Author Topic: GOP vs Tea Party (Read 4425 times)

nw_hunter · « **Reply #30 on:** September 16, 2010, 06:21:22 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 16, 2010, 06:09:10 AM

The Tea Party will ensure that Democrats remain in office by confusing those who don't realize what's at issue here.

I like GWB....

Hallelujah! I have been informed! I'm no longer cornfuzed! I now realize people who believe as I do, are responsible for those Democrats winning elections. My eye's are open now!

Swampman · « **Reply #31 on:** September 16, 2010, 06:28:05 AM »

Yep, people who believe as you do vote for Ron Pauls and Ross Perots.

jimster · « **Reply #32 on:** September 16, 2010, 06:46:39 AM »

The Democrats will remain in office until the republicans can prove they are worthy to take over and reverse things or defund things with no apologies, except to the conservatives they left hanging in the wind. They owe them an apology. According to the numbers, independents can win elections, there are a bunch of them. Neither party will likely win without the independent vote.

I'm not really confused by the tea party at all, they seems to be full of ex dems, ex reps, and independents, it appears as if some recent voting shows the tea party don't give a hoot about what the republicans want either, or anyone else for that matter. Now I see the republicans changing their tune as fast as they lose elections with "their" hand picked person to a tea party person, some of them seem to be scratchin yet and not gettin it and changin as they go. They will either get it, or stay losers, I think I can wait them all out as long as it takes. Sooner or later, the republican party will either get on board or be taken out forever.

It wasn't dems that voted repubicans out of power, guess who did that? There is a good clue to what conservatives can do if they want to.
Way I look at it, republicans can put up with Nancy Polosi until they do what I/we want them to do. I got plenty of time to wait for people attached to a party to break away and re-think things.

GWB signed bad legislation from democrats (in power) and worthless republican moderates, same as a democrat would have....what's the diff? All worked out the same.

Swampman · « **Reply #33 on:** September 16, 2010, 07:05:15 AM »

What I said....

wreckhog · « **Reply #34 on:** September 16, 2010, 07:39:52 AM »

I sense that as the TP goes legit, that it will attract rich DINOs and RINOs. People that have more loyalty to their own success than to a payoff from either party. Paladino came out spending his own money and won.

dukkillr · « **Reply #35 on:** September 16, 2010, 08:01:59 AM »

I heard this on the way to work this morning... The head of the Waco Tea Party vs a spokesperson for the American Family Association. No question there is some tension between those who want less government in general and those who want the government to enforce their religious beliefs.

Good interview and two well spoken representatives of their respective agendas...

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=129901232&m=129886988

Oldshooter · « **Reply #36 on:** September 16, 2010, 08:37:10 AM »

My hope is that the TP stay with fiscal conservatism and stay away from social conservatism. Although that will be a Dem wail when the nut cutting starts," they are gonna try and make you all Christians". You can't legislate morality any way. those that will be morally corrupt are gonna be even if they carry a bible every Sunday.

Is it me or are there any Dem politicians jumping and running on the TP platform. Hmmm!

Here is to hoping that the Repubnics don't shoot them selves in the foot........again.

and that the TP don't run as third party candidates.

FourBee · « **Reply #37 on:** September 16, 2010, 09:33:21 AM »

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wreckhog ~ I sense that as the TP goes legit, that it will attract rich DINOs and RINOs.

That's happen'n now, and they're passing the word to their rich relatives and acquaintances.

ironglow · « **Reply #38 on:** September 16, 2010, 11:51:48 AM »

Ducky;
I of course, listened to most of the interview you posted and found no problem. Do you believe that everyone in the Tea Party should have only 2 or 3 issue person? Yes some are concerned with the founder's values, some are concerned with gun rights, some want to preserve the definition of marriage and some want to see the Constitution strictly upheld.
Let's look at one of the major parties..the Democrats are even more monolithic in their efforts to revise the history of our founders, do away with gun rights and have for years been driving the pro-homosexual agenda, say nothing about their efforts , especially in the last couple years, to trash the Constitution.
Your fears of an effort to establish a theocracy are completely unfounded and irrational. If anything, the Democrats especially, have spent much effort to construct a completely secular, anti God state, unlike what our founders envisioned.
The Tea Party is made up of individuals, but don't try to fault the party because they are not nearly as monolithic for instance, as the Democrats.
Right now, the major party which wants to get rid of their "old boy" network, reduce taxes and government and uphold the Constitution, stands a good chance of attracting Tea Party votes. let's see if either major party is smart enough to "get it".

