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North Carolina Governor Suspends Gun Rights......
« on: September 03, 2010, 03:18:55 AM »
....in shadow of Hurricane Earl.....examiner.com..........you can only carry guns when you don't need them..............fyi..TM7

North Carolina governor suspends gun rights
September 2nd, 2010 12:09 pm ET.
In satellite image provided by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), Hurricane Earl moves through the Atlantic Ocean toward the U.S. coast, leading three Governors to declare states of emergency.
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 State of emergency order makes criminals of concealed handgun permit-holders, sport shooters and hunters.

[Raleigh] Yesterday, North Carolina Governor Beverly Perdue signed Executive Order No. 62, declaring a State of Emergency in advance of Hurricane Earle. In doing so, Perdue suspended the right of state residents to use or carry firearms outside their premises.

At issue is N.C. General Statute 14-288.7, which prohibits transporting a “dangerous weapon” during a state of emergency:

§ 14 288.7. Transporting dangerous weapon or substance during emergency; possessing off premises; exceptions.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to transport or possess off his own premises any dangerous weapon or substance in any area:
(1) In which a declared state of emergency exists; or
(2) Within the immediate vicinity of which a riot is occurring.
(b) This section does not apply to persons exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14 269 with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties.
(c) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 192; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)

According to § 14 288.1 (10), a state of emergency exists “whenever, during times of public crisis, disaster, rioting, catastrophe, or similar public emergency, public safety authorities are unable to maintain public order or afford adequate protection for lives or property, or whenever the occurrence of any such condition is imminent.”

Violation of the order is a Class I misdemeanor, punishable by up to 120 days in jail. Those impacted include concealed handgun permit-holders, sport-shooters, and anyone else carrying a firearm outside their home or business. Critics note that dove-hunting season begins on Saturday (September 4), potentially making criminals of thousands of hunters.

NC DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO RECTIFY PROBLEM

In recent years, two North Carolina bills could have prevented infringement on individual rights under state of emergency laws. Under Section 3 of House Bill 257: “No Seizure of Lawful Firearms in Emergency,” sponsored by Rep. George Cleveland (R-Onslow) and three other legislators, lawfully possessed firearms and ammunition would have been exempted from the state of emergency law.

Despite support from the state’s primary gun group, Grass Roots North Carolina*, and others the bill died when it was denied a committee hearing by Democrat leadership, including Speaker Joe Hackney (D-Chatham, Moore, Orange) House Majority Leader Hugh Holliman (D-Davidson) and Judiciary Committee Chairman Representative Ronnie Sutton (D-Robeson).

The issue became more urgent in February, when the town of King declared a state of emergency in response to an impending snowstorm and posted the entire town against the sale and purchase of firearms and ammunition.

In response, GRNC worked with Rep. Mark Hilton (R-Catawba) to revamp the bill and introduce it again, with stronger language on the state of emergency issue, during the second year of the legislature’s two-year session as HB 2031. Referred to the House Judiciary I Committee, chaired by anti-gun Rep. Deborah Ross, that bill too died when Democrats denied it a hearing.

LAWSUIT PENDING ON STATE OF EMERGENCY LAW

Ironically, in June GRNC joined Michael Bateman, Virgil Green, Forrest Minges, Jr., and the Second Amendment Foundation in a lawsuit against the state’s emergency powers gun ban.

Named in the suit are North Carolina Gov. Beverly Perdue; Reuben Young, secretary of the Department of Crime Control and Public Safety; Stokes County and the City of King.

Filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, the official title is Bateman et al v. Perdue et al, Case No. 5:10-cv-265. It contends that state statutes forbidding carrying of firearms and ammunition during declared states of emergency, as well as laws enabling government officials to prohibit purchase, sale and possession of firearms and ammunition are unconstitutional because they forbid the exercise of Second Amendment rights as affirmed by the Supreme Court ruling in McDonald v. Chicago.

Plaintiffs are represented by attorney Alan Gura, who won the recent McDonald v. Chicago Second Amendment case and the landmark D.C. v. Heller case preceding it. Local counsel includes Andrew Tripp and Kearns Davis of Brooks, Pierce, McLendon, Humphrey & Leonard, LLC.

After GRNC issued an alert to its members, word of the implications of Perdue's order spread on the Internet, including being featured on thetruthaboutguns.com. It is widely anticipated that the order will add impetus to the Bateman lawsuit.

*Author F. Paul Valone is president and a co-founder of Grass Roots North Carolina.
 



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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2010, 03:34:46 AM »
The govonor is a good one to not relect .
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2010, 03:37:21 AM »
If I can't take my guns with me, then I'm not leaving the house......period.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 03:58:52 AM »
Swampman ya can't get caught  ;) It might be interesting to see if this goes to court if in fact someone is caught . Did not a law get passed after the little storm in New O. that said they could not do such ?
The big thing is all those from Va. on the outer banks that have Va.permits and are allowed to carry in NC. if already there what can they do legal ? The gov. is really short sighted and is only politicaly motivated . If business suffers then the gov. may lose in the long run !
BTW what was his motivation ? anyone know ?
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 04:11:52 AM »
Being afflicted with our current Guv is a curse. I remember driving home from work one night, listening to NPR... and hearing her in a debate with her opponent during the campaign. I hadn't been paying attention to the race, didn't even know what party she was in - and she sounded like an utter boob, repeating slogans and gotcha lines in the debate while her opponent was sharp and articulate. I couldn't believe we elected her. Just thinking about it... is irritating, like that Michael Waddell dimbulb that keeps yapping about his truck.

