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Islam is not a Religion!
« on: September 08, 2010, 01:31:52 AM »
I found this to be a very interesting and thought provoking article, it opens up some areas I had never considered, long but worth the read………… ???

Islam Is Not A Religion, It Is Foreign Law
By JR Dieckmann
The time has come to question if Islam is protected under our First Amendment rights to freedom of
religion. Yes, everyone in America has the right to freedom of religion, but Islam is not a religion.
Religious faith is only a part of Islam. The rest is a socially engineered society with its own laws and
customs that seriously conflict with American law.
Is Great Britain a religion because they have the Church of England? Of course not. Britain has an
established charter, civil and criminal laws, and a society that respects those laws. Islam has the
Qur'an that provides the governing charter, complete with laws, punishment, and social behavior for its
people in addition to its religious teachings. If Islam is a religion, then Britain is also.
We must recognize that religion is only one aspect of Islam‘s Qur'an. The rest of this charter advances
ideas, social behavior, and laws that are in direct conflict with American and western laws and values.
Teddy Roosevelt once said that to live in America, immigrants must have undivided loyalty to America
and to no one else. How is that possible for Muslims who swear loyalty to Islam where their governing
laws are found in the Qur‘an?
What legitimate religion would demand that its members either kill or convert people of other faiths?
What legitimate religion is intent on imposing its own laws on the rest of the entire world? If Islam were
just about praying to Allah and worshiping Mohammed and nothing more, we would not be having a
problem with Islamism and Islamic terrorists. Islam has a global mission to take over and run the world
according to Islamic Shariah law. How can we call that a religion?
What legitimate religion in this country comes with its own civil laws that take precedence over
national, state, and local laws? No, Islam is not a religion. It is a governing doctrine that not only
dictates religious beliefs, but also social behavior that includes laws, penalties and punishments, not by
God, but by people if the laws are not obeyed. Islam is a form of government, not a religion. It does not
belong here. We already have government under our Constitution (sort of).
As Muslims build their mega-Mosques in our nation - financed by Saudi Arabia - they laugh at the
stupid Americans who are selling out their fellow citizens by allowing Islam to take over our country a
little bit at a time. It is the same method used over decades by the Marxist Progressives who now have
control of our government - take away our liberties one little piece at a time until full control and
submission is achieved.
Islamists know they cannot destroy us militarily, but they also know that they can do it with political
correctness and insisting that we respect their freedom of religion, even though they have no respect
for ours. We are extending a welcoming hand to the enemy of our country and western culture under
the pretense of religious freedom.
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What religion recruits killers and terrorists in their place of worship, then sends them off to foreign
training grounds to become proficient at mass murder? I know of only one. They are taught to kill in the
name of God, but this is not the law of God who commanded “thou shall not kill” - it is the law of
Mohammed who commanded “kill them all who will not convert.”
The Qur’an blurs the lines between religion and government and teaches that Islamic government is
God’s law. It certainly is not. Why do we tolerate this abomination in America where our laws maintain
a separation between church and state? To accept Islam in America is to accept Islamic law as well.
Are we out of our minds? Did anyone notice that we are at war with these people? Terrorists feed on
the same rulebook as other Muslims who have so far remained peaceful. Will they be making the same
decision that Barack Obama made when he wrote in “Dreams Of My Father” - "When the political
winds shift in an ugly direction, I will side with the Muslims?" It is always nice to know that our
president is on our side when America goes to war. Too bad this one is not.
The same thing is happening in the southern Border States where Mexicans are taking over cities one
by one. You need look no further than the Los Angeles boycott of Arizona to realize that the city
government in L.A. now sides with Mexico and Mexican Nationals over the legal citizens of this
country.
The strong Democratic population has even elected a Mexican mayor to run the city, and half of the
city council members have Mexican surnames, as do many in the California state legislature. Although
most of these legislators were born here in America, their loyalties seem to lie more with Mexico and
Mexican citizens who are now invading our state along with other Border States.
These people of Mecha and La Raza believe this land is rightfully theirs and they intend to govern it for
their people. Any objections are met with charges of racism aimed at Americans who simply want to
preserve the American language, culture, values, and way of life. Los Angeles has changed a great
