This ain't good: 100 US GBU-28 + 5000lb + IDF=

[TM7]

= War Crime.....geeez, this just can't be good!....by Sad'dam on Kurds or anybody else, only worse this time....wthe\\......know anybody with cancer?


fyi....TM7




http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/29/did-the-israeli-defense-force-bomb-jews/

Did the Israeli Defense Force Bomb Jews?
August 29, 2010 posted by Bob Nichols · 33 Comments

(San Francisco) – Israel, a nuclear weapons armed colossus in the Middle East, fights a lot of wars with two small, almost defenseless neighboring countries – Lebanon and Gaza. The 2006 War with Lebanon took a turn for the worse, though.

Israel executed an emergency purchase for 100 plus US GBU-28 5,000 lb, or 2,722 kg, weaponized uranium aerosol bombs from their patron, the United States.

The GBU-28 is a cobbled together weapon consisting of an approximately 20 ft long surplus artillery barrel stuffed with uranium ballast and high explosives. It is very good for the delivery of a particular form of poison gas – a War Crime under several international treaties and US Law. But, who cares? the bomb’s victims? That hardly matters at all in the scheme of things.



The 100 plus GBU-28s were a very high priority purchase. Congress was duly notified and the very efficient government weapons sales office swung into action.

Before the short war was concluded the Israel/US tax payer paid extra to have the critical poison gas bombs air freighted in Airbus A310s and delivered to Israel before the end of the short war of choice. Now, that is a “gotta have it” poison gas bomb.

What is so special about a GBU-28 with about 4,000 lbs, or 1,818 kg, of uranium ballast, other than it’s manufacture, shipping, storage and use is a War Crime punishable by Death or Imprisonment?

The US Military long ago figured out the optimum explosive package to guarantee creation of highly effective radioactive, poisonous uranium aerosols from the GBU-28’s uranium ballast.

Sub-nanometer length ceramicized particles go right through clothing and skin, even a full MOPP suit offers no protection to the wearer. This puts all soldiers  and civilians in the area in the “Throw Away” column. Anyone in the Target Area will get Zapped, it is just a matter of time.

The combination of small size, electrical charge, radioactive emissions and Brownian Motion conspire to keep the invisible, odorless, tasteless metal particles mobilized in the lower atmosphere for a long time.

Where did the IDF Bomb?
The short, intense bombing event occurred in the last days of the Lebanon Israeli  War. The bombing was concentrated just north of the shared Israeli Lebanese border. Both sides of the border are rural farming areas, both sides were subject to poison gas in the form of about 400,000 lbs, or 184,818 kg, of radioactive aerosols in two days.

The contaminated fruits and vegetables were ultimately sold and presumably consumed in the European Union, Israel and Lebanon, as well as other participating trading partner countries.

Who was Affected?
Shortly before the bombing, Israeli Jews were removed from the area.  After the bombing anti-Zionist Jews were moved in to work the radiologically contaminated Israeli farms by the Israeli Defense Forces. As one person commented, “Y’know, the Orthodox guys with long sideburns that nobody likes.”

Weaponized uranium ions attack a Human population’s reproductive capacity at the cellular level, their brains and bones.

The IDF bombed Southern Lebanon at the Israel/Lebanon border. Then they moved in famously anti-Zionist Jews to the newly radioactive and invisibly contaminated part of Northern Israel.

This is a characteristic absolute, no holds barred condemnation of the Zionists by Hasidic Jews published on August 22, 2010:

“According to the Satmar rebbe, Zionism is a total violation of the Torah. “If we were to take all the violations of the generation and the many transgressions committed around the world and placed them on one side of a scale and the Zionist state on the other side, it would be overwhelmingly decided that it is root of all impurity and damage in the entire world and contaminates the entire world,” the rebbe wrote in the pamphlet.”


