prices that may never happen. Why can i go to the store and buy an akm, sks, ar15 with 30rnd mags? I really cant see any criminal purchasing a m1 garand rifle and 8 round enbloc loaders and doing a drive by or even a home invasion with one of those. hell most criminals probably couldnt load one without mashing their thumb in the process. Oh well, I guess i will just have to look a little more for another M1 garand street sweeper with high capacity magazine

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Maybe clint eastwood scared the government with his m1 garand skills in gran torino. Hell yes now thats the way to get some gang bangers of the lawn. I say do it with some style.

Avyctes · « **Reply #44 on:** October 12, 2010, 05:29:15 AM »

A recent NRA email noted that several members of Congress and the House of Representatives were writing the State Department in protest of the import ban on these M1s. The letters noted the CMP's efforts, that these rifles are identical to the ones sold by CMP that were already sanctioned and funded by the US Government, etc. Who knows, maybe something will change. Keeping my fingers crossed. I want an Inland from CMP. There's just something really cool about getting that box from CMP. I love it.

mrussel · « **Reply #45 on:** October 12, 2010, 04:59:01 PM »

Quote from: Avyctes on October 12, 2010, 05:29:15 AM

A recent NRA email noted that several members of Congress and the House of Representatives were writing the State Department in protest of the import ban on these M1s. The letters noted the CMP's efforts, that these rifles are identical to the ones sold by CMP that were already sanctioned and funded by the US Government, etc. Who knows, maybe something will change. Keeping my fingers crossed. I want an Inland from CMP. There's just something really cool about getting that box from CMP. I love it.

Write your congressman and your senators. I already have. Our tax dollars paid for these and now they just want to chop them up and recycle them for scrap steel.

Avyctes · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2010, 05:42:36 AM »

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Write your congressman and your senators. I already have. Our tax dollars paid for these and now they just want to chop them up and recycle them for scrap steel.

Done.

Range Rider · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2010, 02:10:57 PM »

I see 26 powerful politicos who back the NRA and gun ownners are asking Hillary Clinton to change her mind on these rifles. I have said all along these arms will end up on the U.S. market. This is a big buck deal for the American import market in hard economic times. Hillary wants to run for president. Hillary saw her old man get kicked out by gun owners. This change of heart would help this old "Lefty" in the next election.
RR

mrussel · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2010, 09:18:14 PM »

Quote from: Range Rider on October 13, 2010, 02:10:57 PM

I see 26 powerful politicos who back the NRA and gun ownners are asking Hillary Clinton to change her mind on these rifles. I have said all along these arms will end up on the U.S. market. This is a big buck deal for the American import market in hard economic times. Hillary wants to run for president. Hillary saw her old man get kicked out by gun owners. This change of heart would help this old "Lefty" in the next election.
RR

I dont think its Hillary that has to be convinced. This isn't the Bush administration. From what Ive read,Bush gave his people quite a bit of leeway and backed what they did. (A good example is 9-11. Cheney said to shoot down the jets (although there just was not enough time. Some people try to make out that they waited to long,but really,there just was not enough time to put he pieces together and make a decision). People on Cheneys end said they never heard him ask,and people on Bush's end say they never heard him tell it (it would have to have been Cheney asked and was told do it,or Bush told Cheney "shoot down the planes",and it should have been clear on one end or the other,even if it was not on both ends,that the order had been give by Bush) That does not really matter,becuase Bush backed his decision. That was his management style,make the broad sweeping policy decisions and let the staff handle all the "little stuff" and when your President you get to do it your way.
From what I have read,Obama runs things different. He gathers all the information in a methodical process from all the relevant parties and then makes a decision and has his people execute it. Its a totally different style. Im not knocking either one. Both can be just as effective. Still,if the import ban is going to be reversed,Hillary AND Obama have to be convinced becuase I dont beleive she made that decision on her own. My guess was it was more like "There are surplus US made guns in So Korea they want to send back. I think we shouldnt allow them to be imported. Some have detachable magazines so we can spin it as an assault weapon issue" and Obama probably approved it and told her to go ahead and do it. In that kind of an environment shes going to have to be convinced to go back and explain why it was initially a mistake and why they should now be allowed to be imported,becuase I really doubt it was completely her decision to begin with.

Avyctes · « **Reply #49 on:** October 14, 2010, 05:19:04 AM »

For what it's worth, I received a reply from one of my state's senators, Jay Rockefeller, after I emailed both senators and our congressman yesterday on this issue. Rockefeller (or his bot) sent me a surprisingly lengthy and detailed response. In the letter (which I will post here later if you wish, it's on my computer at home), he said he had someone contact the State Department and inquire about this issue, and passed on in his reply that the State Department said the ban was related to requests from LEOs. This just doesn't sound right to me, but I didn't argue the point. How many crimes do cops see perpetrated with M1s? Precious few I would think. They are hardly concealable.

mrussel · « **Reply #50 on:** October 14, 2010, 04:25:43 PM »

Quote from: Avyctes on October 14, 2010, 05:19:04 AM

For what it's worth, I received a reply from one of my state's senators, Jay Rockefeller, after I emailed both senators and our congressman yesterday on this issue. Rockefeller (or his bot) sent me a surprisingly lengthy and detailed response. In the letter (which I will post here later if you wish, it's on my computer at home), he said he had someone contact the State Department and inquire about this issue, and passed on in his reply that the State Department said the ban was related to requests from LEOs. This just doesn't sound right to me, but I didn't argue the point. How many crimes do cops see perpetrated with M1s? Precious few I would think. They are hardly concealable.

If its true,which departments. Show us the documents. Lets have a little transparency.