deal since this invasion began and many American have moved out to find a new homeland.
What are we going to do when we see the same thing happening in the federal government? What are
we going to do when Muslims demand that the United States respect and enforce Shariah law? They
are already doing it in England and other European countries. It is only a short time before we see it
here too. Shariah is already creeping into the courts and local laws in some states.
Is that the kind of country we want? Or do we want the country that our founders created? I have no
problem with Muslims living in Islamic countries overseas where they can have the kind of society they
desire, as long as they leave us alone and free to enjoy the kind of society that we desire. The two
cannot be reconciled into one united society any more than capitalists can unite with communists. It
must be one or the other.
Some people think we should be bending over backwards to make nice with Muslims and make sure
they feel welcome in our country because that is what America is all about, they say. Immigrants built
America, they say. To an extent, this is true if we are talking about the immigrants who migrated here
to become Americans and help to build this great country over 200 years ago.
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Today we have way too many foreigners coming to America not to become Americans, but instead to
change America. They want to dominate instead of assimilate. They want us to accept their culture
instead of them accepting our culture and becoming productive members of it.
Are you tired of being called “an immigrant” right here in your home country? I know I am. “America is
a nation of immigrants,” they say. Let me state this for the record. I am not an immigrant, I am a natural
born American. My parents were born here. My grandparents and great grandparents were born here.
How many others in this country have the same family history? How many people reading this have
known no other flag than the American flag?
We are not immigrants, we are Americans - and America is a nation of Americans - not a nation of
immigrants. How much longer will we be able to call ourselves “Americans” with foreign cultures and
emphases on diversity encroaching on our country? People naturally gravitate toward their own kind,
not because they are racists, but because they seek the company of others with whom they have
things in common.
It’s becoming increasingly difficult to relate to people here in Los Angeles who don’t even speak our
language. This creates an atmosphere of mistrust, resentment and hostility when we see our city being
taking over by foreign invaders. Now we have to lock our doors both at home an in our cars.
When America was being built, most everyone was an immigrant - from Europe. That was over 200
years ago. We still welcome immigrants who want to become a part of America and become American
- but where do we draw the line between welcoming friends and embracing our enemies? Obviously, to
those running our government, there is no line thanks largely to Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and a
Congress full of Democrats when they passed The Hart-Celler Act of 1965.
"The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not
relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs," Kennedy said.
Oh really?
IMMIGRATION TRENDS
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If Muslims want to live and work in America and worship their prophet and God, that is not a problem.
But when they try to go beyond their own personal worship and demand that we change our society to
accommodate them, then that is where we need to draw the line. It is not we who should change, it is
they. Just like people migrating from Mexico, they need to discard their old country ways, adapt to
America, assimilate into our society, and become Americans.
Muslim worship is protected under the First Amendment, Islamic law is not. Until Muslims - and our
own government - can accept that, then Islam cannot be considered a religion and Islamic culture does
not belong here in America.
JR Dieckmann is editor, publisher, writer, and webmaster of GreatAmericanJournal.com. He
also works as an electrician in Los Angeles. He has been writing and publishing articles on the web
since 2000. Permission for reprints and reposts of this article are freely granted and approved by the
author providing credit is given to the writer and linked to the original source at GreatAmericanJournal.
com. JR can be contacted at http://www.greatamericanjournal.com/contact
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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 01:44:35 AM »
Well rockbilly, unfortunately for the writer, he needs to do another essay on the Holy Bible. You see, it too has not only "RELIGOUS DOCTRINE" concerning the "Christian Beliefs", but also "CHRISTIAN LAWS" that we are to adhere to, and also "CONSIDER THIS". The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, are FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES, AND LAWS. Example: THOU SHALT NOT KILL (actually meaning MURDER). And the list goes on, and on.
The difference between the Holy Bible, and the Koran, are what it teaches, but both are stuffed full of Laws to be followed by the respective believers.