Did the IDF know that poison gas spreads? The inability to predict or control poison gas is pretty standard stuff – it is well known since its use in WWI. As a result of this and other FUBAR moves, the Sperm count of 18 year old males plummeted 40% in less than 10 years. Just because a person can’t see radiation doesn’t mean it is not dangerous. Now the whole nation must pay a terrible price.

On the Extinction Road.
Another country that is on the road to extinction is Italy. The Total Fertility Rate has hovered between 1.2 and 1.3 for the past ten years. That is a far cry from the average of slightly more than two children per woman required to maintain the population at the present number. The number of children each woman has over her life time of fertility must be higher than that for growth to occur.

Notes
US Giving Aid and Bombs ,  Asia Times,  August 4, 2006,
HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah — An F-15E Strike Eagle deployed from the 492nd Fighter Squadron, Royal Air Force Lakenheath, England, releases a GBU-28 “Bunker Buster” laser-guided bomb. (U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Michael.)
Israel – Satmar present rules against Zionism,” Vos iz Neias, August 22, 2010,The voice of the Orthodox Jewish Community.
“Study – Quality of Israeli Sperm Down 40%, Published 02:08 11.05.09, Ha’aretz, by


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[subdjoe]

Do you ever get tired of spreading lies and disinformation?  Ain't no depleted U in the GBU-28 bunker busters. 

They are basically sections of 8" gun tubes packed with 650 pounds of tritanol, a TNT and powder Al mix and fitted with a Rayteon guidance package.  Developed at the Watervliet Arsenal using surplus gun tubes. 

I take it you still believe that ambulance hoax too.

[yellowtail3]

I"m not an expert on the bomb described, but if as described - very heavy, thick-walled? - sounds to me like one designed to penetrate a lot armor or concrete. Many prospective targets that have a lot concrete over them, that the Israelis might be interested in... probably interest the IDF for very, very good reasons.

[gypsyman]

I think the US should offer Isreal a 2 for 1 sale. Maybe a blue light special, just like K-Mart.  gypsyman

[subdjoe]

Subjoe...this is a controversial subject you understand. Dr. Doug Rokke, former head of the US ARmy weapons DU program, disagrees with you....much controversy on the GBU-28 BLU 113...secrecy, etc. Officially these weapons are classed WMD by the UN, aren't they?  Naturally, use and toxicity would be denied.

Yellowtail...likely want to use a few, buy to stockpile these for Iranian raid down the road....if they're going to the trouble to raid Iran, they're going to want DU enhanced penetrator bombs from the get go.  Int'l shipping reports indicate a Greek cargo ship made the delivery to the israel....320 containers indicating other smart and penetrator bombs were supplied as well.

..TM7
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Yeah, and cell phone towers, smart electric meters, and power transmission lines are "controversial" too.  Mostly because left wing fruit-bats will themselves to be afraid of everything.  Just because some nut makes wild claims about his importance, claims unsubstantiated by the way, says the bunker busters use DU doesn't mean that they do.  Also "controversial" are the moon landings, what really sank the RMS Titanic, what happened to Judge Crater, Jimmy Hoffa, and Elivs. 

So, you have a guy with a doctorate in Education Methodology, who worked for the military for a while.

From his boss:

Dr Rokke apparently misled you on several points as you prepared your article. 

      He was never a US military researcher. 

      He was never a scientific expert on depleted uranium, much less the Pentagon’s senior expert. 

      While I cannot tell you why he was sacked (US Privacy Act), I can tell it was not for his
      “public views.”  His first presented these views only after he lost his job. 

      Scientists are not divided and much pertinent research has been done to show that Rokke’s
      allegations about the DU’s health effects are false. 


      Damaged vehicles were left behind and buried because their recovery was uneconomical, not
      because they were “too dangerous to move.”

      He was not recalled to head a “depleted uranium project in Nevada.”  He inserted himself,
      but the US Department of Energy only allowed him there as an observer. 

      In the past he has named friends he has “lost” who are still very much alive and well. 


