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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

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A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

"The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com

And yet the federal Civilian Marksmanship Program sells the exact same rifles to citizens every day (or at least when they're in stock). Hmm.

Seems to be some mixed reporting on this. Some folks are alleging that Obama is simply extending a 25 yr old policy which asserts that the weapons in question were lend/lease and should be returned to DOD (ODCMP) like the Greeks did a few years ago. If that allegation is true, then why is their no mention of it in the official statement?
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TN. Thanks for the link. Armed Americans scare the crap out of osama. I'd love to have a garand. If that many came into our country at once the price would be much lower than they are now, would be good news for us shooters and collectors. Even I might be able to afford one. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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I've been wanting one for a long time as well. Too pricey though.
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What a JOKE!!!   "They may fall into the wrong hands"    What a Bunch of Dumb Butts!  How would they fall into the wrong hands if they are given to dealers to sell?? I doubt the average gang banger would know how to load them. If they did they would say they are to heavy.  I don't get it anymore.
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A while back there was a thread where someone on here wanted to know what gun laws Obama passed, or what he has done that was anti gun and was challenging members to come up with something.
Well...here it is...right in front of them.  Hope they are reading this, even if they did not keep up on his anti gun stance while he was a state senator, there is no getting around this. 

So is this an executive order?  Just he says "NO"...and that's it?  Or did this go through some legislative process?   ;)

Well...maybe he figures with all the taxes we pay we should not be buying these with what little we have left over. 

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+1 powderman. I honestly believe that the corrupt gooberment fears those who would be armed. Why else would veterans be included in the DHS report of folks to watch for? I truly wondered if they ever really counted how many veterans there were? obamamajama is, besides a lying puke pos,a gun grabber, plain and simple. I have owned a couple of carbines in the past, have shot garands, I don't think i would own anymore of them. I'm actually thinking my next purchase will be an AR, an AK, or a romanian PSL in 7.62x54r.

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But, but, but there is NO DIFFERENCE between democrats and Republicans.   ::)
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What a Bunch of Dumb Butts!

pretty much says it all.   >:( >:( >:(

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What a JOKE!!!   "They may fall into the wrong hands"    What a Bunch of Dumb Butts!  How would they fall into the wrong hands if they are given to dealers to sell?? I doubt the average gang banger would know how to load them. If they did they would say they are to heavy.  I don't get it anymore.


They aren't worried about the guns falling into a gangbangers hands. They are worried about them getting into our hands!!  LEGALLY!!!

"We the people", are the wrong hands!!

If the stats I heard were correct there is 800,000,000 guns in America. 1,000,000 more wouldn't matter. He probably just did it to apease the "Brady Bunch". Who knows with that guy!
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But, but, but there is NO DIFFERENCE between democrats and Republicans.   ::)

Theres not?    sounds Like you may fall into that Bunch.   
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 08:01:21 AM »
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Theres not?    sounds Like you may fall into that Bunch.   


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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 08:17:53 AM »
But, but, but there is NO DIFFERENCE between democrats and Republicans.   ::)
YEP. demicans/republicrats same goal, different paths.

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 08:26:53 AM »
I hear that  NO DIFFERENCE crap a lot from Demorats.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2010, 08:39:30 AM »
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I hear that  NO DIFFERENCE crap a lot from Demorats.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2010, 08:48:12 AM »
My fear is that the Obama Adminastration will use our tax money and buy them up.  Then chop them into scrap metal.

And I want one of each.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2010, 08:57:23 AM »
SEEMS SOMEONE SHOULD CHALLENGE THAT IN COURT..............Like maybe  NRA for instance!
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2010, 09:25:48 AM »
Well... I'm glad for the $69.95 M44! Shot this guy with it in 2008 season....



This was actually a three-shot deer; once through the shoulder/chest, but then it looked like he was going to get up, and I was near thick stuff... light fading... so I shot twice more from the tree, about fifty/sixty yards out. One when threw his ear, and another through neck/foreleg. I regret that shot, ruining as it did the neck roast... but he didn't go anywhere! Load was a 200gr Wolf SP.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2010, 09:50:11 AM »
WHY DIDN'T YA JUST BAYONET HIM?  ???  ::)
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2010, 10:03:12 AM »
WHY DIDN'T YA JUST BAYONET HIM?  ???  ::)

you know, Oldshooter, if I'd have been on the ground I would have - and it sure would have done the job - but I was in my climber, and afraid he'd skedaddle before I could get down! As it was, I prob didn't need to shoot at all - it was a good shot, got a shoulder and lung, but I'd had one get away during muzzleloading season, and I wasn't taking any chances... .
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2010, 02:00:10 PM »
 ;D  Well you be carefull climbing up and down with that bayonet on that danged thing, you could put an eye out!  ;)
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 03:54:46 PM »
;D  Well you be carefull climbing up and down with that bayonet on that danged thing, you could put an eye out!  ;)

