A dumb stunt..

[Hooker]

Geeeezzz....I can just imagine the bruhaha and rhubarb if a bunch of moslems were burning Bibles

..TM7
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They have and they kill christians also

Pat

[searlock]

So where are the godless muzzie haters. This preacher is about to fire up the bar b q they keep yelling for. Where are all you muzzie lovers when tm7 is being trashed. Wern't these muzzies shouting words from this book when they crashed them planes in them 911 buildings and when they grabbed that christless jew daniel pearl and sawed his head off? Wasn't this koran written by a camel driver who in other recent posts here was said it says in this book it is alright to lie?  If you think our soldiers kill out of duty and honor who tells them who to kill? Not that general. it is a lousy politician. Do them politicians kill for honor and duty? You all like to talk at least this preacher is doing something. If them muzzzies take over A country and kill its enhabitants do you think these so called peace luvin muzzies will say kill me too cause I don't believe your koran says to kill non believers? No they will sa he// yeah I am with you brother. Their book is a plague on this world and so are they. You people bend every way the wind blows some of you any way. As for me I say burn them. Besides if the thousands we have already killed don't upset them enough this might.

[Dee]

So where are the godless muzzie haters. This preacher is about to fire up the bar b q they keep yelling for. Where are all you muzzie lovers when tm7 is being trashed. Wern't these muzzies shouting words from this book when they crashed them planes in them 911 buildings and when they grabbed that christless jew daniel pearl and sawed his head off? Wasn't this koran written by a camel driver who in other recent posts here was said it says in this book it is alright to lie?  If you think our soldiers kill out of duty and honor who tells them who to kill? Not that general. it is a lousy politician. Do them politicians kill for honor and duty? You all like to talk at least this preacher is doing something. If them muzzzies take over A country and kill its enhabitants do you think these so called peace luvin muzzies will say kill me too cause I don't believe your koran says to kill non believers? No they will sa he// yeah I am with you brother. Their book is a plague on this world and so are they. You people bend every way the wind blows some of you any way. As for me I say burn them. Besides if the thousands we have already killed don't upset them enough this might.

The man has a point.

[ironglow]

Somehow I think some have taken liberties with my first post. Yes, I think it is a dumb, trouble provoking thing to do..I also think the insistance on building a "victory mosque" near ground zero is also a dumb, trouble provoking thing to do. I am CONSISTANT...if you were one who said the Muslims have a RIGHT to build where they want..then to retain any shadow of credibility, you musty also agree the preacher has the same right concerning the Koran. If you say the preacher is a jerk and trouble maker by choosing to do this, then to appear mentally stable, you must agree that each of the "mosque moguls" are just as much a jerk and troublemaker.
   Has anyone here been inconsistant?

  As far as the terrorists being moved to injure and kill more troops...they don't need a burning koran, they are doing their utmost already.
 
  I used to have some respect for Gen Petraeus, but that has been quashed by Petraeus himself. I thought Petraeus once appointed to Afghanistan would do away with the insane new "rules of engagement' which are getting our troops killed at a greater rate than ever in Iraq..but instead, he "sucked up' to the Muzz/prez....and at the prezs' urging started talking politics.  He's got designs...

[scootrd]

I am not surprised to see you so willing to surrender our first amendment rights to the Muslims. Or be so quick to defend the Muslims right to build a Muslim shrine at ground zero. You Liberals are in one hell of a hurry to give this country away!
                                                Beerbelly

I didn't say he couldn't do it. My grandfather served , My father served and I served to protect his rights to do so. I said he was being stupid and yes being a jerk for 15 minutes of selfish fame. And I would feel that way of Muslims were burning our bible or atheists were burning our flag.  Just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should.

I am not surrendering any first amendment rights, I'm concerned this little selfish stunt will put our soldiers at even greater risk overseas,

Does the first amendment allow you to stand up in a crowded movies theater and yell Fire? and jeopardize the safety and welfare of others?  Of course not !

if you truly cannot see the difference , than that's your hang-up not mine. Now Go pick a fight elsewhere with someone else.

[scootrd]

As far as the terrorists being moved to injure and kill more troops...they don't need a burning koran, they are doing their utmost already.

IG , it's not the terrorists that are of concern, we know they don't need this as an excuse. However This little stunt is sure to incite riots and will turn even the general moderate civilian populations against our troops and civilians working abroad, in many countries.

[Tommyt]

As far as the terrorists being moved to injure and kill more troops...they don't need a burning koran, they are doing their utmost already.