      Dr Rokke had been saying how sad it was that he had lost friends in Desert Storm, but
      apparently they are all alive and well!  The letter continues -


      While uranium can cause harm internally, it must exceed a threshold well above natural
      levels.  Rokke and soldiers in the Gulf War never exceeded that threshold except for
      friendly fire survivors.  Those survivors have never shown ill health attributable to
      uranium still in their bodies. 

      Robert Cherry, Ph.D.
      Certified Health Physicist.

There is a letter from another boss to the editor of a Canberra paper, which reads -


      You reporter. . . has just published . . . an article on Doug Rokke, with the highest
      count of errors per paragraph ever recorded to my knowledge.  It is embarrassing to read
      such tripe knowing Doug Rokke so well and experiencing the ease with which even a cub
      reporter on a high school paper could trip him up.  In a nutshell, not one of his “facts”
      could be verified if you even bothered a perfunctory check.  I was his supervisor at Fort
      McClellan, AL where he was called to duty to work under me while I was the Director of the
      Bradley Radiation Laboratories at the U.S. Army Chemical School.  It would take too much
      space to detail the lies he told your reporter, but here is a minuscule sample: he is not
      a Health Physicist, he was not “put in charge” of anything, he did NOT lose his job from
      speaking out: that came later,  . . .

      Disappointedly, Ed L. Battle, PhD (in Physics, not education like Dr. Rokke’s),
      COL, USAF (Ret)

from the DoD

>>>>We can offer some accurate information to correct the record. Rokke is a private citizen and does not represent the Department of Defense. Following the ground war, Rokke was attached for duty to assist technical experts in the recovery and decontamination of radioactive material and equipment. The team of approximately 10 people was led, not by Rokke, but by a civilian from the Army Munitions and Chemical Command (AMCCOM). Rokke's primary role was to facilitate the recovery operations by ensuring the team had the proper support. Over the past years, Doug Rokke has reported varying numbers of ill or dead members of "his team." These claims have been researched and are unsubstantiated.

In 1998, our office compiled a list of 29 names of people Rokke reported to be on "his team." Staff members were able to interview 22 of them. Approximately 15 of the 29 people Doug Rokke had identified as being on "his team" actually worked on DU-contaminated vehicles. Two of the 29 had died, however, in interviews with the others, neither of these two veterans was named as having worked with depleted uranium. While we respect Rokke's right to express his opinions, the fact that he presents himself as an expert, does not make it so. His role in the Gulf War and at the Chemical School, as well as the specifics of his educational background, do not qualify him as a depleted uranium expert. These areas fall well outside of his area of expertise and responsibility.<<<<

Seems your "Dr." is a typical leftist snake oil salesman with an axe to grind.  Which is really strange, considering that he gave an address in 2008 at a neo-nazi "convention."

I have seen lots of claims on lots of leftist blogs about the Guided Bomb Unit-28/ BLU-113 using DU, all of which claims seem to go back to the unstubstantiated claims of Rokke.  Again, just because some nut, or even a lot of nuts, make the claim that a munition uses DU and is therefore a WMD "listed" with the UN doesn't make it so. 

Oh, and Rokke seems to be a "Truther" too...the US caused the Twin Towers to collapse, don't you know.

[powderman]

SUBJOE. Now ya went an done it, ya know better than to argue with tm using facts and figures, gives him a migraine. This is just more of his pro muslim, hate Israel lies. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

TM the GBU 28 is the bunker buster bomb. And Israel has had it since 2005 2006. It does not contain 4000 lb of DU as you claim. It olny weighs 5000 lbs. Again, you try to push your agenda if antisemitism with false information.