nw_hunter · « **Reply #39 on:** September 16, 2010, 12:45:36 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 16, 2010, 11:51:48 AM

Ducky;
I of course, listened to most of the interview you posted and found no problem. Do you believe that everyone in the Tea Party should have only 2 or 3 issue person? Yes some are concerned with the founder's values, some are concerned with gun rights, some want to preserve the definition of marriage and some want to see the Constitution strictly upheld.
Let's look at one of the major parties..the Democrats are even more monolithic in their efforts to revise the history of our founders, do away with gun rights and have for years been driving the pro-homosexual agenda, say nothing about their efforts , especially in the last couple years, to trash the Constitution.
Your fears of an effort to establish a theocracy are completely unfounded and irrational. If anything, the Democrats especially, have spent much effort to construct a completely secular, anti God state, unlike what our founders envisioned.
The Tea Party is made up of individuals, but don't try to fault the party because they are not nearly as monolithic for instance, as the Democrats.
Right now, the major party which wants to get rid of their "old boy" network, reduce taxes and government and uphold the Constitution, stands a good chance of attracting Tea Party votes. let's see if either major party is smart enough to "get it".

(Let's look at one of the major parties..the Democrats are even more monolithic in their efforts to revise the history of our founders, do away with gun rights and have for years been driving the pro-homosexual agenda, say nothing about their efforts , especially in the last couple years, to trash the Constitution.)
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Actually both parties at the state and Federal level have been driving the Homo agenda, and doing a great job of trashing the Constitution! The Democrats are more openly about it, but both are doing it.

Getting a few T party type people elected to the Republican party is not going to change the way of thinking of the New world order, Newt G. type of Republicans.

Only a new party, made up of people from both parties, and Independents will make a difference.
I don't see this happening in our lifetime. JMOP!

FourBee · « **Reply #40 on:** September 16, 2010, 04:55:58 PM »

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by: nw_hunter Actually both parties at the state and Federal level have been driving the Homo agenda, and doing a great job of trashing the Constitution! The Democrats are more openly about it, but both are doing it.

That's the way I've been seeing it for years.

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Only a new party, made up of people from both parties, and Independents will make a difference.

The hope and prayer of many American today.

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I don't see this happening in our lifetime. JMOP!

In the normal realm of change I agree again, but from the things this nation has already gone through, and the unknown we're facing in the near future may be far from the, the normal.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2010, 01:25:33 AM »

NW hunter, Fourbee;
  Do you not see the tea Party as the answer you are looking for ? They are not a "party" per se, but do stand to wield great influence.
The Tea Party is bringing one and hopefully both, major parties to the realization that the people should be heard. It is truly a "grass roots" movement; rooting itself in the people such as you and I who are tired of the two majors , who just can't hear..and if they do; just "don't get it".
  To say you don't see an independant party arising, think...it may just be before your eyes and you "don't see the forest for the trees".

  Have you attended a rally and talked with the people? Take another look at the Tea Party, it may be just what you have been looking for.
   In any case, it has to be better than the 2 majors !

Oldshooter · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2010, 05:15:34 AM »

What a lot of people are missing about the election in Maryland is that usually the turn out is about 10,000 voters for this one it was 60,000. That is huge, and its due to the fact that people are up and and aware and want to do something .

We dont need a third party we just need to fill the conservative party with people that will get out and VOTE and with candidates that will vote conservative. The Tea Party seems to be doing that. This wont happen overnight but it needs to happen if we are going to save the country that our Fathers gave us!

The Tea Party is NOT a third party it needs to be the party that injects new life into the Republican Party.

ironglow · « **Reply #43 on:** September 17, 2010, 05:22:07 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on September 17, 2010, 05:15:34 AM

What a lot of people are missing about the election in Maryland is that usually the turn out is about 10,000 voters for this one it was 60,000. That is huge, and its due to the fact that people are up and and aware and want to do something .

We dont need a third party we just need to fill the conservative party with people that will get out and VOTE and with candidates that will vote conservative. The Tea Party seems to be doing that. This wont happen overnight but it needs to happen if we are going to save the country that our Fathers gave us!

