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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2010, 06:32:46 PM »
I guess I missed it but I didn't see the asking price, been a long day. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2010, 07:40:34 PM »
Of course the CMP doesn't want to pay the asking price; they don't buy guns. They receive guns, safety check, process, and make them available for use through the CMP. That's why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush JR. didn't want them from SK - SK wants to sell them. The USA does not buy back things it lends/leases to other countries. For example Greece returned their Garands and Carbines which we lent/leased to them; go to the CMP. You can buy M1s that were previously used by Greece. The CMP didn't pay for them; Greece gave them back. All previous administrations understood this process - they did not see why the USA should have to pay for its property on loan to SK, particularly when the precedent had been established in our dealings with other countries.

seriously, you have to make a conscious choice to be ignorant in light of the facts in this situation. Lots of folks are handily ignoring what the CMP does, handily ignoring the rationale behind the policies of the last 25 years. They like to say Obama is just doing what Bush did, why is that bad? He is not doing what Bush did at all. His stated rationale is fear of illicit use; its a matter of public record, delivered by his spokesman, with no mention of the policies of the previous 25 years. The CMP is not in the business of distributing firearms for illicit use, its in the charter - its a federal program for heaven's sake.

This situation is exactly what it appears to be - the white house is afraid to have 800K 50 year old weapons in the hands of law abiding citizens who purchased the firearm through the CMP.
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The federal law that established the CMP authorizes it to sell surplus military .22 rimfire and .30 cal. rifles and ammunition to qualified U. S. citizens who are members of gun clubs affiliated with the CMP. All purchasers must provide proof of having received gun safety or marksmanship training and pass an FBI NICS check. The principal rifles sold through this program have been WWII era M1 Garand rifles and WWI era M1903 rifles. The law mandates that proceeds from these sales may be used only to support the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Each year since its establishment in 1996, the CMP has produced an excess of revenues over expenses to fund its firearm safety, marksmanship training and competition programs and an endowment that will support future programs.

Now SK is not willing to return the weapons per the lease; they want US to pay for them. And Obama was willing to do so, until he found out where those weapons would go. Had Obama followed through on his original thought, 800K firearms would have made their way to the CMP. A large percentage of those would be sold via the CMP, and the $ received would have gone to promote marksmanship in the US. Here's what they do: http://www.odcmp.com/about_us.htm

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2010, 04:55:20 AM »
Price negotiation tactic.

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2010, 05:12:13 AM »
TN. Thanks I never fully understood how cmp worked, or is supposed to work. I can sure see why osama would be against it, it would be good for Americans, so of course  he's against it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2010, 03:46:56 PM »
Price negotiation tactic.

So you're saying this is all just Obama trying get a better price from SK? The official statement is just a ruse? I find that very hard to believe; the statement has predictable ominous overtones. He couldn've used a less politically charged excuse for just a ruse. He's alot of things, but he's also very careful with his words.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2010, 06:16:38 PM »
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6015

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A lot of things have changed in the federal government since President Harry S. Truman put his famous "the buck stops here" sign on his desk. This week, Fox News reported that it couldn't get a straight answer from the State Department about its decision in March to disapprove the importation of more than 800,000 M1 Garand rifles and M1 carbines from South Korea.

According to Fox, the State Department claimed that the rifles might be used "for illicit purposes." But when asked to explain, State passed the buck to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which passed it to the Department of Justice, which passed it back to State.

This does not sound like the white house is engaged in intentional and deliberate negotiations with SK over the sale of these firearms. It actually sounds like SK almost suckered them into buying them, but then the anti-gun lobby (read the link) pulled their string. Now it appears that no one is in charge, we're all just afraid of illicit use ... for a negotiation ruse, I think I'd make sure all the agencies had the same IO campaign underway. Its either so stupid its clever, or more likely the administration is on the horns of a dilemma - do I keep SK happy and at the same time proudly reverse the stale old Bush policies, or do I keep my loyal funding base happy and not allow the importation of these evil high capacity military firearms? Or punt, distance myself from the Bush policy by claiming its in the interest of the public good, and figure out another way to make SK happy. Anticipating the report that we will buy them from SK, and channel them right into the smelter. Of course we'll have to borrow more $ from China to fund it all.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2010, 06:59:41 PM »
How would you like it if your neighbor borrowed your deer rifle and sold it? The deal appears to be that it is illegal for SK to sell them in the US because they don't belong to SK. Not because of gangbangers lining up to buy them. SK would like everyone to forget that. So there is no need to buy them and melt them since they can't be sold here anyway.

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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2010, 07:29:13 PM »
How would you like it if your neighbor borrowed your deer rifle and sold it? The deal appears to be that it is illegal for SK to sell them in the US because they don't belong to SK. Not because of gangbangers lining up to buy them. SK would like everyone to forget that. So there is no need to buy them and melt them since they can't be sold here anyway.

That's not what thespokesman from the state department said. Do you have an inside track on policy? I have to go with what they release officially.
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2010, 03:26:19 PM »
This is on the NRA sight.    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=6015
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Re: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2010, 04:37:41 PM »
Wreckhog,  If you don't mind I'm going to copy and paste your letter to my senator.
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