God also instructs us to be "a peculiar people" separating ourselves from the world". In Hebrews Chapter 8 verse 10, God says: I will put my LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
In 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 3 verse 14, God says: And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, not that man, and have no company with him,. Now God goes on to say not to count him as an enemy, but as a lost brother, and there is one of the many differences between the Bible and the Koran. But in many ways they are parallel in their structure, of teaching and dictating law to the believer.
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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 02:44:27 AM »
I've said for many years that the Koran was a handbook for maintaining dictatorial power.
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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 03:25:58 AM »
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Islam is not a Religion!

Oh...
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 03:32:33 AM »
Dee has it nailed.
Consider also at one time the Catholic church held the power that Islam does in its part of the world. Our fore fathers walked away from it and seperated it and followed many religions. The question is will Islam go thru. the same process. Will those comming to other countries decide they like freedom ?
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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 05:54:15 AM »
Islam did control a large part of the world.  In the period before 1500AD they held sway over Spain and other Euro countries.  You must know that the money Queen Isabella used to finance Columbus was taken back from the Moslems in Spain.  The Spainish government and the Catholic Church waged a bloody battle over the control of Religion and government.  Many words in the Spainish lexicon are taken from the moslems. Islam comes complete with a very repressive set of laws.  You can  say the laws of Moses are also unfairly used in the US.  However, when did we last stone to death some one, or cut off hands, or behead some one.  Yes all this is done without civil trials.  This is done in the name of Allah.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 06:04:24 AM »
It was done under christian rule also . Seems as the muslims left Spain the christians tortured many in an effort to make sure they were christians and repented sins wheather they commited them or not . And how they did it was no civil trial. And then the witches in Salem . No christians when not checked have been just as bad.
History repetes and we need to send them home again.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 07:36:07 AM »
Wow! what a stimulating conversation.  I must agree with shootall and add that these bad behaviors
seem to be in the nature of man who bends religion to meet this nature.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 08:14:10 AM »
clodbuster , good add ! man corrupts
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2010, 08:19:50 AM »
the big ? is when will the Muslims seperate church and state ? Seems some are doing so and others want/are killing them for it. Remember the ruling class is educated the majority are not in many places . It takes brave people to change and risk security . It is why wealfare is so bad , people don't want to chance loss of what they have for what they might have.
 As Americans we should welcome the Muslims willing tho change by seperating church and state and run the ones that don't back to where they came from . Interesting times we live in .
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2010, 09:08:27 AM »
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Islam is not a Religion!

Oh...

Correct it is a cult.
Look it up
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2010, 10:29:04 AM »
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Islam is not a Religion!

Oh...

Correct it is a cult.
Look it up

Not to nitpick, but typically the only distinction between a cult and a religion is the number of followers it has.  Just a handful? Cult.  Lots?  Religion.  Both different degrees of the same phenomenon.

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2010, 11:27:27 AM »
As Americans we should welcome the Muslims

If we do they will rule us! We should kick them out of the country as fast as possable.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2010, 11:32:51 AM »
BB you don't think they will see freedom and just fall in love with it ? Forget they cam to kill us ?  ::)
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2010, 11:44:56 AM »
BB you don't think they will see freedom and just fall in love with it ? Forget they cam to kill us ? 

. Sure they will, just like the one's that flew the planes into the trade center and pentagon.
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 12:13:43 PM »
No BB and it wasn't a bunch of Methodist or Baptist or Catholics that killed over 3,000 Americans that day. The officer that slaughtered American soldiers at Ft Hood was an up front American hating Moslem.  Now he is being hidden and protected by OBama and OBiden. And the left wing keeps telling Americans that we are guilty of racial and relgious hatred.  Problem is many Americans believe this propaganda.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 12:44:27 PM »
Problem is many Americans believe this propaganda.