The Guided Bomb Unit 28 (GBU-28) is a 5,000 pound (2,268 kg) laser-guided "bunker busting" bomb nicknamed "Deep Throat" produced originally by the Texas Instruments Defense Systems and Electronics Group (a division which has since sold to Raytheon). It was specifically developed for use in Operation Desert Storm to penetrate hardened Iraqi command centres located deep underground. However, only two of these weapons were dropped in Desert Storm, both by F-111Fs.[2]

The initial batch of GBU-28s were built from modified 8 inch/203 mm artillery barrels (principally from deactivated M110 howitzers), but later examples were purpose-built.[3] They weigh 4,700 pounds (2132 kg) and contain 630 pounds (286 kg) of high explosive. The operator illuminates a target with a laser designator and then the munition guides to a spot of laser energy reflected from the target.

The bomb underwent critical testing in Nevada at the Tonopah Test Range, a major test facility for United States Department of Energy funded weapon programs. It proved capable of penetrating over 30 meters (100 ft) of earth or 6 meters (20 ft) of solid concrete.[4] The GBU-28 is unique in that the total development time from conception to the first drop test took only 2 weeks, and the weapon went into active service after only one test drop.[5]

The first foreign sale of the GBU-28 was the acquisition of 100 units by Israel, authorized in April 2005.[6] Delivery of the weapons was accelerated at the request of Israel in July 2006. According to Israeli Military sources, Hezbollah puts their rocket launchers in bunkers and fortifications underground.[7]

[subdjoe]

So Subjoe I said this was a controversial topic. You think there is no problem...so good I won't worry about it based on your council...

A couple of questions though since you seem to be an expert on this;

Ah, but now you are changing the topic.   And, once again telling lies - I never claimed to be an expert.  That is your own twist on it in an attempt to discredit me.

Some questions for you, first.  Where did Rokke get his doctorate?  And other than left wing blogs, where is he published?  Just about anyone with a doctorate is published in professional journals.  There seems to be no record of publication for him.   Very strange.

I also did some checking on the website you got the story from.  Quite interesting.  Their claim:

Veterans Today is a journal representing the position of members of the military and veteran community in areas of national security, geopolitical stability and domestic policy.

Veterans Today is the only independent, unaligned voice of its kind in America, accepting no financial support from any organization or individual.

Hmmm.....for an "independent, unaligned voice"  they seem to be weighted very heavily to the left wing view of things, almost make HuffPo and Kos look moderate.  The "editorial staff" seems to only get attention from left wing or death to Israel blogs.  

As for your hypothetical about "could" the GBU be fitted with DU in some way? Yeah, sure.  You could also figure out some way to make DU BBs and shoot them from a BB gun (careful you don't put someones eye out!).  I guess that makes all BB guns WMDs, right?

You "could" do lots of things.  Hell, if you wanted, I bet you could make a slurry and have a DU high colonic.  So, using what seems to be your line of reasoning - that if it could be done, it was done (which is the Mikey Moore form of logic) - I would say that you have enjoyed at least one DU high colonic, right?  After all, it IS possibe, right?  So you must have done it.  QED.

[subdjoe]

It will be lost on him, Billy.  TM will just whine that this is government disinformation and lies to cover the DU vapor bomb.

TM the GBU 28 is the bunker buster bomb. And Israel has had it since 2005 2006. It does not contain 4000 lb of DU as you claim. It olny weighs 5000 lbs. Again, you try to push your agenda if antisemitism with false information.


The Guided Bomb Unit 28 (GBU-28) is a 5,000 pound (2,268 kg) laser-guided "bunker busting" bomb nicknamed "Deep Throat" produced originally by the Texas Instruments Defense Systems and Electronics Group (a division which has since sold to Raytheon). It was specifically developed for use in Operation Desert Storm to penetrate hardened Iraqi command centres located deep underground. However, only two of these weapons were dropped in Desert Storm, both by F-111Fs.[2]

The initial batch of GBU-28s were built from modified 8 inch/203 mm artillery barrels (principally from deactivated M110 howitzers), but later examples were purpose-built.[3] They weigh 4,700 pounds (2132 kg) and contain 630 pounds (286 kg) of high explosive. The operator illuminates a target with a laser designator and then the munition guides to a spot of laser energy reflected from the target.

