Author Topic: 911 Video footage you're suppose to forget and some new footage--no Boeing (Read 12413 times)

billy_56081 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 29, 2011, 04:37:23 AM »

It's called ground effect,DUHH!!

bubba · « **Reply #31 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:32:29 AM »

I am going to go buy more aluminum foil

billy_56081 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:57:29 AM »

TM, what part of IT COULD NOT HAVE PULLED UP WITHOUT HIM SEEING IT, does not register with you? You seem to have a problem with avoiding the truth.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 30, 2011, 04:10:48 AM »

So TM in your "theory" now you are saying. That a plane came in super low correct? That is what my cousin saw correct? This plane was flying at an impossibly low elevation that a professional pilot would have a hard time doing correct? Now your saying at the very last second this "flyover plane" pulled hard up at the last second? And to top that a coordinated missile flew in and hit the pentagon at the same time correct? Or in one theory it was a radio controlled airliner that flew this impossibly low flight, you said correct?

And you find it hard to believe what my cousin saw and heard?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 30, 2011, 05:50:33 AM »

Did I say he was a long ways away? No you did. He was close enough to hear the impact in seconds after the plane flew over him. As I have said over and over. And no I do not know what his location was. But what he said does not contradict itself like the thing you say do. You one time say it was a missile, and another time say it was a remote controlled airliner. Which was it?

Oh wait you are just theorizing that's right!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 30, 2011, 06:28:42 AM »

SO in your "opinion" which was it a cruise missile that was coordinated with a very low flyover or a remote controlled airliner that flew so low that no professional pilot would have been able to fly that plane?

I think I'll stick with my cousin telling me that he saw the airliner fly very low over him in the direction of the pentagon, and immediately after heard the impact and saw the smoke.

How about a poll of whose sounds more believable?

BUGEYE · « **Reply #36 on:** January 31, 2011, 05:01:11 AM »

Bugeye..I deleted most of your post because it wanders into the personal ridicule area which management wants us to avoid. This forum is for hashing out a few things taken for granted by many folks; to flyover and have a looksee. There is nothing personal here except how people look at facts, evidence, and various accounts....so we're going to stick to facts, evidence, reports, and accounts. Everybody is entitled to believe what they believe, and can support it if they so desire, but not by emotional or personal impunations. Additionally, we don't really know what others think or desire until they say so....that would be conjecture or hearsay.

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Billy, your story makes sense.

Its OKay for you make sense of Billy's story...just fine,,,nice if you can tell us why, however. Billy's story makes sense to him and others.... Nobody is calling Billy a lier..I/others just happen to see his story supporting one of the other theories in context of other accounts taken all together, not singularly. Since Billy and we don't know the exact location of his cousin we'll just have to leave it a that for right now.

..TM7

billy_56081 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:17:32 PM »

Bugeye, the folks who have an agenda will forward their views and delete the ones that do not agree with theirs.

It all comes down to there were a lot of credible witnesses who have one consistent story. They all saw an airliner crash into the pentagon. On the other side the ones with an agenda have several conflicting stories. Take here, we have someone who says in one post that it was a cruise missile with a coordinated fly over of an airliner. And in another they say it was a remotely controlled airliner flying in a manner in which they claim "professional pilots" could not have flown. I will stick with my cousins story and after that common sense. I guess to me life is simple end black and white no need to delve into the fantasy world.

Spanky · « **Reply #38 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:55:00 PM »

Sometimes I think conspiracy theories are crap and sometimes I don't.
This time I don't... somebody is covering up something.
I wasn't there and I didn't see it with my own eyes but whatever is in that video doesn't look like a plane to me.

Spanky

suba · « **Reply #39 on:** January 31, 2011, 05:55:03 PM »

I know all about ground effects. I'm a pilot. There is no way possible for a large airliner with the kind of airspeed to get anywhere near the ground. The closest it would have come is around 60 feet, and probably more. I didn't want to believe there was a cover up either until I looked at the science. You just can't dispute the science, or the magnitude of inconsistencies.

