GOP vs Tea Party

[powderman]

"vitrolic" Did ya mean vitriolic? 

Look.......people may not like obama because of what he is doing to their country. 


If you cant see the difference, I can't help you!  I dont remember Bush taking over health care, spending trillions on nothing, Stopping Oil drilling to punish Gulf states that didn't vote for him. Fighting  a State that only wants to protect its borders. and supporting only labor unions that support his agendas.  I think these and other things support a little vitriol ......ya think?

OS. YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[jimster]

I've noted that many of my right-wing gun-nut pals (I'm one of them) have been just as vitrolic in their condemnation/apparent hatred of Obama,

I am starting to wonder who some of these progressive posters really are.
I have been around guns all my life, so have most of the friends I choose, and I don't consider any of them right wing nuts. Nor them me...? 

A while back someone (progressive/educated/liberal lefty) claimed in a post on this site on another thread that these same right wing gun nuts would want the mentally insane to be able to have guns as well.  That was his first statement (false and made up) so he could go one to make some other progressive ultra left wing point. I remember thinking after reading that...yep, this is a lawyer alright...make up facts and stats for an opening argument as you go along to make your point based on the first false statement....I don't even know anyone who would say the mentally insane should have guns, never met one...and have been around gun owners my entire life. So I am wondering who the few people on this site really are that are so progressive....who are they really?  Why are they here?

And why is someone who loves firearms a right wing nut...or referred to as that in so many posts by the few progressives posting on this site?

Look.......people may not like obama because of what he is doing to their country.

Yes...this is what it is...Obama is a far left wing marxist and has done more damage to our country in a shorter amount of time...and does not even try to hide the extreme communist movements within his own administration.  Seems the progressive few on the left like to bring up "race", "right wing gun nuts" and all these little things that can stop or turn an argument away from the original topic.  Just the method that is used when facts are not available I guess.

[slim rem 7]

gop ,tea party ,what ever.. if the ones who believe in the concept of
one nation under god and govt of the people, for the people , by the people,don t find a way to unite..
 not much chance of victory an restoreing this nation..

[jimster]

gop ,tea party ,what ever.. if the ones who believe in the concept of
one nation under god and govt of the people, for the people , by the people,don t find a way to unite..
 not much chance of victory an restoreing this nation..

That's the truth of it Slim. Our country was based on family units staying together, our laws were based on values that came from Judeo-Christian Values, and the farther we get away from this, the more divided and more freedoms we will all lose.  When the base gets torn down it all comes down eventually, no matter what any party proclaims they are for, if they are not 100 percent for what you mentioned, we won't stand a chance.  Getting away from these values seem to be very expensive in more ways than one.

[Swampman]

Here's some good family values for you.....

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?ps=1011&rip_id=%3CD9IAM2803%40news.ap.org%3E&_LT=HOME_LARSDCCLM_UNEWS

[billy_56081]

WOW Swampy! Someone had a falling out in faith at one point in thier life. I'm sure she is the first and only one. 

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

[yellowtail3]

I've noted that many of my right-wing gun-nut pals (I'm one of them) have been just as vitrolic in their condemnation/apparent hatred of Obama,

I am starting to wonder who some of these progressive posters really are. I have been around guns all my life, so have most of the friends I choose, and I don't consider any of them right wing nuts. Nor them me...? 

Uh, that was me, Jimster... and I'm using the terminology that the Leftwingnuts use. You could say I've adopted it, in order to own it, and so change it... kind of like how black guys call themselves niggas (but you better not).
I don't think I'm all that progressive, at least not by the standards of those who embrace that label for themselves. I am, however, done with ideology.

A while back someone (progressive/educated/liberal lefty) claimed in a post on this site on another thread that these same right wing gun nuts would want the mentally insane to be able to have guns as well.  That was his first statement (false and made up) so he could go one to make some other progressive ultra left wing point. I remember thinking after reading that...yep, this is a lawyer alright...make up facts and stats for an opening argument as you go along to make your point based on the first false statement....

Definitely not me - I detest lawyers.

I don't even know anyone who would say the mentally insane should have guns, never met one...and have been around gun owners my entire life.

It does sound like disinformation designed to attribute to a group... a position they did not take.

Look.......people may not like obama because of what he is doing to their country.

Yes...this is what it is...Obama is a far left wing marxist

Only here. Want to see a real far-left Marxist, who actually gets attention and has power? You'll have to go to Europe for that.

...and has done more damage to our country in a shorter amount of time...

eh, I'm not convinced... most of our economic probs aren't Obama's doing, from what I can understand. He doesn't seem all that radical to me (I didn't vote for him)

[Swampman]

WOW Swampy! Someone had a falling out in faith at one point in thier life. I'm sure she is the first and only one. 

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

No stones cast....But folks are pretty quick to post ancient Obama stuff.

The Tea Party will ensure plenty of Democrats win and or stay in office.  They are misguided.....

[BBF]

The Tea Party will ensure plenty of Democrats win and or stay in office.  They are misguided.....

The TP would not even exist IF the repubs would have stuck to their fundamental and conservative roots.

