Author Topic: 911 Video footage you're suppose to forget and some new footage--no Boeing (Read 12410 times)

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #60 on:** March 05, 2011, 01:19:13 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on February 13, 2011, 12:35:12 PM

Here's another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ag6brfWro

I watched the video in TM7's original post many times. Looking for things that didn't look right, Things that could be verified by other sources. Really looking for the truth.

One thing that didn't real look right is the 2 or 3 seconds that show the missile hitting the Pentagon. It is taken from the air at a time when most planes are already grounded. The attack was in day light and the video was dark. It was hard to tell if the building was really the Pentagon.

After comparing the dark image to a few pictures of the Pentagon it looks like it is the Pentagon. It looks like thermal imaging, that would explain the darkness. This video if real could only come from a military aircraft. If it is real it would have to be leaked by someone in the military.

After watch in Billy's second eye witness account here, I see it is an AC 130. A military aircraft. The video puts the AC 130 in the exact location and camera angle necessary to take the 2 or 3 seconds of military quality thermal imaging video of the missile hitting the Pentagon. If this pilot is part of the conspiracy, I think he has a great incentive to lie about it.

gypsyman · « **Reply #61 on:** March 07, 2011, 10:29:29 AM »

I watched several videos from eyewitness's, and they all seemed pretty credible to me. I have a friend of mine, who is an airtraffic controller, and was working that day. (he works out of a Cleveland airport) He watched the Pennsylvania plane go down on his screen. And no, there wasn't any air force jets in the air at the time.
Suba, in one of your posts, you said your a pilot. And that dynamics wouldn't permit any jets the size that hit the towers to fly that low. Am I guessing that if air speed was slowed down some, that jets could fly at that altitude for some time?? Just wondering how fast they could be going?? gypsyman

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #62 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:07:45 PM »

I think the controversy is about planes not being able to hit the low Pentagon not the high towers.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:49:31 PM »

I dunno lost, my cousin saw it so no mystery to me.

1marty · « **Reply #64 on:** March 07, 2011, 04:19:14 PM »

I worked on Greenwich Street in Manhatten just one block north of the trade center complex. Although I didn't see the first plane hit I watched the second plane strike the tower. I felt the tremendous concussion when the plane hit. I was standing on West Street watching the fire when the first tower went down. I saw it, I watched people falling out of the towers like para troopers coming out of an airplane. These people who think it was a conspiracy make me sick. They dishonor the people who died that day. If, these conspiracy people were hit on the head with a brick they would claim it was a plot by the venusians on the planet Pluto.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #65 on:** March 09, 2011, 08:05:48 AM »

Building what? That is the question.

So, 1marty you live in NY. Have you seen the building what campaign?

The “BuildingWhat?” campaign is a non-partisan effort led by 9/11 family members to raise awareness of the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 and shift public opinion such that the New York City Council will be inspired to open an independent investigation into how this building, which housed the City’s Emergency Operations Center, was destroyed at 5:20pm on September 11, 2001.

Do the families of the people you saw falling from the towers really make you sick? If they want to know the truth, why wouldn't you? Watch the ad.

http://buildingwhat.org/buildingwhat-tv-ad/

45-70.gov · « **Reply #66 on:** March 09, 2011, 08:27:14 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 23, 2011, 12:44:29 PM

Suba, I did my investigating. My cousin saw the AIRLINER heading in at the Pentagon, he did not see the actual hit, but he said if it would have pulled up he would have seen that. Seconds after it flew very very low over him heheard the impact and then saw the smoke. Him and thousands of other witnessed this. Case closed for me.

BILLY !!!!!!

you too are working for the CIA
you are part of the cover up.....you and your cousin
this is further proof.......
you are on the CIA pay roll and were sent here to infitrate greybeards forum!!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #67 on:** March 09, 2011, 01:29:19 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on March 09, 2011, 08:27:14 AM

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 23, 2011, 12:44:29 PM
Suba, I did my investigating. My cousin saw the AIRLINER heading in at the Pentagon, he did not see the actual hit, but he said if it would have pulled up he would have seen that. Seconds after it flew very very low over him heheard the impact and then saw the smoke. Him and thousands of other witnessed this. Case closed for me.

BILLY !!!!!!

you too are working for the CIA
you are part of the cover up.....you and your cousin
this is further proof.......
you are on the CIA pay roll and were sent here to infitrate greybeards forum!!

Dangit you blew my cover 45-70. I feel like Valerie Plame.

HL · « **Reply #68 on:** March 09, 2011, 02:50:21 PM »

I'm not going to stick around to argue, because most have made up there minds by now on what they want to believe.

I do know there was a girl that went to high school and college with my wife that was killed on plane that hit the pentagon. Her funeral, here in San Antonio was made a big deal, when it occurred.