911 was the biggest cover up and conspiracy in our nations history imo, yet there are people who still say the truthers are crazy. Guess what. I'm not crazy. If we are to salvage our freedom and our country, we need as a united people to demand a new investigation. We need to expose the evil doers, and try to regain our civil liberties. There is no time to waste. We must not fail our duty as Americans. We must not fail future generations....

Get on board you non believers....everyone needs to wake up. This is no joke. It's wake up now, or suffer the future, and it's going to be really ugly. If you don't care about yourself, care about future generations. Our forefathers died so we could live as free people. Let' not let them die in vain. Let's not let all who gave their lives to protect our freedom and way of life die in vain. Stand up and be counted. Stand up and be a man, and let's fight the good fight.

usmc 1969-72

williamlayton · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2011, 10:34:00 PM »

How do you explain the bodies.
Blessings

billy_56081 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 01, 2011, 01:45:49 AM »

Suba how do you explain the eye witnesses?

suba · « **Reply #42 on:** February 01, 2011, 03:53:03 AM »

There are few things worse than trying to teach people who refuse to learn. I can't in all honesty blame some people like that. Try as they might, they just can't grasp concepts. They just can't seem to understand what others absorb so easily. I have little patience for teaching. I have little patience for people who cannot see the forest because of the trees.

Our government has undermined, subverted, and overthrown many other countries. That's what we do best. Do you honestly want me to believe that factions in our government didn't have the motives, the will, and the ability to pull off something as simple as 911 ? I don't have time for the long speech. I don't need to explain anything to anyone. Either people are smart enough to get it, or their not.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2011, 04:21:25 AM »

My my all I asked was how can the eye witnesses be explained.

suba · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2011, 06:41:36 AM »

There was no intent of personal attack against anyone. I wasn't speaking about anyone specifically, just stating a fact. Some people, and again not referring to anyone specifically are just not rational. People who if after researching all of the evidence relating to 911 who still say the official story is true, either have an agenda to suppress the truth, or are living with their heads in the sand. I can't fathom any other explanation.

Eye witness accounts of anything have proven to generally not be credible. Throw out eye witness accounts. Where are the bodies, how many bodies, how few bodies, again, that should not be the focus ( yet ) The focus should be on the science. The physics. The verified and indisputable. By any rational standard, there is more than enough tangible evidence to show the official story is not accurate. Then take into account the 911 commission report, and what was omitted and who were the participants and why were they picked.

The bottom line, and I get tired of repeating this, is that no matter what side of the fence you're on, you should accept and insist on a new investigation. Let whatever truth there is come out. The biggest difference between the non believers and the truthers is this. The non believers say it happened just the way the official story said, and they are opposed to a new investigation for reasons not clearly understood by me ( probably because deep down they don't want their view of the world shattered ) The truthers sadly know the evidence is overwhelming the official story is a lie, yet they wish they were wrong.

One way to find the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth once and for all, is for every American to stand up and demand a new truly independent body to reexamine the events of 911. We have nothing to lose, but everything to gain. What's the problem people. Who doesn't want to know the truth...and don't anyone tell me the truth has already been told....geeze just wake up because the future of this country also depends on you. Do you're part. Be a patriot. Be an American and fight for you're freedoms while you still have some left.

gypsyman · « **Reply #45 on:** February 01, 2011, 07:05:52 AM »

Watched a special on National Geo, with the truthers, and a bunch of engineers. Also had picture's of airplane parts and engine's outside the Pentagon.
Engineers and blasting experts tried to duplicate what the truthers said had happened. Sorry guys, everytime they did an experiment, couldn't duplicate what the truthers said was possible.
Blasting experts said that it would take 6 months and over 50 workers to cut and place explosive's in building the size of the Twin Towers, to bring them down like what the truthers said. Super extra hot thermite was used to try and cut girders and supports. That didn't work either. Guess it'll be like the Kennedy asasination, always be doubters. gypsyman

suba · « **Reply #46 on:** February 01, 2011, 07:58:27 AM »

Many forms of media are funded in part from government grants. Even NPR, and PBS are funded with government money. In other words programing needs approval in many cases before airing controversial broadcasts. Main stream media is eerily quiet about 911. Ever wonder why ? What about building 7. How did building 7 collapse. Silverstein is on record that he ordered the building pulled. The 911 commission never addressed building 7. If building 7 was imploded, the towers were also. Check into it.