IG , it's not the terrorists that are of concern, we know they don't need this as an excuse. However This little stunt is sure to incite riots and will turn even the general moderate civilian populations against our troops and civilians working abroad, in many countries.

 If your Going to Think like that and Point Blame in ONE Direction
I'll set you in the Correct Direction
The Media Them and Them Only,
 Do the Trouble Making News,
 They truly don't care who they Harm also
 When They do Harm Its Just MORE News for them
Too Them its a Win Win

Tommyt

[scootrd]

As far as the terrorists being moved to injure and kill more troops...they don't need a burning koran, they are doing their utmost already.

IG , it's not the terrorists that are of concern, we know they don't need this as an excuse. However This little stunt is sure to incite riots and will turn even the general moderate civilian populations against our troops and civilians working abroad, in many countries.

 If your Going to Think like that and Point Blame in ONE Direction
I'll set you in the Correct Direction
The Media Them and Them Only,
 Do the Trouble Making News,
 They truly don't care who they Harm also
 When They do Harm Its Just MORE News for them
Too Them its a Win Win

Tommyt

I don't disagree. People are fascinated with dirty Laundry. And the 24 hour news cycle are great at puffing it up.

 

[Spirithawk]

Never read the Koran, don't particularly intend too, but an act like this is no differant than the Nazi's burning books that they didn't agree with, nor the Spaniards during their Inquisition, nor the Catholic church throught history, nor countless missionaries destroying art and records of countless peoples they deemed primitive or savage heathens in their attempts to make Christians of them. Even the Bible has whole chapters left out because at one time or another someone deemed them unfit to be included...according to THEIR VIEWS of course. One of the major reasons we know so little of the worlds past is because of these kinds of acts. Because so many people, who knew better, but who had the means to do so, and who were so correct in their own beliefs that all others were obviously wrong, took it upon themselves to send all knowledge they didn't agree with up in smoke! In so doing they saved nothing, destroyed more than any of us could ever hope to know and thus commited crimes against humanity that can never be corrected, payed for and most certainly can never ever be justified. Simple as that! As far as the media is concerned, here's a little test for you. Watch the news, any day, any time of day. Count the positive things said and count the negetive. Then compare the numbers. That in itself will tell you which way that wind blows!

[beerbelly]

No wonder they think they can walk all over us, the left on this board are ready to surrender right now! There is no way it is any thing else. You are backing the Muslims over an American preacher exercising his first amendment rights!
  It should be our policy that every time they burn and American flag, or chant death to America; we should burn a Koran on TV.

                                             Beerbelly

[billy_56081]

Maybe it will incite them to act and we can get this war on.

[Spirithawk]

No wonder they think they can walk all over us, the left on this board are ready to surrender right now! There is no way it is any thing else. You are backing the Muslims over an American preacher exercising his first amendment rights!
  It should be our policy that every time they burn and American flag, or chant death to America; we should burn a Koran on TV.

                                             Beerbelly

Well BB, I got a news flash for ya. I'm not backing the Muslims nor the self righteous preacher. Can't handle that then do me this. Tell me how burning the Koran will save one American life. Just one. Convince me and I'll strike the match!  On the other hand we all know that it could easily cost lives. That your idea on how to win a war is it? Then tell me how as I'm a Diabled Vietnam Vet, who's war will never end due to having to fight 24 hours a day every day for life just to survive, that I'm letting anyone walk all over me, that I'm ready to surrender to anyone or any thing, that I give up easily or that I'm backing Muslims because I find intentional ignorance dispicable. You just do that and I'll happily tell you what you, the terrorists, and the preacher can kiss!

[nw_hunter]

Ordinarily I'm not a big fan of burning things.  (As a kid, I almost blew myself up with my own firecrackers. Now I handload ammunition instead. )  

I believe the real significance of this story is not whether an unknown  single white Christian pastor and 50 followers burn a Koran in rural Florida, but the fact that this incident has  been given so much coverage.  This pastor is a nobody.  If Billy Graham or Pat Robertson were doing it....that would be news and the massive coverage would be understandable.  But this guy?  Forget about it.  There is another agenda here.  

This is a publicity stunt. But by whom and for what purpose?  Well nobody seems to care very much when people burn the American flag or the Bible. (Just don't burn pornograhy because that's violating free speech rights and don't disagree with Obama because  "dat's raciss.")

The purpose of this is to set up a white Christian as a punching bag for condemnation and ridicule.  He can burn anything he wants for all I care,  but I can't help wonder why this is such a big story in the left wing media who could simply ignore it if they chose, the way that same left wing media ignores so many other stories that are inconvenient to its political agenda.      