The Tea Party is NOT a third party it needs to be the party that injects new life into the Republican Party.

Exactly, Oldshooter..The Tea Party really doesn't want to be a "party" in the conventional sense, but rather wants to be a 'conscience' for the other parties...drawing them toward doing what is right.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #44 on:** September 17, 2010, 05:45:48 AM »

The only "Two Party" system in America, of which I am familiar, is Friday Night and Saturday Night. If Independents can find a suitable candidate and get them elected, and I think the Grassroots is winning We the People in this election cycle, then the RNC and DNC Washington Rascals entrenched in the "way we have always done it" should get their boots laced and be ready to hit the highway.

Still, it is the BUREAUCRACY THAT REMAINS following any election that has to be overcome. All of the other rascals entrenched in Washington in cushy support jobs that write legislation and push their agendas, these are the ones we can never touch that have to be transformed. The elected official is only the mouthpiece.

FourBee · « **Reply #45 on:** September 17, 2010, 05:54:19 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 17, 2010, 01:25:33 AM

NW hunter, Fourbee;
  Do you not see the tea Party as the answer you are looking for ? They are not a "party" per se, but do stand to wield great influence.
The Tea Party is bringing one and hopefully both, major parties to the realization that the people should be heard. It is truly a "grass roots" movement; rooting itself in the people such as you and I who are tired of the two majors , who just can't hear..and if they do; just "don't get it".
  To say you don't see an independant party arising, think...it may just be before your eyes and you "don't see the forest for the trees".

  Have you attended a rally and talked with the people? Take another look at the Tea Party, it may be just what you have been looking for.
   In any case, it has to be better than the 2 majors !

ironglow, I definitely see it. That's why I used the word (but) as indicating a contrast from the normal flow of business as usual. The Tea Party agenda is the strongest political movement in this generation to say the least, and it's creating a snowballing impact like this country has never seen.

Range Rider · « **Reply #46 on:** September 17, 2010, 06:11:43 AM »

I hope you fellows are right on the Tea Party. I recall the Jesse Ventura, Ross Perot folks got a lot of liberals back in office. I don't understand the attacks on the GOP being a plus. I thought the idea was to dislodge the Democrats. Of course I never understood why a wounded rattlesnake would bite its self. Oh, maybe it just died a little faster. Anyway it takes the pressure off the enemy.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #47 on:** September 17, 2010, 11:05:25 AM »

Quote from: Range Rider on September 17, 2010, 06:11:43 AM

I hope you fellows are right on the Tea Party. I recall the Jesse Ventura, Ross Perot folks got a lot of liberals back in office. I don't understand the attacks on the GOP being a plus. I thought the idea was to dislodge the Democrats. Of course I never understood why a wounded rattlesnake would bite its self. Oh, maybe it just died a little faster. Anyway it takes the pressure off the enemy.

You see a difference between Liberal Demo's and Liberal Reps?

Your looking at this as a Democrat vs Republican thing. To me it's not about dislodging Democrats, but dislodging Liberals. Why do you think the RNC is backing Liberal (Moderate) candidates over constitutionalists?

They win with them, even if they lose the election.A liberal is elected either way. McCain vs Obama.Both Liberals.

You blame people like Perot,Ventura and R Paul for electing liberals............I blame Republican voters for voting for Liberal Candidates like McCain.

Range Rider · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2010, 07:59:32 AM »

Who are these "Constitionlist",? Can you give me a list? I don't mean these so called patriots like Palin who charges $100,000 a speech to bring the truth or who signs on a cable program for million bucks. Most of these patriots have never been in arms for the country. I don't think our orginal patroits had much in common with any of these so called modern day saviors. Can you see Nathan Hale saying I only regret that I got only a $100,000 dollars for my service to the nation.

RR

nw_hunter · « **Reply #49 on:** September 18, 2010, 11:11:31 AM »

Quote from: Range Rider on September 18, 2010, 07:59:32 AM

Who are these "Constitionlist",? Can you give me a list? I don't mean these so called patriots like Palin who charges $100,000 a speech to bring the truth or who signs on a cable program for million bucks. Most of these patriots have never been in arms for the country. I don't think our orginal patroits had much in common with any of these so called modern day saviors. Can you see Nathan Hale saying I only regret that I got only a $100,000 dollars for my service to the nation.

