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Re: FRENCH TO BAN VEILS IN PUBLIC.
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2010, 04:47:56 AM »
I know you progressive liberals are much smarter than the rest of us. You tell us so all the time! You have one problem, as yet you can't tell us what to think. With the help of Obama I am sure you will change that if we let you!
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2010, 04:48:23 AM »
Getting back to the original subject... sort of.  Seems the Frogs.. ah, I mean French have been growing some gonads in resent months.

They are offering a one way ticket back home to the Romina gypsies that have invaded France.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11020429
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2010, 05:48:06 AM »
HEH. There is hope for the world. The french banning veils and kicking out undesireables and the Aussies telling the muzzies to obey their laws and adapt or GET OUT. Wake up world. I love it.POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2010, 07:04:03 AM »
I know you progressive liberals are much smarter than the rest of us. You tell us so all the time! You have one problem, as yet you can't tell us what to think. With the help of Obama I am sure you will change that if we let you!
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And he's right back to same thing.  Now obviously we're "progressive liberals".  Is your only debate tactic to create two sides - an evil and a good - and declare that anyone who doesn't agree with you is on the "evil" side?

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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2010, 08:28:14 AM »
mgmorden. Basicly there ARE only 2 sides, good or evil, right or wrong, then theres also another choice, Heaven, or hell. Thats why we must choose wisely. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2010, 08:31:59 AM »
 The gooberment pulled the mask of the Lone Ranger, but its okay for the practitioners of the worlds religion of peace to remain annonymous?  Good for France! Nothing wrong with a nation preserving its culture.

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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2010, 08:41:55 AM »
The Lord placed two types of people on this, His only planet that matters: (1) Those who critically analyze and evaluate all available information, making decisions, including those involving their belief systems, based on thought, facts and reason; and (2) Folks who have been blessedly spared such tedium.
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2010, 09:17:10 AM »
We need only to look to France to see what will happen here in the U.S. if we keep bending over backwards to accomodate muslims. It is not a question of if it will happen, it is only a question of when. In just about every muslim dominated country on the planet living conditions are deplorable. I doubt it is a coincidence. We can keep saying it cant and wont happen here but it will.

You can argue the fact all day long that it isnt, but Islam is more than a religion it is a system of government.

So are choices are: Learn from what has happened in France Keep them in check now. They are free to practice their religion and that is it.

Or we can bury our heads in the sand and wait until it is too late to do something.

I myself have no use for ANY organized religion , but Islam is a violent and barbaric cult that has no place in a civilized society.
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2010, 09:21:26 AM »
mgmorden. Basicly there ARE only 2 sides, good or evil, right or wrong, then theres also another choice, Heaven, or hell. Thats why we must choose wisely. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's the thing, there aren't.  Ask any question outside of the simplest things and there are a myriad of positions available.

If I ask you "Should the mentally insane be allowed to own guns?".

The simple minded would say that anybody who said no is "obviously for gun control - the dirty liberal!!!!".  A person who actually THINKS about the question though realizes that it's not that simple.  There are multiple factors at work.

By the same token, every body who doesn't yell "Yee-haw lets run dem muzzies oughta here!!!!!" isn't a muslim, nor are they "liberal progressives".

You're looking for simple boxes to put people into, where there's a good side, and then the "left wing democratic liberal progressive muslim gay communists".  The world isn't that simple.  Just because someone supports a government that doesn't involve itself with religion doesn't mean they're favoring a religion - it means that hands off religion means hands off religion.

Example: Lets say that you hold it as an obvious fact that a man should never hit a woman.  

Now, for the kinda, obedient, simple housewife from your average 50's sitcom, that's easy.  There doesn't even need to be a rule for that case.

But what if doesn't cook you dinner?
What if she cheats on you?
What if you cheats on you with your brother WHILE cooking him dinner and kicks your dog and sends you the video tape?  

Is it THEN ok to hit her?  If you still believe that a man should never hit a woman, then no, it's not.  Despite her being obviously a despicable person, the rule still stands.