Truer words never spoken ... the PROBLEM is how many Americans are buying into propaganda, on both sides of the issue. We've never been more divided as a nation, not even during the "civil" war. We've embraced diversity so long, its turned into division, and there are others that are playing off the fears and ambitions of all the factions.

Islam is a religion, i.e. institutionalized system of attitudes, beliefs and practices, often in the service or worship of a deity or supernatural entity. It prescribes a way of life, government, law and social practices that would be in keeping with its beliefs. Islam and neo-liberalism both share the same tenet that good ideas should be mandated by law and all should be forced to align to it. Islam prophesies of a world united under theocratic rule adhering to sharia, and encourages its followers to work both publicly and privately to change the world to match that vision.

But what our government has granted special status to is not the faith, but rather to those who purport to adhere to it, regardless of their devotion to its stated beliefs. Its not afraid of upsetting Allah, its afraid of upsetting Muslims. Which is why the author posited that the Islam we are bowing to is not a faith, but rather a socio-political force in the world.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 08:05:41 PM »
  
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clodbuster:  seem to be in the nature of man who bends religion to meet this nature.
Not only did Spain as a Christian state torture the muslims as Range Rider stated, they also did the same to the Jews.  For starters, nearly 17,000 Jews were taken out into the channel and thrown overboard.  
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2010, 02:12:05 AM »
With everyone one earth killing Jews since time began, I am surprised there are any left. You don't think there might be a little propaganda in there do you? Of Corse not, not from the chosen ones!
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2010, 05:19:51 AM »

 
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TM7: The ruling elite 'priest' will continue to worship Moloch or whatever name they have for the power of the underworld.

...........hold on to your hat.   How about this one____ his counter part.  'The Statue of Liberty, standing in the waters off New York City.............  this ancient goddess is a goddess of many names, yet one of no name, elusive you might say.

Often called the "Virgin goddess" , but in reality as "Diana" in the Temple of Ephesus, she was a harlot.

  In her right hand is a torch, but is awaiting the 'Cup' and the purple robe to adorn her back.  Both of which are said to have been made at the time of her construction and supposedly sits somewhere in a warehouse.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2010, 05:26:11 AM »
Websters's says it one for the record.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2010, 07:11:15 AM »
the NWO-satanist...  true Christianity... judaoe-christianity... fusion by fire/war... Transcommunitarism...  melding of judaoe-christianity with islamic tenets... elite 'priest' ... Moloch... the power of the underworld

 :o   ???   :-\  This is way to deep for my limited intellect...  :-[

Guess I'll just follow the word of God contained in the Holy Bible.   :-\   ... leave all this other stuff to people who want to mull it over... ;)

Hi-ebber, and day always be a hi-ebber, I do occasionally wonder if my Molochiam/islamic tenets are melding with my judaoe-christianity Transcommunitarism?   ;D
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2010, 07:42:47 AM »
I think we all need to take some lsd and reread that one.

TM please save that material for after we get a bunch of beer in us at the BBQ. If you put that early in the comedy routine our minds won't be altered enough to grasp that far out groovy stuff.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2010, 08:32:31 AM »
TM7 :)

I've got to agree with some parts of the above. Could you bring it down a level or two so we of lesser intellect can understand. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2010, 12:01:06 PM »
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Transcommunitarism will be a melding of judaoe-christianity with islamic tenets which will make good little worker ants for the power of the State. The ruling elite 'priest' will continue to worship Moloch or whatever name they have for the power of the underworld.