1marty · « **Reply #69 on:** March 09, 2011, 04:09:16 PM »

this is my last post here. whatever evidence one comes up here to debunk these conspiracy theory gruppies they'll just come up with another "theory". However, I'm inclined to believe that Igor from the planet Pluton had his Plutonians fire Zeon Falopean rockets into the Pentagon. Try to debunk that theory!!!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 09, 2011, 05:44:26 PM »

Its a smoke plume from the wing hitting a lamp post in the parking lot during its low approach.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:08:23 AM »

The theory I read is that it is a plume of smoke. When the aircraft was approaching the pentagon, oneof its wings clipped a lamp post. That clipping, created a plume of smoke and mico debris. That plume and debris was carried forward by the forward draft of the plane. So the theory is that is not a solid object but a smoke plume and micro debirs.

ratdog · « **Reply #72 on:** March 19, 2011, 09:06:11 PM »

tm7 im with you we need new investigation i watched some video footage of a military air craft hitting one of the twin towers the plane had no side windows. also showed hole in pentagon is to small for a large plane to have made.also what happened to the black boxes they found at the twin towers site.i have been following this for years we know its a cover up big time.i hope the truth comes out some day soon.have a great day

billy_56081 · « **Reply #73 on:** March 19, 2011, 10:45:07 PM »

Ratdog, my cousin saw the airliner going in and heard it hit. No mystery.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 20, 2011, 05:13:17 AM »

Ok TM As I have said over and over, he did not see the impact, but there was no way the plabe could have pulled up without him seeing it. It went over him, within seconds, he heard the impact, then saw the smoke. I know it doesn't fit the agenda, but there were thousands of other witneses also.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #75 on:** April 13, 2011, 09:41:49 PM »

I never looked into the Pentagon crash until this thread. I saw the collapsed building on the news. I didn't know it collapsed 20 minutes after the attack. It was real convenient that the building collapsed and covered up that tiny little hole. There is no way a 757 went though the original hole there before the collapse.

To make a hole like that the engines would have had to hit the ground, break off, fly up into the air then follow the plane though the hole without leaving a mark on the ground. The hole is too low the the ground for a 757 to go through with out the engines digging holes into the ground.

I'll have to continue to research, but it doesn't look good for the official story.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #76 on:** April 14, 2011, 02:32:46 AM »

Lost farmboy, my cousin saw the plane going in right up until seconds before the crash. He said there wasno way possible the plane he saw could pull up without him seeing it. It was a jet liner!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #77 on:** April 14, 2011, 07:35:28 AM »

No hoax TM my cousin along with thousands of others witnessed it. Case closed.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #78 on:** April 15, 2011, 03:35:08 AM »

No TM thousands did see it. One being my cousin. You don't even have a consistent story. In this story we have "professional pilots" who claim the plane could not be flown that way but in the next a claim of it was a remote controlled airplane. Liars always have inconsistencies in their stories. Oh wait it was a cruise missile.

Buckskin · « **Reply #79 on:** April 15, 2011, 07:21:38 AM »

Wow, just wow. It must be entertaining to have your mind believing in all of these conspiracies... Do you really think that this wasn't an airliner that crashed into the Pentagon??? Really??? In broad daylight a jet goes down with literally thousands of witnesses seeing a jet going down, you somehow transform it into a missle??? That nobody saw??? And because of one blurry security camera frame??? You realize that the pentagon is bigger than your average motel don't you... Your scale is just a bit off....

And how about the one that crashed into the field??? Was that a missle too??? The phone calls that were made just before the hero's went after the terrorists, those people didn't exist?

And the two that crashed into the WTC??? Illusions???

Seriously, I would go see a shrink before you people go over the edge completely and end up hurting yourself or someone else...

billy_56081 · « **Reply #80 on:** April 15, 2011, 07:42:23 AM »

I guess I will stay with the thousands of eye witnesses, video and forensic evidence verses the "confirmed by unknown sources" side.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #81 on:** April 15, 2011, 12:38:48 PM »

Billy,
It’s always best that you ignore thousands of eye witness accounts. Especially when they all pretty much match each other. Then you know they are all lying. It’s always much better to speculate based on internet rumors, alleged eye witness accounts and steady input of the poison keyboard from 50 year olds that still live in their parents basement. This is how you achieve what’s referred to in the blogosphere as "incremental speculation". For some folks who live off the public dole and/or for those that live in a rubber room with a straight jacket, pushing the envelope for incremental speculation is just a fun way to spend the day.......

billy_56081 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 16, 2011, 03:53:24 AM »

Exactly Cabin, especially when one of these witnesses was my cousin. The doubters say "but he didn't see the impact" yes true but he saw the airliner within seconds of it impacting and would have been able to see it if it had pulled up. Liars have inconsistent stories while the truth is consistent.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #83 on:** April 16, 2011, 06:49:55 AM »

So TM what is your answer for the thousands of eyewitnesses whose stories all match? What about the forensics? Why do the "truthers" stories match? Was it a cruise missile or a remote controlled airline that flew an "imoossible path" as your side says?

