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FRENCH TO BAN VEILS IN PUBLIC.
« on: September 14, 2010, 10:03:53 AM »
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Way to go france. If the Godless ones want to hide their identity let em move to iran or the Godless nation of their choice. Wake up U.S.A. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: FRENCH TO BAN VEILS IN PUBLIC.
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 10:49:10 AM »
Way to go france. If the Godless ones want to hide their identity let em move to iran or the Godless nation of their choice. Wake up U.S.A. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes, because nothing screams Freedom like banning specific attire . . .

A government has no place in religion - that's push for OR against.  

PS In doing some quick reading I noticed that in 2004 France already passed a ban on the wearing or display of any overt religious symbols in schools.  Yes, that includes crosses and crucifixes.  Remember - a government that can give you anything you want is powerful enough to take everything away.

France also has some of the worst freedom of speech laws in the world.  It's a crime to use certain non-French words in print (this is in order to "protect the language"), as well as to deny the Holocaust (not that I'm a holocaust denier - quite the opposite - I just feel it absolutely not the government's place to legally prescribe what ANYONE must believe to be true).

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 11:01:18 AM »
All right, sale on veils in France. 90 percent off.

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Re: FRENCH TO BAN VEILS IN PUBLIC.
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 11:03:54 AM »
Islam wants to be a form of government. They want to take over every nation and require everyone to live by their laws that are outlined in their holy book. This is not about rights and freedoms it is about losing all of our rights and freedoms in the US. That is the way I see it anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2010, 11:10:50 AM »
Islam wants to be a form of government. They want to take over every nation and require everyone to live by their laws that are outlined in their holy book. This is not about rights and freedoms it is about losing all of our rights and freedoms in the US. That is the way I see it anyway.

And there's an easy, easy way to keep them from doing that.  Repeat after me folks: "Keep religion out of government and government out of religion!".  In this country the same laws that keep things like this idiotic ban from being passed are the same laws that keep Sharia law off of our books (and the same laws that make idiotic things like the Salem Witch trials a thing of the past once separation of Church and state was complete).

When you mix the two, it's a MESS.  I'll agree totally looking at the middle east.  Sharia law is a disaster.  Those governments and people might as well be living in the dark ages.  The thing to understand though is that when Christianity actually had governmental power it was little better.  The Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials, etc.  Sure, they're long in the past, but that fact remains true specifically because we severed the link between religion and government in this country 221 years ago.

Make no mistake.  I think any influx of Muslims into the country is saddening.  I see a woman wearing a burka and my heart sinks because I know another human being has been convinced that a fairy tale is the truth.  That's irrelevant from the point of government and law though, because any government that can force her to renounce her beliefs can in time also force me to renounce mine, and you to renounce yours, whatever they may be.

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2010, 11:24:42 AM »
I used to work with a woman from the Ivory Coast. Where they cut off the clitoris at puberty. She told me that she was looking forward to it, that it was like getting a period, a passage into adulthood, all her sisters did it, it was her turn next. They moved, she did not do it, she became sexually active, and was thrilled that she did not do it. Anyway my point is, different culture, you have no idea what they want or don't want. You think you do, but you don't. In college, some girls wore floor length veils. It did not seem to restrain them. But how much could I really know.

Jews and just about all of the US practice circumcision, which I think we would agree, costs a man more than a veil has ever cost a woman.

Which brings to mind a joke.

Black kid comes home with $200. His grandma asks if he stole it. He sez no he won it. Grandma asks how. The bar in the white neighborhood was having a biggest (censored word) contest. Grandma looks at him, sez you were not raised to do that, you did not take it out did you? He sez sheepishly, only enough to win grandma. :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2010, 11:34:03 AM »
Jews and just about all of the US practice circumcision, which I think we would agree, costs a man more than a veil has ever cost a woman.

There are actually some groups trying to outlaw infant circumcision as a forced body modification.  Any person who reached an age when they could consent and have it done voluntarily could naturally still have the procedure performed, but it would be the individual's choice. 

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2010, 11:52:10 AM »
So do you think muslim women should be allowed to pose for state issued photo ID's here in the U.S. with nothing but their eyes showing?
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2010, 12:02:53 PM »
So do you think muslim women should be allowed to pose for state issued photo ID's here in the U.S. with nothing but their eyes showing?

That's honestly a difficult question that I don't have an immediate answer for, but I will say - if their customs forbid them from ever being in public without it one - what good is an ID showing their full face?