Well... I didn't vote for her...
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 04:15:31 AM »
Oh, the informant wisdom of our elected leaders……………….

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 05:02:49 AM »
yep .this how the antigunners plan on taking gun rights away from us..
 wonder when she plans on recinding this action.. probably doesn t intend to..
 next obama will call off all elections until there is no problem on planet earth..
 what does that make him..
  ..fuher, dictator,the boss.presto ..no more govt of the people ,for the people,by the people..
i don t think he an his like that idea anyway..jmo slim.

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 05:10:46 AM »
I know the fed's can't do that. The NRA helped pass a federal bill against confiscating guns during an emergency. Now it's up to the state's to do the same. gypsyman
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 05:25:02 AM »
That governor needs some good old country education/educatin. eddiegjr
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 07:38:31 AM »
REFUSE to surrender your arms! DEFY tyranny! DEFEND Liberty!  STAND now!   

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 09:11:15 AM »
REFUSE to surrender your arms! DEFY tyranny! DEFEND Liberty!  STAND now!   

that appeals to me, it really does. It is a somewhat diff story when one is confronted with armed state agents, using their command voice and aiming weapons at you, knowing they can shoot you and get away with it, whereas you'll go to prison if you shoot (assuming they don't just kill you, excusing their conduct with that well-worn 'we feared for our lives!' line)
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 09:50:18 AM »
I'll die free before I die a subject. You do what you want.

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 10:31:40 AM »
That governor needs some good old country education/educatin. eddiegjr

behind the wood shed kind ?
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2010, 10:32:34 AM »
I'll die free before I die a subject. You do what you want.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2010, 05:15:28 PM »
Fighting for Liberty even thought the odds seem insurmountable.
Fighting for Liberty even though death is the likely outcome.
That is the work of Patriots.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2010, 06:02:48 PM »
Just like  a liberal, disarm the law abiding. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2010, 08:12:12 PM »
I'll die free before I die a subject. You do what you want.
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I don't think that is what our founding fathers did!
I this case, there is but one battle!!!


Fighting for Liberty even thought the odds seem insurmountable.
Fighting for Liberty even though death is the likely outcome.
That is the work of Patriots.
Waiting is work of servants and slaves.


That's right.


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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2010, 12:43:30 AM »
SHOOTALL, more like in a dark alley. eddie
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2010, 11:55:35 AM »
I question his athourity to overule a person's concealed carry permit. Might be interesting to see what an attorney says about that.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2010, 03:08:51 AM »
Fighting for Liberty even thought the odds seem insurmountable.
Fighting for Liberty even though death is the likely outcome.
That is the work of Patriots.
Waiting is work of servants and slaves.
Picking your fight is the work of a warrior , dieing without inflicting damage on your enemy is foolish.
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 09:07:01 AM »

 dieing without inflicting damage on your enemy is foolish.

Tell it to the men who died at Lexington.
Tell it to the men who never made it off the beaches at Normandy and Iwo Jima.
Tell it to the soldiers that never fired a shot but were cut down by the enemy.

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 10:43:02 AM »
I know the fed's can't do that. The NRA helped pass a federal bill against confiscating guns during an emergency. Now it's up to the state's to do the same. gypsyman

If the bill is against CONFISCATION, then it wouldn't apply here.  Ruling that you cannot carry them outside of your home isn't confiscation.  Remember, the exact wording of legal rulings is very important.

That said, this really does surprise me.   Southern states typically are your most pro-gun political entities.  Living in SC, I've often said that I have virtually no fear of my STATE passing anti-gun legislation - the Federal stuff is what worries me.

Obviously in this case though there was an oddity.  Best I can say is to make sure no one forgets this when the next election rolls around.

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 10:59:04 AM »

Picking your fight is the work of a warrior , dieing without inflicting damage on your enemy is foolish.

Tell it to the men who died at Lexington.
Tell it to the men who never made it off the beaches at Normandy and Iwo Jima.
Tell it to the soldiers that never fired a shot but were cut down by the enemy.

Pat

Together, an interesting set of responses, and an interesting choice of words, even if you guys might not realize it.  There have been many historical debates between the difference between a warrior and a *soldier*.  SHOOTALL references warriors, while the men you reference are specifically soldiers.

Warriors are a more primitive critter.  Typically wilder, far less respect for a chain of command, and far more interested in more localized interests (ie, protect the clan/family rather than a larger group like a nation).  Warriors were your primary fighting force for your more tribal forces in antiquity.  Soldiers on the other hand are more organized.  The respect a chain of command more specifically and are more "big picture" in ideals.

While it's not 100%, given equal numbers, soldiers will beat warriors every time if the nation they fight for is cohesive and unified.  Soldiers only tend to loose in situations where their nation has become politically corrupt so that they loose interest in the cause, and the chain of command becomes self-serving to the commanders rather than the nation as a whole.  At that point, the warrior mentality wins.  Witness the fall of Rome (soldier mentality) to the Germanic tribes (warrior mentality).  Rome fell, but only after it became politically divided and corrupt.