The bomb underwent critical testing in Nevada at the Tonopah Test Range, a major test facility for United States Department of Energy funded weapon programs. It proved capable of penetrating over 30 meters (100 ft) of earth or 6 meters (20 ft) of solid concrete.[4] The GBU-28 is unique in that the total development time from conception to the first drop test took only 2 weeks, and the weapon went into active service after only one test drop.[5]

The first foreign sale of the GBU-28 was the acquisition of 100 units by Israel, authorized in April 2005.[6] Delivery of the weapons was accelerated at the request of Israel in July 2006. According to Israeli Military sources, Hezbollah puts their rocket launchers in bunkers and fortifications underground.[7]

[-Shaggy-]

If the IDF was using "highly effective radioactive, poisonous uranium aerosols ", why would they want them exploding deep underground? Wouldn't they want them deploying on the surface....where the people are?

[subdjoe]

 "Actually you did set yourself up as an 'expert' or some kind of authority on this topic and weapon. So do you have access to classified information or not? "

So, anyone who disagrees with what you post is "setting himself up as an expert"?  Interesting.  All I did was post a thumbnail of what the munition is.

And the people who were Rokke's bosses seem to disagree with how he presents himself and his job, padded his resume somewhat.  As well as lied about why he was let go/fired.  

So, where is he published?  Other than left wing, hate-America, death-to Israel blogs?  What journals?  What professional publications?  

[billy_56081]

Joe one not need be an expert to see the holes in old TM's stories. A little common sense and real world experiance goes a long ways.

Now take what Shaggy says

If the IDF was using "highly effective radioactive, poisonous uranium aerosols ", why would they want them exploding deep underground? Wouldn't they want them deploying on the surface....where the people are?

Using the God givin brains I have, I can see how this makes alot of sence while old TM cannot see that a weapon made to penetrate deep underground would not be a very effective way to spread depleated uranium over a wide area. I am glad alot of others here are starting to see the silliness of old TM's posts.

Heck the one time he was posting about this "4000 watt death ray" He linked up this one site with an example, the thing was a kit that you put together and it ran off of get this, AA batteries.    OMG I laughed so hard.

[SM Bob]

Like I have told you before TM, hatred will eat a person up inside. If you can learn to not let hatred
govern your life you will be a lot happier person. Hey, you are a bright guy in many ways. Why don't
you try focusing all that energy and effort you are currently using in a negative way into something
more positive. I'm sure the world will be a better place if you did.

                                             Robert

[-Shaggy-]

If the IDF was using "highly effective radioactive, poisonous uranium aerosols ", why would they want them exploding deep underground? Wouldn't they want them deploying on the surface....where the people are?

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Good question Shaggy...somebody made the assertion that they would be used against hamas rocket installations....concrete is not allowed into Gaza...there is nothing harden there in that prison camp. As for the Lebanon war, israel got butt kicked....maybe falling back on 'genotoxic' weapons... GBU-28 are set for depth of igniton..if containing DU (also contain Tungsten alloy in DIME weapon genre, also 'genotoxic') upon ignition ceramic toxic aersols are created. I've read reports of our guys entering blown Iracqui tanks that couldn't see from thick aersols.

Anybody wishing to weigh this discussion can simply search GBU-28 + DU or GBU-28 + israel  etc.
General concensus is our shipment was DU varient in part or total. All classified so far...wikileaks? don't know. But could make Sad'dam look pale in comparison according to some critics.



..TM7

If the Israelis wanted to contaminate an area with depleted uranium, they wouldn't need to get it from us. They have the materials and the know how to make their own. Loading DU into conventional bombs would be more efficient and effective. Using "bunker buster" bombs set to go off on the surface would be inefficient, a waste of a valuable resource, and, well,.......stupid. I have seen the IDF described as ruthless, cunning, vicious, and efficient killers, but I seldom have seen them described as "stupid".