Cordoba House Near Ground Zero.........

[rockbilly]

This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate statement that I've read on this issue (and I've read a lot of them). I'm  not wild about Newt but sometimes he hits the nail dead on the head.

Statement on the Proposed " Cordoba House"Mosque near Ground Zero

Newt Gingrich

July 21, 2010 6pm


There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia . The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.



The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site, where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don't understand that " Cordoba House" is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain , the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque complex.



Today, some of the Mosque's backers insist this term is being used to "symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.  Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City . Meanwhile, there are no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia . In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca .  And they lecture us about tolerance.



If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign.



We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.  Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million mega mosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history.



Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.   America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could.


No mosque.
No self deception.
No surrender.
The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.

[wreckhog]

How accurate can the statement be if Cordoba House is technically not a mosque?

[Mikey]

accurate enough to run your dumb-azz butt over with a truck and then tell ya that you got hit by a car.  Technically not a truck, but you got your dumb butt run over anyhow..........................

The technicality you speak to is the same technicalities the muslims utilize in their arguements to emphasize our 'intolerances' while dumping islamic crap all over us. 

Time for technicalities are over, just tell them no, or tell them to get the saudis to open a synagogue first.

[BUGEYE]

How accurate can the statement be if Cordoba House is technically not a mosque?

people had better wake up.  their aim is islam worldwide.
they will do it any way they can.

[wreckhog]

If Obama converts the Constitution to Sharia law, will turkey bacon be Ok to eat? I hate turkey bacon.

[243shooter]

i can't unerstand how any citizen of this country can support this mosgue, or whatever else you wanna call it, being built so close to ground zero. it is rubbing salt in the wound, i know it and everone else should be able to see it too. don't give me any BS about freedom of religon or anything else, this has nothing to do with freedom of religon. i see your point about the native americans haveing christian churches biult on their holy lands, but that was a long time ago, let's concentrate on what's happening now. anyone with eyes can see that this is a play by the muslims to see how far they can push us. whats next? maybe a few christian churhes will get burnt down the land will get bought for more than it's worth, and then all of a sudden a mosque gets built in it's place. if a bunch of white christian americans were to do something so insensative and insulting to any other religious group, can you imagine the outrage?
as a side note, i don't think the arizona was sunk by a bunch of buddist extremists

[ironglow]

  Looks like Imam Rauf's "true colors" are starting to show through his threadbare facade..  He's chumming around with another Muslim who says the 9/11 murders were an "inside job' by our govt. 
      Hoot mon!; those Muslims really stick together don't they!
  This brings up a point discussed in an other thread; the supposition that Islam condones lying.
      Rauf's buddy, Faiz Khan, Louis Farrakhan and other radical Muslims claim our govt is blaming Muslims for for "false flag" crimes committed by the US or other governments, yet some moderate Muslims say "not so". however, in almost every case of such wanton murder, some Islamic "Army of god" or " warriors of El Gar-bage" boast of having pulled off the said killings.

  They can't all be telling the truth !

[lakota]

I heard Rudy Guliani interviewd over the weekend on this issue. He said as far as he is concerned this area is not near ground zero it IS ground zero. Then he went on to describe the scene on 9/11/2001. After hearing him describe what was going on I will never refer to it as "near ground zero" ever again.

[ironglow]

It is becoming more apparent that NY City has lost a good mayor (for NYC) since 9/11. Obviously, Rudy has more character than Bloomberg, Obama and Schumer rolled into one. Below is the link I neglected to leave in the above post:

  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/imam_pal_is_nut_gPPtzFWEtyaUlE3u4P4ckI

[powderman]

I'm glad to see the REAL Americans here support Newts statement and see the real truth. ALL of America should be Holy ground, let the Godless ones build their monument in iran or some other Godless nation, and take their people with them. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

ALL of America should be Holy ground

Taken within context, you are also saying that all of America (AK? HI?) is Ground Zero. Are you a religious extremist?

[billy_56081]

Actually TM there are NO Christian churches in Saudi Arabia. Even being in posession of a bible there is a crime punishable by flogging and jail time. Yes of course the Vatican has discussed the building of a Catholic Church there. The answer is and has always been NO. This is just more of your mixing a little truth within your lies to make them believable. Bhudism was not a force active in Japan during WW2. Again you mix another morsel of truth within youe salad of lies.

I am thinking from the way folks are replying to you that most here are not being fooled by you.

[wreckhog]

Cordoba House is not a mosque. So if you have 2 or more Christians praying in a non church room in SA all regular like, you have the equal.

[powderman]

wreckhog. You aren't yet as good as tm making stoooopid statement and asking stoooopid questions but you're learning fast. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

Rudi is a great man, perhaps the best. yet the Reps picked McCain. Why was that.

Because of Rudi's poor judgement.

[ironglow]

Cordoba House is not a mosque. So if you have 2 or more Christians praying in a non church room in SA all regular like, you have the equal.