Security for the towers was owned by a company Jeb Bush owned or was involved with. There are many reports of large construction personnel working in the towers weeks before 911. Some key companies pulled out of the towers days before the attack. There were abnormally high volumes of put and call option trading on the airlines days before the attacks. So you're basing your opinion on what some blasting experts on a television program said ? The focus should have been on building 7. Let the blasting experts examine the footage. It's conclusive among the blasting experts I've researched. Their opinion is that building 7 was imploded. There is no other explanation. If building 7 had thermite, so did the towers.

suba · « **Reply #47 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:42:49 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on February 01, 2011, 07:48:34 AM

Suba...yeah, I should think gov loyalist would want a bonafide investigation, especially if it proves their Official Conspiracy Theory. As a pilot, do you have info on the funny flight paths and skill levels needed to fly one of these 200 ton craft? Or why no arabs showed up in any flight manifests, or autospies for that matter.

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Gypsyman...yeah, seems like that show was more a re-hash of the official conspiracy theory. All they got to do is release the numerous pentacon videos seized, release the unified serial number codes for the parts they claim they have, release the FDRecorder information in total, explain how novice pilots could accomplish that flying feat, tell us where the missing $2.3 trillion pentacon funds went, tell us why there were no arabs listed on any flight manifest. And about 200 other questions. Keep in mind that first mass media reports of the pentacon hit showed zero plane parts and claimed it was an explosion,,,how parts appeared on the lawn later also needs explaining. Parts seen in photos do not match up to 757 parts especially some small diameter engine rotor....See worst forgery ever article.

As for the WTC,,,there was plenty of time to rig those 4 buildings since the last so-called FBI-terrorist attacks, and plenty of israeli art students were seen coming and going at night in white vans....same kind of van stopped on GW Bridge by Police loaded with explosives, art studenst, and cash. Apparently, Marvin Bush who headed up security for the WTC under contract by ITCS, an israeli security company, same company that had security contract for Logan Airport ( not to mention security for the recently bombed Russian airport) was not paying attention. Furthermore, I would not rule out more eclectic means of dropping these 3 buildings than simple demolition charges as these towers were designed to take TWO 707 hits. See explosions video in this forum.

Meanwhile a great unkown is how Lucky Larry Silverstein, friend of Bibi Netanyahu, bought the condemned WTC white elephant a few months previous, and immediately bought only terrorism insurance. Lucky Larry avoided paying billions in asbestos removal and renovations and instead turned a $4-7 billion profit on insurance settlements.

What the OCTheorist ignore is the total pulverization of these buildings, 3 of which fell at the speed of gravity--a fourth blown, which can only mean timed simulatenous sequenced PLANNED collapses...not random events. Also, unusual is how two buildings, a 1/4 mile high each, didn't sag, slide, or fall over but are said to 'pancake' only left a debris field barely higher than ground level. BTW,,,if it is that easy for steel framed skyscrapers to simultaneously fail, I would earnestly suggest never entering such a building again for any purpose...let alone work in one if they're that flimsy.

..TM7
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You make all excellent points. You've done your homework. There's just so much evidence on the table, I fail to see why a new commission hasn't been formed. By belief is that no politician want's to risk political suicide by drafting a bill. My guess is there is a lot of fear of who's really running things in Washington, and you don't know who your enemies are. We need a national effort insisting on a new investigation. I don't know any organization that is actively pushing full steam ahead for an investigation. There needs to be a petition sent to every household in this country asking if they support a new investigation.