For the sake of argument, full body photos in the nude would be more useful for identification purposes - you'd be able to identify any obvious birthmarks, tattoo's, etc that a person has.  We don't require this though because it would be offensive to many people's sense of dignity, and the plain truth is that since most people don't run around naked, the usefulness of a full body image is diminished. 

With that in mind, I don't think that you're necessarily going to get anything useful out of the full face photo.  I will say though that any LEO who was checking the ID of any woman NOT wearing the veil shouldn't accept a veiled photo as a valid ID, as any person out in public sans veil obviously isn't adhering to any religious requirements to not wear it, so that wouldn't have been a valid reason for having it on for an ID photo.

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2010, 12:15:46 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2010, 12:27:09 PM »
So do you think muslim women should be allowed to pose for state issued photo ID's here in the U.S. with nothing but their eyes showing?



I believe my Kentucky has a law about covering the face, it was basicly for the KKK. The full outfit worn by these women is a big security risk. There  have been lawsuits over the muzzie veils and drivers licenses. No pic, should be no license. They want to drive, obey the law, don't drive, or move to the Godless nation of their choice. With nothing but the eyes showing it could be male or female, who knows, kinda like a pig in a poke. I'm all for banning the veil in America. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 12:57:08 PM »
So do you think muslim women should be allowed to pose for state issued photo ID's here in the U.S. with nothing but their eyes showing?



I believe my Kentucky has a law about covering the face, it was basicly for the KKK. The full outfit worn by these women is a big security risk. There  have been lawsuits over the muzzie veils and drivers licenses. No pic, should be no license. They want to drive, obey the law, don't drive, or move to the Godless nation of their choice. With nothing but the eyes showing it could be male or female, who knows, kinda like a pig in a poke. I'm all for banning the veil in America. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 12:58:36 PM »
I believe anyone has the right to believe any way they want and practice any religion they want with one exception.  Islam is not just a religion!  It is a Cult, Religion, Way Of Life, Government, with forced adherance by all (not just believers, but anyone else it comes in contact with).  There is no such thing as a moderate muslim.  While many may not be radicals none will condem the radicals.  Therefore they should all be sent back where they came from.  Took Spain a few hundred years the first time, wonder how long it will take this time.  
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2010, 01:28:23 PM »
SOURDOUGH. Good post, I agree.
wreckhog I knew I should have said except for halloween. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2010, 02:07:47 PM »
I believe MGMorden is a Muslim. If not a want to be. He will make some excuse for any thing they do.
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2010, 02:35:45 PM »
And on the same day.......Bomb threats close Eiffel Tower and subway station in Paris....Coincidence? Hissy fit?


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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2010, 03:38:59 PM »
I believe MGMorden is a Muslim. If not a want to be. He will make some excuse for any thing they do.
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No, MGMorden is an atheist.  I view both sides of the religious hissy fit you guys throw with amusement.  I do however support the constitution as the founders laid it out.  That means supporting ALL the amendments, not just the ones that happen to benefit me.  With that comes the first amendment, which guarantees both freedom of speech and religion, as well as the separation of church and state.  To not do that is to basically do the same thing that you guys throw off on the Democrats for: ignoring the constitution when it's convenient.  

This legislation, being French, naturally doesn't have to obey the US Constitution, but the point still stands: if you believe in the ideals of the constitution, then this legislation is unjust.   Simple as that.  Give them this power and as soon as you loose the majority they'll have plenty of precedence for banning Christian regalia, which I'd be equally opposed to. 

FWIW, I'm just as vehemently opposed to FORCING women to wear these too, as that too is government involvement with religion.   Whether you're forcing the wearing or banning the wearing, that's the government putting it's nose in areas where it shouldn't be.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2010, 04:20:46 PM »
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This legislation, being French, naturally doesn't have to obey the US Constitution, but the point still stands: if you believe in the ideals of the constitution, then this legislation is unjust.


Muslim riots, Muslim car burnings, what kind of constitution would allow their citizens to be burned out and taken over by religious nuts?

Ya, it's pretty much a civil war there, your looking at the same thing here if ya want to pander to them enough. Then what you going do when they set your car on fire or riot in your neighborhood? Going to worry about their rights then?

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if you believe in the ideals of the constitution, then this legislation is unjust.


Our federal government does not give a hoot about any ideals....if they did they would enforce article 4 section 4 of the constitution and close up the states borders to stop invaders.