I agree.

[billy_56081]

It's not like this is new, search youtube you can find plenty of koran burning videos. The media is hyping this to stir things up. If the guy wants to do it, it is his right. I'd prefer him to burn a few billion muslims but hey to each there own.

[FourBee]

Just my two cents ~

by ironglow:  There is a pastor

ironglow; I see your point.   This man and his followers would not have the publicity they're getting had it not been for doing in under the guise of Christianity.     Your 1st two points make it clear that this man is not following the path of the savior of the world.  
Christianity has suffered throughout its history because of those who have used it for their cruel and brutal gains.   The guy can do what he wants to, but bringing Christ into it is the wrong message..........

[beerbelly]

Lets see your moderate peaceful Muslims‘, sit on their porch and watch an IED being planted. Then they sit there and watch the troops get blown up. But hey , they are peaceful moderate Muslims‘.
   When one of those things goes off we should kill everyone in seeing distance of it! When they burn our flag or chant death to America we should kill every one of them! We need to get mad dog mean and put the fear into every last one of them. It is the only thing the under stand.
                                         Beerbelly

[SHOOTALL]

Lets see your moderate peaceful Muslims‘, sit on their porch and watch an IED being planted. Then they sit there and watch the troops get blown up. But hey , they are peaceful moderate Muslims‘.
   When one of those things goes off we should kill everyone in seeing distance of it! When they burn our flag or chant death to America we should kill every one of them! We need to get mad dog mean and put the fear into every last one of them. It is the only thing the under stand.
                                         Beerbelly

this makes alot of sense . No army wins without support

[beerbelly]

The last war we won was WW2. In that war we fire bombed every major city of Japan and Germany. To top it off we dropped two A-bombs on two Japanese cities.
  In doing so we incinerated a few million people, but we won the war! We put enough hurt on them that they wanted no more. That is the only way you win a war. 
 Since then the left has been in charge. They are afraid we will hurt some of the people we are fighting. If this don't change we will never win again and our country will be defeated. But what the hell, better red than dead. And that is truly what they believe.
                                    Beerbelly

[FourBee]

   

beerbelly: That is the only way you win a war.

                    Armageddon!
                                                    Are you ready for it ? 

[Old Fart]

You know the one thing that disturbs me the most about this is the media's coverage of it.

Like a bunch of vultures hovering over roadkill.

[Tommyt]

Obama Don't want it Plan and Simple
What will he tell His eastern Muzzi's
He had Hil Kiloton bash it and she had no clue
She was looking at a Tel Prompter
No on Makes anything of the Flag or Bible
But yet the Little fart Has National Attention

WHY ?

[turk762]

Never read the Koran, don't particularly intend too, but an act like this is no differant than the Nazi's burning books that they didn't agree with, nor the Spaniards during their Inquisition, nor the Catholic church throught history, nor countless missionaries destroying art and records of countless peoples they deemed primitive or savage heathens in their attempts to make Christians of them. Even the Bible has whole chapters left out because at one time or another someone deemed them unfit to be included...according to THEIR VIEWS of course. One of the major reasons we know so little of the worlds past is because of these kinds of acts. Because so many people, who knew better, but who had the means to do so, and who were so correct in their own beliefs that all others were obviously wrong, took it upon themselves to send all knowledge they didn't agree with up in smoke! In so doing they saved nothing, destroyed more than any of us could ever hope to know and thus commited crimes against humanity that can never be corrected, payed for and most certainly can never ever be justified. Simple as that! As far as the media is concerned, here's a little test for you. Watch the news, any day, any time of day. Count the positive things said and count the negetive. Then compare the numbers. That in itself will tell you which way that wind blows!

Come on, your going to compare this to the Nazis, this is ridicules, this is a select few people trying to make a statement. NOT the whole countries government trying to get people to burn books to purge the country of a education of selected subjects. There not going to burn all the korans.  It is symbolic and that is it.

Lets compare apples to apples here.

 I could be burning one in my back yard right now and no one will know, hell I could burn 100 and no one would know or feel less informed because there is less korans in the world.

[SHOOTALL]

Oh its just one knee jerk reaction after another , whats new ?

[ironglow]

Geeeezzz....I can just imagine the bruhaha and rhubarb if a bunch of moslems were burning Bibles.

Maybe this book burning pastor can cite where Christ said to fight hate with hate.
I'd be interested in reading all about that.