RR

I don't consider Palin anything, and I don't consider a patriotic politician a savior. imo, there is only one savior.

There are some Constitutionalists in public office, and some who would run. We had a chance to support one in the last Republican primary, but chose instead a Liberal to represent it.

I voted for a patriot in the general election. He represented the Constitution party. "Chuck Baldwin"
Several other names come to mind, who "I think" would be good choices.........Pat Buchanan, Bob Barr, Tom Tancredo, Alan Keyes......."The Gov. of Arizona" Just about anyone out of the beltway would be better choices than the scum in DC.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #50 on:** September 18, 2010, 11:20:23 AM »

Quote from: Range Rider on September 18, 2010, 07:59:32 AM

Who are these "Constitionlist",?

Ah, to me... Libertarians (or libertarians).

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Can you give me a list? I don't mean these so called patriots like Palin who charges $100,000 a speech to bring the truth or who signs on a cable program for million bucks.

So, you want some Constitutionalists... who aren't in demand? Who aren't on a Speaker's List somewhere?

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Most of these patriots have never been in arms for the country.

as one who was 'in arms for the country', I gotta say... that ain't a criteria for leadership. Good pension, though, it you stayed 20 or 30.

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I don't think our orginal patroits had much in common with any of these so called modern day saviors.

'So called'? By whom? Who called them saviors, other than you?

ironglow · « **Reply #51 on:** September 18, 2010, 03:52:35 PM »

Rangerideer asks; "Who are these Constitutionalists..can you give me a list"? I'll do better than that; I'll give you a picture of a small percentage of them..The 9/12 rally in Washington DC..same basic folks as in the Tea Party

ironglow · « **Reply #52 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:07:17 PM »

More Constitutionalists..the Tea Party in Atlanta...

ironglow · « **Reply #53 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:19:15 PM »

More Constitutionalists..at the San diego and Alamo Tea Parties...

ironglow · « **Reply #54 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:26:37 PM »

...And more Constitutionalists..the Faith & Freedom rally in DC, sponsored by Sean Hannity..
the gropups i have shown in these past few posts, plus millions of other people would be contented, were the federal govt to live upo the our Constitution in it's original intent...

Oldshooter · « **Reply #55 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:32:07 PM »

Will ya just look at all those racist right wing extremist! They just dont like the fact that obama is a black man!

Did ya hear about the left wing extremist that sent a congressman a threatening letter after watching MSNBC! Seems the left has been infiltrated by extremist.

"I" am the TEA Party!

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #56 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:34:47 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on September 18, 2010, 04:32:07 PM

Will ya just look at all those racist right wing extremist! They just dont like the fact that obama is a black man!

actually, there does seem to be a bit of that around... I've noted that many of my right-wing gun-nut pals (I'm one of them) have been just as vitrolic in their condemnation/apparent hatred of Obama, as the left-wingnuts at DailyKos were of President Bush. Looks like the extremes are... kind of alike, in some ways

Oldshooter · « **Reply #57 on:** September 18, 2010, 04:58:37 PM »

"vitrolic" Did ya mean vitriolic?

Look.......people may not like obama because of what he is doing to their country.

If you cant see the difference, I can't help you! I dont remember Bush taking over health care, spending trillions on nothing, Stopping Oil drilling to punish Gulf states that didn't vote for him. Fighting a State that only wants to protect its borders. and supporting only labor unions that support his agendas. I think these and other things support a little vitriol ......ya think?

ironglow · « **Reply #58 on:** September 18, 2010, 05:01:34 PM »

  My friends in the Tea Party and the hunting fraternity, both have no problem with Obama because of race, but because of his obvious socialist/Marxist views and the fact that he is trying to force those views upon freedom loving Americans, such as ourselves.
  These same people have no quarrel with Justice Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams or hundreds of other black people of national stature.
  As has been pointed out here frequently..When a liberal tries to debate with FACTS and loses (with facts, they always do)..then they commence launching into name-calling..starting with the all too familiar.. "racist"..

   As Mitt Romney said today..we are fighting terrorists all around the world..but the only 'Rouge State' Obama recognizes, is the state of Arizona..

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 18, 2010, 05:18:44 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 18, 2010, 05:01:34 PM

As Mitt Romney said today..we are fighting terrorists all around the world..but the only 'Rouge State' Obama recognizes, is the state of Arizona..

That's a good line, I'll grant you that...