Freedom of speech and religion is the same way.  If all we were doing was slapping each other on the ass and proclaiming how awesome we all were than there wouldn't even need to be an amendment, as no one would ever care.  That amendment is there to protect all the UNPOPULAR stuff that people might say, do, or worship.

As I've said many times before, for any of us to be truly free, the first thing you have to do is accept that people all over the country are constantly doing things that YOU DON'T LIKE.

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2010, 09:50:20 AM »
GMorden, were you borne and raised in Carolina or are you one of those transplants that left a sewer up north and are now trying to turn your new home into the same sewer you fled.
   I spent a lot of time up there when I was in the Marine Corps. I met a lot of good folk there, but never one that thinks like you.
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2010, 10:04:57 AM »
GMorden, were you borne and raised in Carolina or are you one of those transplants that left a sewer up north and are now trying to turn your new home into the same sewer you fled.
   I spent a lot of time up there when I was in the Marine Corps. I met a lot of good folk there, but never one that thinks like you.
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I was born in the Low Country and have never lived outside of SC.  Matter of fact I've never been farther north than Raleigh and never farther west than Atlanta. 

Interesting that you're immediately trying to go right back to drawing a line to fit people into boxes though.  Just as with every topic we've touched on, in the real world the social dynamic is a little more complex than "Southerner" and "Yankee".

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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2010, 10:10:56 AM »
You are absolutely right, we have always had scallywags!
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2010, 10:12:55 AM »
This was a reply from my uncle on facebook but he won't mind me using it. I like his way of thinking!!

This doesn't have anything to do with the constitution or first amendment. This has to do with the domination of the world by Islam period. Do you think you can build a church in Saudi Arabia? Do you think you can carry a bible in Saudi? ...Ask our soldiers who were deployed there to protect the Muslims if they could even wear a cross necklace. Can Christians or Jews enter the temple mound in Jerusalem that is controlled by these so called religious tolerant Muslims?? Wake up people this is about destroying our way of life by using our laws and constitution against us. Our country was founded on judeo Christian values out of the bible NOT out of the Koran. If they want to practice Islam and sharia law....then get out of this country and go home to your own. And people with an attitude that this is alright need to go with them.

we were actually talking about the mosque at ground zero but it is a good reply.
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2010, 10:17:44 AM »
This was a reply from my uncle on facebook but he won't mind me using it. I like his way of thinking!!

This doesn't have anything to do with the constitution or first amendment. This has to do with the domination of the world by Islam period. Do you think you can build a church in Saudi Arabia? Do you think you can carry a bible in Saudi? ...Ask our soldiers who were deployed there to protect the Muslims if they could even wear a cross necklace. Can Christians or Jews enter the temple mound in Jerusalem that is controlled by these so called religious tolerant Muslims?? Wake up people this is about destroying our way of life by using our laws and constitution against us. Our country was founded on judeo Christian values out of the bible NOT out of the Koran. If they want to practice Islam and sharia law....then get out of this country and go home to your own. And people with an attitude that this is alright need to go with them.
You realize all those places you just mentioned are not free?  No, you probably couldn't build a church in Saudi, but this isn't Saudi, and our Constitutional protections have no value there.  This country was founded on freedom, basic human freedoms have no value there, you see why those examples are useless?  It scares me like none other that so many of you would throw away the first amendment because you don't like what someone is saying...  Maybe you are all right, and we will end up like Saudi, but I can promise you it will not be because some of stand by our freedoms, good times and bad, it will be because some of you don't.

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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2010, 10:37:10 AM »
You ever think if they wanted freedom bad enough they could stand up and get it in their own country?? They won't do it because they don't want it. The point is they are not here for freedom but are here to use our freedoms against us.  Islam is way more than just a religion.
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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2010, 10:37:19 AM »
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This doesn't have anything to do with the constitution or first amendment. This has to do with the domination of the world by Islam period. Do you think you can build a church in Saudi Arabia? Do you think you can carry a bible in Saudi? ...Ask our soldiers who were deployed there to protect the Muslims if they could even wear a cross necklace. Can Christians or Jews enter the temple mound in Jerusalem that is controlled by these so called religious tolerant Muslims?? Wake up people this is about destroying our way of life by using our laws and constitution against us. Our country was founded on judeo Christian values out of the bible NOT out of the Koran. If they want to practice Islam and sharia law....then get out of this country and go home to your own. And people with an attitude that this is alright need to go with them.