The flight skills needed as PIC...pilot in command for a heavy aircraft such as a 757 are beyond the abilities of probably 99 % of all commercial pilots. Hani Hanjour as reported by a flight instructor where he tried to get checked out in a 172 were that he could hardly control the Cessna. This is not a person who could fly a 757 in his wildest dreams, and he did not pilot the aircraft. No way. Never in two million years. Sure, the manifests, autopsies, all of it. One big cover up. One big lie. But why ? That the real question. Until people start to understand the motives, they only see half the picture. Factions in our government decided another event like Pearl Harbor was needed to get us behind invading the middle east. It's more complicated than that. Much more complicated. It was about changing American society in one blow. About ending our civil liberties. About controlling the population like never before. The best we can ever hope for is to prove the official story was a cover up, and expose the people behind it before they die, so they can be brought to justice., then maybe we can save the future.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 01, 2011, 09:01:57 AM »

I've posted video of eye witness testimony and have a cousin whom I trust tell me of seeing the plane. It seems here say and speculation holds more water with the truthers than eye witness accounts evidence and facts.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2011, 05:35:56 AM »

TM how can my cousins story support this silly lie of the fly over missile thoery. He said IT COULD NOT HAVE PULLED UP WITHOUT HIM SEEING IT.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 13, 2011, 07:29:12 AM »

TM your wittnesses are not around to be questioned. They all have contradicting stories. Only these "professional pilots" exist in truther blogs. Most pilots I know say that it is very easy to fly low like that because of the ground effect. Every witness I have seen videos of was not ever proven false.

And again I will repeat, my cousin said " IT COULD NOT HAVE PULLED UP WITHOUT HIM SEEING IT".

billy_56081 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2011, 09:26:23 AM »

I am not short on sources I have posted video of eye witnesses to the airliner hitting the pentagon. My cousins story fits the consistant over and over retold official story. You post differing and inconsistant theories and try to push them as fact.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:11:55 PM »

I've posted the videos, you have seen them. You continue to forward only things that fit your agenda no matter how far out they are.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #53 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:26:37 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on February 13, 2011, 12:11:55 PM

I've posted the videos, you have seen them. You continue to forward only things that fit your agenda no matter how far out they are.

Where? I didn't see any videos.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:32:42 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk

Try this for starters.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:35:12 PM »

Here's another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ag6brfWro

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #56 on:** February 13, 2011, 01:38:41 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on February 13, 2011, 12:32:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk

Try this for starters.

Same man different story. In Billy's video he said he saw the wings fold back and go through the wall. ( I find this hard to believe, I think they would shear off.) Then in the side bar I see a link to this video filmed live on the seen. Same man saw the plane disappear over the embankment then black smoke. So he didn’t see the plane hit before he saw the plane hit. ( sounds like John Kerry to me )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVUh6iflAYU&feature=related

billy_56081 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2011, 01:48:36 PM »

Fits what my cousin saw. So what makes more sense? I just went and picked the first few I saw. I could post hundreds more. But I am sure the truth is not exciting for you all.

oldsoldja · « **Reply #58 on:** February 21, 2011, 01:26:09 PM »

Im very sure that planes hit the towers, but to say an airliner hit the pentagon seems far fetched. Think about all the video cameras there are now and none but one caught the impact at the pentagon. That defies logic, especially when you can search for photos of airliner crashes and see a huge black pit. You dont see anything close to that at the pentagon. Even the fireball is tiny in comparison. And in the official video there is a corkscrew shaped contrail, and no big plane.
I think we shot that plane down somewhere else, and something smaller hit the pentagon. Maybe a missle that got away from us, or some scummy friends of cheney did it to cover up the shoot down. My nephew was a top gun type pilot who was still in the service at that time, and he says the fighters that took to the air to go on defence that day were definately going to either shoot them down or crash into the airliners wings if they had no missles on the fighters,and some did not wait to load because of the urgency.
I think if we did shoot that plane down, they may have told the families. I wonder if we will ever know.

That was quite a day.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 21, 2011, 02:17:28 PM »

Oldsolja, my cousin Mark saw the plane going in, while he did not see the impact he was close enough to hear the impact and see the smoke within seconds after the plane flew over him. Hesaid there was no way it could have pulled up without him seeing it. There are thousands of eye witnesses. No mystery there.

I just hate it when folks pass on lies as truth.