I only extend the bayonet for pictures and roasting marshmallows; it shoots to diff point of aim w/bayonet extended, and I sight it in folded, so... I keep it folded while hunting... .
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 05:37:31 PM »
Those old russian rifles really shoot well and ballisticly almost identical to our 3006. Wish I still had mine. I doubt you'll buy one anymore for $70.  POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 06:29:40 PM »
My local store has Moisins on sale for $89 OTD occasionally. Think Gander Mountain sales them at $99 plus tax. EVERY gun store in my area has tons of them. There are more guns than ammo at present.

Always thought of the .30 Carbine as a plinker. A touch light for deer, though I know some who use it still. Interesting, but not $600 interesting (what the CMP was getting for service grade til last month.) Stores in my area have civilian versions for about half that, and a guy on the local message board could not move a civilian version at $225 over several weeks. Garands, I don't care about as the Korean ones have historically been garbage, and CMP currently has some of the best (Greek) Garands EVER.

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 06:47:37 PM »
Those old russian rifles really shoot well and ballisticly almost identical to our 3006. Wish I still had mine. I doubt you'll buy one anymore for $70.  POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

I like it. Added Mojo sights to replace military ones. Truth is... I rarely hunt with it; my eyes are crappy in low light, I like a scope. And the Marlin is prettier in the woods...

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2010, 07:55:55 PM »
What a JOKE!!!   "They may fall into the wrong hands"    What a Bunch of Dumb Butts!  How would they fall into the wrong hands if they are given to dealers to sell?? I doubt the average gang banger would know how to load them. If they did they would say they are to heavy.  I don't get it anymore.


It wouldn't be hard to track which gang banger had one, (a Garand that is).
Just look for the ones missing a thumb, or at least bleeding heavily from that area!!!   :D



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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2010, 07:03:04 AM »
Saw on another board that a poster is sending this letter.

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand,
I read with dismay a recent news article stating that a planned sale of antique rifles by the South Korean military to collectors in the United States is being blocked by the State Department. This sale was initially approved by the administration. These rifles were originally given to the South Korean defense forces after the Korean War by the US Government and are now being sold to raise funds for its military.

The firearms to be sold are legal to own in the United States. They are very popular to collectors, sportsmen, competitive shooters and those being instructed in marksmanship. The government of South Korea may be able to raise half a billion dollars from this sale that would otherwise be taxed to the people of South Korea or given as aid by the United States.

In light of some common sense reasons for allowing this sale, a comment by a state department spokesman inferring that these firearms would be used by individuals for illicit purposes arouses my suspicion. Firearm sales in the United States are strictly controlled and purchasers are subject to the NICS background check. Is this an attempt by some appointees within the administration to express anti-2nd Amendment political leanings? I hope not.

Being an avid shooter and hunter, it is my explicit desire to allow the sale of these antique firearms in the United States to go forward. Collecting funds by selling outdated equipment (rather than borrowing or taxation) to an enthusiastic and law-abiding community is a no-brainer.

I have distributed this letter to my friends, family and co-workers to call as much attention to this issue as possible. I will view your public support favorably during the upcoming election.

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2010, 07:06:51 AM »
[quote author=TeamNelson link=topic=214997.msg1099157976#msg1099157976 date=1283455994Seems to be some mixed reporting on this. Some folks are alleging that Obama is simply extending a 25 yr old policy which asserts that the weapons in question were lend/lease and should be returned to DOD (ODCMP) like the Greeks did a few years ago. If that allegation is true, then why is their no mention of it in the official statement?
[/quote]According to Fox, these guns were given to South Korea. I suppose that when someone gives you something, that you have the right to sell it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2010, 07:24:07 AM »
According to Fox, these guns were given to South Korea. I suppose that when someone gives you something, that you have the right to sell it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/
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Well, you suppose wrong.

"According to the ATF Guidebook on Firearms Importation, it would normally be legal to import the M1s because they are more than 50 years old, meaning they qualify as "curios or relics." But because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale."

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2010, 08:33:53 AM »
Normal process for these arms would not be sale through private distributors, but rather sale through the ODCMP. That's where ODCMP gets the firearms they sell. The issue for the last 25 years has been that SK wants the US govt to pay for them, and we won't. Obama was amenable to pay until it was realized they'd be sold to citizens through the ODCMP. If you check requirements to purchase through CMP it's not gang bangers he's worried about - it's veterans, boy scout clubs, school marksmanship programs, and law abiding citizens.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2010, 05:34:58 PM »
CMP don't want them at the asking price.

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