TM7, if you'll permit a rephrasing or attempt to assimilate that chunk into western evangelical eschatology (end times studies) ... it appears that you're suggesting a one world religion will come to exist, combining members of all currently existing religions, following a single high priest who in fact worships satan. That would be in keeping with the popular pre-millenial view of events within the 7 year tribulation. A single religion aligned with a single state or government, led by a false prophet and the anti-christ. This view also expressly understands that many self-declared christians and jews will follow the false prophet, believing him to be the messiah/second coming of christ/mehdi/12th Imam/reincarnation of Buddha, etc. The rebuilt temple in Jersualem will be the dedicated to its worship, and some miraculous events will cause many to believe in it. Transcommunitarianism is a long way of saying a one world nation, or blending of community across all geographic borders, which ties in well with the one world faith/government idea. It would seem its the natural progression of human nature as represented in the story of the Tower of Babel - man united under a single ruler elevating itself to the level of a god.

If that's what you're saying, then you are in fact agreeing with popular evangelical eschatology as represented in the fictitious Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye.
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2010, 12:55:58 PM »
Islam and its immigrants to the USA are a real problem.  Unfornuately, if we don't resolve the bigger problem of the WackJobs that run the Federal government, then all will be lost.  The ruin that has been heaped upon this country in the last 50+ years by the Executive, Judical and Legislative Branches of the Fed. Govt. is unbelievable.

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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2010, 06:30:30 PM »
Well rockbilly, unfortunately for the writer, he needs to do another essay on the Holy Bible. You see, it too has not only "RELIGOUS DOCTRINE" concerning the "Christian Beliefs", but also "CHRISTIAN LAWS" that we are to adhere to, and also "CONSIDER THIS". The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, are FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES, AND LAWS. Example: THOU SHALT NOT KILL (actually meaning MURDER). And the list goes on, and on.
The difference between the Holy Bible, and the Koran, are what it teaches, but both are stuffed full of Laws to be followed by the respective believers.

God also instructs us to be "a peculiar people" separating ourselves from the world". In Hebrews Chapter 8 verse 10, God says: I will put my LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
In 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 3 verse 14, God says: And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, not that man, and have no company with him,. Now God goes on to say not to count him as an enemy, but as a lost brother, and there is one of the many differences between the Bible and the Koran. But in many ways they are parallel in their structure, of teaching and dictating law to the believer.
I choose Christ Crucified, while they choose Allah the Sun God.

Actually,MOST religions have prohibitions against stealing and murdering. In fact there are more similarities between the Quran and the Bible than differences. They are both filled with all sorts of crazy stuff. Most people in the US choose to ignore most of it. They would be shocked at someone killing their child for instance becuase he was insolent(that's in the Bible). In another thread someone suggested that I lack understanding and that a "Sunday school education" would explain to me why most of the crazy stuff in the old testament is not followed,but that's exactly my point. They have some excuse why they can cherry pick what they want from it. Most religions are like that. Its the fundamentalists that are typically the scary ones whether they be Christians or Muslims.

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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2010, 07:13:57 PM »
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Guess I'll just follow the word of God contained in the Holy Bible.      ... leave all this other stuff to people who want to mull it over...



YEP. Me too ATLAW.
Scatterbrain. tm can't do that, he enjoys throwing around a bunch of $10 words that only he understands, kinda his way of talking down to us peons. That way he hopes the truth will simply be swept under the rug while we are trying to figger out what the heck he's saying.  He's the expert at the ol switcheroo. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2010, 07:37:42 PM »
With everyone one earth killing Jews since time began, I am surprised there are any left. You don't think there might be a little propaganda in there do you? Of Corse not, not from the chosen ones!
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 I (and most people of eastern European descent)  have relatives that died at the hands of the Nazis,so dont give me that BS.

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Re: Islam is not a Religion!
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2010, 07:39:15 PM »
TNel...I'm working on a theory that the NWO-satanist do not want true Christianity around any longer....judaoe-christianity is OK for now and needed for a fusion by fire/war to sieze the planet once and for all. Transcommunitarism will be a melding of judaoe-christianity with islamic tenets which will make good little worker ants for the power of the State. The ruling elite 'priest' will continue to worship Moloch or whatever name they have for the power of the underworld.


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