..TM7
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       TM;
  I am told that anyone who brings a Bible into a hardline Muslim country, may well have his/her Bible confiscated, which will be consigned to the flames. There is a vast difference however, in that Christians normally do not go "bonkers" over the burning of a printed page..it is just a printed page. Even though both the Koran and Bible are often labeled as "Holy", I frankly see nothing holy about a product emerging from a printshop by the millions. Most "people of the book", those who study and use the Bible daily, realize that the only thing "Holy" is the author of the Bible....and a bunch of fanatical crazies can't touch him. The printed book is a "tool'..produced "for correction, reproof and instruction in righteousness.
   Outside of the kook of Gainesville, we don't believe we must burn Korans (not that I really care about their printed page), nor murder people who have mocked Jesus (a common thing)..or issue some kind of "fatwah' against somebody who paints a disrespectful painting of Jesus. Most of us know that the REAL God doesn't need puny man to fight Bible burners and murder painters for Him..he's big enough and powerful enough to take care of himself..
    
  " The millstones of God sometimes turn slowly, but they always grind exceedingly fine"..    
  
  Now, I don't know how capable their god is but they seem to think he needs help..


   BTW: This guy is either brave, crazy or both.. he is now in danger from some who are more crazy than he. I hope the local lawmen are prepared with advanced weapons and tactics.

   In this case and the case oif the "victory mosque" insistors, they both have a right to b e obnoxious..but being obnoxious is still not right.
 
  And yes Shootall, a few printed volumes burned to ashes, in no way compares to a few thousand people burned to ashes.

[scootrd]

And now it begins....

(London)  --  Muslim activists are expected to burn the U.S. flag outside the American embassy in London on 9-11 to protest a Florida pastor's plan to burn copies of the Koran the same day.    Outspoken hardline British Islamist Anjem Choudary believes other flag burning protests will happen Saturday in the U.S., Belgium, Ireland, Lebanon, and Indonesia.

Meanwhile, Terry Jones -- the pastor of a small Protestant church in Gainesville, Florida -- faces calls from government, military, and religious leaders to stop plans to burn Islam's holy book on the ninth anniversary of the 9-11 attacks.

Hope the idiot is happy. and he calls himself a Man of God. He's no preacher in my eyes.
And in the end the only thing accomplished is more hate and bigotry and possibly Americans
traveling abroad hurt or injured.

[lakota]

Well, like it or not, just like the muslims' right to build the 9/11 Victory Mosque is protected under the first amendment so is this guy's right to burn korans. If we start selectively applying the first amendment it ceases to be a right and becomes a privledge.

Who will be in charge of deciding what people get to exercise that privledege?

If we HAVE to let muslims build a mosque then we HAVE to let this attention whore burn korans.

No burning of korans allowed well then no mosque allowed. They are the same issue and they cannot be seperated.

[beerbelly]

Hell they burn the American flag all the time and chant death to America. But that just don't seem to bother the lefty's. By the way along with his first amendment rights he don't need any one's permission to be a preacher.

[scootrd]

Hell they burn the American flag all the time and chant death to America. But that just don't seem to bother the lefty's. By the way along with his first amendment rights he don't need any one's permission to be a preacher.

It Bothers me when they burn our flag.
Any kind of protest like these bother me.
It accomplishes nothing positive , it just incites Hate.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

Your right he call himself a preacher if that equals a preacher of Hate.
But he is not a man of God , at least not the loving God I know.

[billy_56081]

Impolite yes, rude yes, but is within his rights. When as Americans do we curb our rights when threatened with violence. Would the goverment ask the imam not to build the ground zero mosque if the catholics threatened violence? Would planned parenthood not build an abortion clinic if the baptists threatened bombing it?

This is just a book he is burning. You can see several koran burnings on youtube this guy is not the first or last. The media is hyping this which is nothing.

If this inflames the muzlim world then so be it. Let's get on with the war and may god give us victory.

[dukkillr]

Impolite yes, rude yes, but is within his rights. When as Americans do we curb our rights when threatened with violence. Would the goverment ask the imam not to build the ground zero mosque if the catholics threatened violence? Would planned parenthood not build an abortion clinic if the baptists threatened bombing it?

This is just a book he is burning. You can see several koran burnings on youtube this guy is not the first or last. The media is hyping this which is nothing.

If this inflames the muzlim world then so be it. Let's get on with the war and may god give us victory.

Strangely, I agree with Billy... at least up until the last sentence.  I am a firm supporter of the first amendment, even when I find it offensive or inconvenient.