I'll stick with my cousin and the thousands of eye witnesses.

Lies often wander but the truth is consistent.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #84 on:** April 16, 2011, 07:08:24 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on April 16, 2011, 06:31:20 AM

There never was thousands of eyewitnesses to a pentagon hit...this is incorrect. Only about 113 witnessess have been rounded up and given statements or sound bites. Of this group only a handfull related seeing a hit. One key witness is the trained eye of the reporter in the video in posts #1 of this thread....who didn't see plane debris, etc.

A follow up on the witnesses indicates some strange bedfellows....

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackWitnessesBlast.shtml
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Here's the witness on site:

Then you guys in the minority can argue with Mjor Gen Bert Stubbelbine...

Pilotsfor911truth.com have demonstrated the gov's flight path and radar imagery is fake for flight 77

...only a dwindling gullible minority believe the official 911 conspiracy story.

..TM7
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Major General Bert Stubbelbine of the Health Freedom.Org? The same General that runs an NGO that pays no taxes?

??

TM!!! Are you sure??? This guys organization pays NO TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can this happen??? TM??? I would think this guy is EVIL to the core? OH, I got it. His mouth is moving in your direction so he's a hero now.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #85 on:** April 16, 2011, 09:17:42 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on April 16, 2011, 09:08:20 AM

C4...

..Major General Stubblebine is a bomb and blast damage expert...he obtained the rank of MG. I dare say he outranks you and is more of bomb/blast damage expert than any guy on these forums. I don't doubt his patriotism one bit. His tax situation has not one iota of bearing on this topic despite your incessant villiany; and I'm certain his personal tax responsibility is not shrugged or whined about. If he has contributed time and belongs to a non-profit information organization more power to him, and my thanks. It may be difficult for you to understand, but some folks actually do things without profit or just to help their fellow man. BTW, I suggest curbing your personally directed rhetoric and inuendo on this forum, and discuss the topics at hand.

..TM7

Just another sign of your willingness to support those that live off the backs of real tax payers. Just because you work for or create a non-profit, does not mean you don't generate revenue/donations and draw an income. It just means you budget to a net-zero profit. So your beloved general could be drawing a multi million dollar salary so they achive net-zero. A common practise of all these so called non-profit (501C corporations) to avoid paying ALL TAX at ALL Levels. Talk about evil but apparently the evil you love.

Buckskin · « **Reply #86 on:** April 16, 2011, 09:56:35 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on April 16, 2011, 09:48:09 AM

The org may be tax exempt...doesn't mean salaried wage earners are tax exempt....you should know that.

MG Stubblebine is right on target, in the 10 ring....he know's the system well.....we're lucky he's around.

TM7
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Yep, you conspiracy guys are lucky he's around. Very valuable to have a general with a grudge against the US to offer himself up as an expert witness.

For every one of the Stubblebine's there is 3 that disprove his thoughts completely. ZerObama would have blown this story out of the water as soon as he stepped into office...

Sorry, but this is too big of an operation to do without someone spilling the beans, and just because only 150 people were interviewed, doesn't mean there weren't thousands that saw the jet heading for the Pentagon.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #87 on:** April 16, 2011, 01:16:45 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on April 16, 2011, 06:49:55 AM

What about the forensics?

What forensics are you talking about? Did you check them out for yourself? Or are you just taking other peoples word for them? Do you have links?

Buckskin · « **Reply #88 on:** April 16, 2011, 02:18:31 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on April 16, 2011, 10:01:14 AM

The beans have been spilt all over...you haven't been paying attention.....TM7
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Really?

Please give me one name who was on the know about this plot that has come forward. Just one... There had to be hundreds involved, so you should be able to come up with one. Even a second hand witness, who knows a guy blah, blah, blah. They don't exist...

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #89 on:** April 16, 2011, 03:07:07 PM »

Quote from: Buckskin on April 16, 2011, 09:56:35 AM

ZerObama would have blown this story out of the water as soon as he stepped into office...

Why would he do that? They are on the same team. Obama and his Project Gunrunner selling guns to the Mexican drug cartels so he can have an excuse to take our guns proves that.

Oliver North and company caught red handed selling cocain, buying arms and trading them to Iran for hostages. Why didn't Clinton go after those durg dealers? He was one of them.