YEP, well said and true. Wearing a veil and hiding ones identity has NOTHING to do with free speech, only a lib or lawyer would see it that way. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2010, 01:30:50 PM »
The problem is not just the muzzies but also the stupid idiots who cannot see islam as the evil it is. Islam is not a tolerant religion. It is an all encompassing cult. The idiots who keep defending islam as freedom of religion are to blinded by "tolerance" to see that islam is using this as a way to quietly invade our country. Mark my word, when the numbers of muslims reaches a high enough they will strike for control. This cult they call islam is a cancer on thid world. If I had it within my power I would push the button and burn this cancer from humanity. I know right from wrong and there is no gray area in the middle to me.

The panty wetters in the world are what has caused Americas downfall. Same bunch that sends soldiers to war but then doesn't want to hear what we did there.
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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2010, 01:35:58 PM »
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The panty wetters in the world are what has caused Americas downfall. Same bunch that sends soldiers to war but then doesn't want to hear what we did there.


BILLY. Or allow our soldiers to win. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2010, 01:39:13 PM »
This was a reply from my uncle on facebook but he won't mind me using it. I like his way of thinking!!

This doesn't have anything to do with the constitution or first amendment. This has to do with the domination of the world by Islam period. Do you think you can build a church in Saudi Arabia? Do you think you can carry a bible in Saudi? ...Ask our soldiers who were deployed there to protect the Muslims if they could even wear a cross necklace. Can Christians or Jews enter the temple mound in Jerusalem that is controlled by these so called religious tolerant Muslims?? Wake up people this is about destroying our way of life by using our laws and constitution against us. Our country was founded on judeo Christian values out of the bible NOT out of the Koran. If they want to practice Islam and sharia law....then get out of this country and go home to your own. And people with an attitude that this is alright need to go with them.
You realize all those places you just mentioned are not free?  No, you probably couldn't build a church in Saudi, but this isn't Saudi, and our Constitutional protections have no value there.  This country was founded on freedom, basic human freedoms have no value there, you see why those examples are useless?  It scares me like none other that so many of you would throw away the first amendment because you don't like what someone is saying...  Maybe you are all right, and we will end up like Saudi, but I can promise you it will not be because some of stand by our freedoms, good times and bad, it will be because some of you don't.

What scares me is liberal lawyers are considered intelligent, and placed in positions of power because folks think practicing law  ::), means means honestly enforcing it's letter, and spirit ::), when it really means distorting it. Your post earlier on the "intelligence" of the United States where most are not intelligent? Who gets to decide whom is, and whom isn't intelligent? I have met many that THOUGHT they were intelligent, but were merely "educated BEYOND their intelligence".

Your way of thinking is much like the other liberals. The wolf is just trying to be a wolf. Never mind that he's killing your sheep. He has the right, because that's what wolves do.

There is an old Indian analogy of folks FORGETTING the lessons of life. It goes: If you catch a wolf and put it in a cage, it will try to escape every chance it gets. But if that wolf has pups in the cage. The pups will never try to escape.
 
I personally want out of this damn cage. You on the other hand are trying to keep the door shut.

dukx, as much as I try to see your point of view, your law degree, and your feeling of mental superiority continues to block my view of the man. You as most lawyers, will sell your freedom, and ours, to an obvious thief whom is stealing it as you watch, but don't seem to see,  and all the while, tell those whom do see, that they are ignorantly blind.

By the way okieshooter. It would seem to me that your uncle has actually read the Bible, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and has chosen to accept them for what they says, rather than distort them. Which are (distorting them) a lawyers "stock and trade".
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« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2010, 04:30:08 PM »
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Our country was founded on judeo Christian values out of the bible NOT out of the Koran.

And Oldshooter hits the root of the problem. All our laws were based on judeo Christian values and even some commandments. So the muslims can't fit in from the get go, THEY know all our laws are based on judeo Christian values as well. So they come here and what would be the first thing you would expect from them?  I would say based on their religion they best fight our laws or disregard as many as possible, I mean they know where they came from.  