  In an obtuse way wreckhog, you are correct (Matthew 18:20)..but don't tell the Muslim fanatics, but let them proceed in their ignorance.
  They wouldn't understand anyway. No matter how you spin it, there is no tolerance for Christianity among the fanatics...just an opportunity to levy extra taxes upon a class of people (dhimmi slavery) and USE them as ants use ant cows.

    You have registered complaints about McCain and Rudi..just as you seem to complain about the many other candidates who believe in free enterprise, individual rights and the constitution. So, we already know who you dislike, but just for we unenlightened; which candidates is it that you DO like? Just give us a list:
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   You need not mention Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi...we take them as a "given"..

[1marty]

I work 1 block from ground zero and 1/2 block from the "mosque". On the same "hollowed ground" is a seedy mens club (with skanky women) and a couple of run down irish pubs. You cannot see the building from the WTC. The building is used by street vendors to store their merchandise and the muslims have held prayer sessions in there for quite some time. Am I opposed to the mosque-yes. Mainly because I believe this Eman is sticking it in our faces and a couple of greedy real estate guys are looking for someone to pay them alot of money for the building. Not all Muslims are terrorists-300 muslims died on 9/11. My dad always told me don't judge someone just because his religeon, color, ethnic origin is different than yours.

[ironglow]

It wasn't the guys or gals from the seedy men's club or the Irish pub customers, who destroyed the twin towers and murdered 3,000 people!

[powderman]

It wasn't the guys or gals from the seedy men's club or the Irish pub customers, who destroyed the twin towers and murdered 3,000 people!

NOPE, it was a group of Godless, subhuman muslim scum. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

My dad always told me don't judge someone just because his religeon, color, ethnic origin is different than yours.

Your Dad was wise in telling you that, but... it won't make a dent with some of our denser, more bigoted forum denizen.

[powderman]

yt. Theres  nothing bigoted about wanting to deny satan another altar, and thats what your mosque is. POWDERMAN.  

[Land_Owner]

Should be renamed "Crapola House"...

[powderman]

LANDOWNER. YEP. Home of the Godless, or satans house, or how about mohameds pleasure house for 9 year old brides?? POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

It sounded just as simplistic and dunderheaded the second time.

[billy_56081]

Poor old yellow. BTW yellow does Ron White know you personally? Or is it just a coincidence?

[bigMikeA]

"bigoted and simplistic and dunderheaded"??  What is your deal dude?  Why cannot you understand that, given the opportunity, these people would behead you in a heartbeat and even video it for all the world to see. You sure seem to get off on coming here and demonstrating your enlightenment or whatever the h*** you think it is that makes you better than Powderman or Billy or me I guess.

"Tolerant", and "enlightened" folks such as yerself will be the end of us"

[jasperg]

This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate statement that I've read on this issue (and I've read a lot of them). I'm  not wild about Newt but sometimes he hits the nail dead on the head.

Historically accurate? Not really, the Caliphate of Cordoba conquered not Christians, but several already Islamic fiefdoms in Andalusia (a region of Spain) providing a politically stable region, a safe haven for various religious leaders and preserving various cultural and Christian artifacts while Europe slipped into the dark ages.

Oh, and there are Christian churches in Saudi-Arabia, I have been to one.

[ironglow]

This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate statement that I've read on this issue (and I've read a lot of them). I'm  not wild about Newt but sometimes he hits the nail dead on the head.

Historically accurate? Not really, the Caliphate of Cordoba conquered not Christians, but several already Islamic fiefdoms in Andalusia (a region of Spain) providing a politically stable region, a safe haven for various religious leaders and preserving various cultural and Christian artifacts while Europe slipped into the dark ages.

Oh, and there are Christian churches in Saudi-Arabia, I have been to one.

   I believe you had best rethink your version of the Cordoba mosque history. The Cordoba mosque was a christian church before the muslims conquered cordoba. The Muslims immediately converted the church to a mosque ; http://witcombe.sbc.edu/sacredplaces/cordoba.html
  When the Christians kicked the Muslims out, it was again put into it's intended use. The fact that the Ishmaelites were feuding among themselves in Spain, is nothing new. God told us in Genesis that the Ishmaelites would be fighting everybody, including each other.

   I see you claim that you have visited a Christian church in Saudi Arabia. Noticing the tenor of your position, I am forced to ask....
        What you were doing in there ? 

[ironglow]

Jasperg;
   It appears the people of Andalusia in their own website, don't see their own history quite in the same way you do;
  http://www.andalucia.com/cities/cordoba/mosque2.htm

[Land_Owner]

Unfortunately, America for Americans as a concept is over.  It started with the first Europeans, continued with the importation of Africans, continues through attrition of Mexicans, and now India and the Middle East are pouring in.  the Chinese own our government "paper".  the Japanese make our imported cars.  The Taiwanese clothe us.  our fruits and veggies come from South America.  I'm sure I'm missing some race or class i have not already pissed off herein.  Oil and water don't mix.  Muslims and everyone else don't mix.  simple really.