France is deep doo-doo for letting a bunch of people come in their country. We are having the same problem, just wait it will get much worse. Got nothing to do with the damn constitution.  Nothing does anymore. Our entire county is falling apart because of laws NOT being followed, not because everyone needs a whole bunch of rights that came here because we don't have the gonads to enforce anything.

Now I really don't care much for France or what they do, but I would suppose they will be asking us to come and save them when their whole place gets turned upside down someday and they get taken over..again.  I have a feeling we'll be busy here about that time.
 


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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2010, 04:23:15 PM »
50% of all babies born in France are Muslim. The figure could be slighly lower or higher, and it is the same in Italy. Too little too late.
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 04:52:46 PM »
MGMorden we already have a law here against wearing a mask, it was passed so the KKK could not wear their hood. I am sure you are ok with that as long as they don't enforce it on the Muslims.
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   But the Christian guys don't want to kill or convert me like the Muslims do.
   The Muslims will kill us or we will kill them. There is no middle ground. Right now with the help of people like you they are winning!
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 05:00:08 PM »
Wreck I am thinking there is a hole in your story. What and where were you working with a woman who had not reached puberty?
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 05:10:50 PM »
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But the Christian guys don't want to kill or convert me like the Muslims do.
   The Muslims will kill us or we will kill them. There is no middle ground. Right now with the help of people like you they are winning!
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BEERBELLY. All true. I certainly don't want to kill you but I might plant a seed and water it every chance I get.  ;D ;D. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 05:12:25 PM »
Wreck I am thinking there is a hole in your story. What and where were you working with a woman who had not reached puberty?
She had reached puberty. Started there as an accounting intern and got hired out of college. I submitted my expense reports to her boss and she fast tracked payment for me. She was a very well educated and well spoken African. Fairly hot too as she moonlighted as a personal trainer. I suppose that her family came here around when she was hitting puberty. No idea why she told me what she did regarding her earlier life. We never had anything going on, though I suspect all it would have taken was a nod from me.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2010, 05:26:30 PM »
MGMorden we already have a law here against wearing a mask, it was passed so the KKK could not wear their hood. I am sure you are ok with that as long as they don't enforce it on the Muslims.

No, I'm against any such laws (despite being vehemently against racism - I think the KKK is one of the saddest or most distasteful organizations in our history, but I still support their right to exist as long as it's peaceful and they're not attacking people).  Honestly, I don't get where you're thinking I have some double standard or some secret spooky agenda.  I have a very simple set of values which is very oriented on personal freedoms.   I'm against racism, I'm against affirmative action, I'm against any government law restricting anyone's freedom do to any action that doesn't directly harm another, I'm against any government involvement (for or against) religion.  This isn't a complex position, and it's not one that's unknown.  It's pretty much exactly aligned with the position of the Libertarian party (which I've said countless times that I support).

I suppose it's easier to try and paint me as some spooky Muslim sympathizer though, as obviously anyone who doesn't want a particular group tarred and feathered MUST be a part of that group.  You see it from the weak-minded every day. Anybody who doesn't think gays should be drawn and quartered MUST be gay.  Anyone who doesn't think every Muslim should be shot and/or run out of the country MUST be muslim.  Anyone who doesn't drink the Republican kool-aid MUST be a Democrat.  The real world doesn't work that way.

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2010, 05:40:16 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2010, 06:00:43 PM »
I suppose it's easier to try and paint me as some spooky Muslim sympathizer though, as obviously anyone who doesn't want a particular group tarred and feathered MUST be a part of that group.  You see it from the weak-minded every day.
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2010, 01:44:40 AM »
Well looky ther, even you smort fellers dont agree  We shor is happie ya'll be hear to keep it strate .......

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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2010, 02:19:16 AM »
 if a man walks in a store with a mssk on he might be looking dn the barrel of a gun ,pronto..
 so what makes it different for women..jmo

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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2010, 02:49:37 AM »

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There are actually some groups trying to outlaw infant circumcision as a forced body modification. ..............

Details are at http://www.mgmbill.org/
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Been of that opinion myself for many years.
BTW Circumcision by non-religious groups have diminished for some time now.
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2010, 03:10:38 AM »
Dukk....actually that wouldn't be 'average' intellect...that would be 'median' intellect half below-half above. Probably the majority of Americans would be below average intellect..... ;)


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Well, if you really want to get into the nitty gritty, median IS an average.  It's a type of average.  The "mean" is another type of average and what most people are referring to when they simply state "average", but from a mathematical point a view, the mean, median, and mode are all "averages".