Some would say America is for everyone...false statement. Its not for everyone, might as well get that out in the open right now. Unless your willing to come here legal and swear to follow our laws and learn them and fit in with them...it's not for you. That's not asking much either, worship who and what you want or nobody, long as you follow the laws. Now a fancy educated lefty would try to make that sound real bad, but it's not bad really, it's just right.

There is no easy way they could fit in here, any more than Israel could live with hamas/Palistinians....it just does not fit due to the nature of the differences and the goals. These kinds of things have been causing wars for thousands of years. You know very well what the answer really is...but it's not politically correct to say it.  So I won't.






  

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« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2010, 05:43:13 PM »
dukx, as much as I try to see your point of view, your law degree, and your feeling of mental superiority continues to block my view of the man. You as most lawyers, will sell your freedom, and ours, to an obvious thief whom is stealing it as you watch, but don't seem to see,  and all the while, tell those whom do see, that they are ignorantly blind.



Boy if that aint the truth, well said Dee. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2010, 10:06:40 AM »
mgmorden. Basicly there ARE only 2 sides, good or evil, right or wrong...

Simplistic, Uninformed, Obtuse, and just plain wrong.


The Lord placed two types of people on this, His only planet that matters: (1) Those who critically analyze and evaluate all available information, making decisions, including those involving their belief systems, based on thought, facts and reason; and (2) Folks who have been blessedly spared such tedium.

Excellent, and timely...

Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2010, 12:22:18 PM »

This doesn't have anything to do with the constitution or first amendment. This has to do with the domination of the world by Islam period. Do you think you can build a church in Saudi Arabia? Do you think you can carry a bible in Saudi? ...Ask our soldiers who were deployed there to protect the Muslims if they could even wear a cross necklace. Can Christians or Jews enter the temple mound in Jerusalem that is controlled by these so called religious tolerant Muslims?? Wake up people this is about destroying our way of life by using our laws and constitution against us. Our country was founded on judeo Christian values out of the bible NOT out of the Koran. If they want to practice Islam and sharia law....then get out of this country and go home to your own. And people with an attitude that this is alright need to go with them.
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You realize all those places you just mentioned are not free?  No, you probably couldn't build a church in Saudi, but this isn't Saudi, and our Constitutional protections have no value there.  This country was founded on freedom, basic human freedoms have no value there, you see why those examples are useless?  It scares me like none other that so many of you would throw away the first amendment because you don't like what someone is saying...  Maybe you are all right, and we will end up like Saudi, but I can promise you it will not be because some of stand by our freedoms, good times and bad, it will be because some of you don't.
[/quote]ALOT of us stand by our freedoms! We ARE ignored when we write our representatives. Our reps who have found it is far easier to leave their professions, take bribe money from lobbyist, and sell the rest of us down the river! Our reps that squat on our Constitution and make phoney unconstitutional laws that are enforced by corrupt courts. The courts will stand by the theft of large amounts of money from citizens. The courts WILL NOT notify Jurors of their RIGHTS to exercise Jury Nullification! Our courts are every bit as part of the problem as our corrupt government. The attorneys will not notify jurors of their rights because they will be blackballed and fined. Our reps mostly come from the corrupt ranks of the so called legal system. BRAVO SIERRA! OUR RIGHTS are being stripped from us incrementally by those corrupt pricks in office and short of revolution there will be nothing we can do about it.

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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2010, 02:24:16 PM »
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This doesn't have anything to do with the constitution or first amendment. This has to do with the domination of the world by Islam period.



PAT/RICK. BINGO, you got it. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2010, 04:41:23 PM »
Pat/Rick at least you get it, kinda funny how some folks who are seemingly well educated cannot figure that out. Well like old Ron WHite says "you can't fix stupid".
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: FRENCH TO BAN VEILS IN PUBLIC.
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2010, 05:36:29 PM »
BILLY. Some of the dumbest folks I've ever met were college educated, kinda leads me to believe that well educated doesn't necessarilly mean intelligent and smart. Hmmmm. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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