When you have people like Lisa M who lost the primary fair and square runs as a Write-In you have a perfect example of an egotist that has no regard to the wishes of the Alaskan voter that does not want a Democrate as a Senator. If this happens, I hope Alaskans run her sorry butt right down to CA. She would fit there much better.
Lets see if Castle will do the right thing, I have my doubts.

[beerbelly]

Swampman I think in this case you are the one misguided. I love what the TEA PARTY is doing. They are tossing out RINOs left and right.  If I am to be ruled from the left I could care less whether they have a R or D in front of their name.
                                   Beerbelly

[billy_56081]

Well said Beerbelly!

[jimster]

I think overall from what I have read the Tea party represents dissatisfaction with both main parties sharing the power and both parties voting basically the same on all major issues in the past several years. You can look real hard and find some different types of people that will attach themselves to this party, but that is the way it is now in both other major parties as well...the wacko's will attach themselves to various parties.  
Without any uprising at all on what is going on in our country, how would you expect anything to ever change with these bozo's in Washigton? There had to be some kind of movement against it all. Lets face it folks, congress is sooooo bad you could actually grab 535 people off the street from anywhere with no experience in anything at all, and not have things any worse than they have been, or are right now.  The democrats and republicans have made a living by separating groups of people and defining what those differences are. The separate, they conquer, and they share the majority power from time to time and don't have to ever move on from their jobs of collecting our money in large sums and squandering it openly.  More openly now because they have become arrogant as well. They know there is nothing we could do about it.

If the tea party bothers both parties, and it seems it does......GOOD!  Lets have more movements and stop being so picky.
 

[Oldshooter]

I'm not convinced... most of our economic probs aren't Obama's doing, from what I can understand. He doesn't seem all that radical to me (I didn't vote for him)

Well then why in hell didn't you vote for him!

You seem to like everything he has done and he said what he was gonna do before he was even elected!

In my humble opinion folk like you are just who he had in mind when he wanted to take away more freedom and make Government more powerful.

[jimster]

Obama is one of the most radical presidents I have seen in my lifetime.  His idealogy is made known by both his words and his actions, and the only two things he ever did in his entire life, his two books, about himself of course. The only real difference in him than I can see compared to some others, is his persistant arrogance and complete disregard for anything even remotely associated with American values, and his openness to his ideolgy, most try to hide some of that.  He is up front and not hiding a single thing, he feels he doesn't have to.  And why should he.  There is a far left movement in place for a long time, he has plenty of supporters.  As far as what America is supposed to be, he is way radical, he is way inexperienced, and he way out of touch with the average American as he has not experienced much of anything a normal American has experienced.  He can't even use a calulator, or believe one, his ideolgy does not allow for any logic in anything based in math.

Want to see a real far-left Marxist, who actually gets attention and has power? You'll have to go to Europe for that.

I could disagree...we do not have to go to Europe to see what they have...we just need to look at what we have now.  The feds are suing states, cracking down on individuals, denying them of parts of their constitution (article 4 section 4 for one of many), he has signed legislation that forces people to by a product, used his signature to condone spending tax money on many very questionable things, signed legislation that forces you to pay for failed private companies, taken over banks,   and has used the office of the president of the United States as a political tool.  Are there others who have done this? Well, yes....but so what? This is big stuff no mater what you throw in the mix to make it seem trivial. 

Obama is the sum of what has been crashing this country for decades.  And it's right there in your face.  Entire cities have been taken over by his ideologies already.  He is the enemy, and it doesn't matter you think the ememy is the one before him, or before that...that does not matter in the least.  What matters is right now because there is no going back, only forward. 





 

[yellowtail3]

He can't even use a calulator, or believe one, his ideolgy does not allow for any logic in anything based in math.

Really? Obama can't use a calculator, and as an ideological prob with using one? I honestly didn't know that.

I'm not convinced... most of our economic probs aren't Obama's doing, from what I can understand. He doesn't seem all that radical to me (I didn't vote for him)

Well then why in hell didn't you vote for him!

I thought about it, but I'm a 2nd Amendment 1st kind of voter, and I think Obama too beholden to folks who are hostile to gun owners. On the other hand, I predicted - correctly, thus far? - that he's got more important things to do than go to gun-grabbin', which would greatly narrow his support. I keep an eye on that, though.

You seem to like everything he has done and he said what he was gonna do before he was even elected!

That's silly. Come up with a list of everything - oh heck, I'll settle for a list of just four things - that are Obama initiatives, that I've said I liked, and that... you don't approve of. Let' see it?

In my humble opinion folk like you are just who he had in mind when he wanted to take away more freedom and make Government more powerful.

         

[powderman]

JIMSTER. There ya go making sense again, ya gotta be careful, it gives the libs here a complex and gives em headaches. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

Want to see a real far-left Marxist, who actually gets attention and has power? You'll have to go to Europe for that.

Kindly narrow that down a bit, ie name or country if you don't mind.

[yellowtail3]

Kindly narrow that down a bit, ie name or country if you don't mind.

Italy, France, Spain... they've all got real communist parties. We don't.

[jimster]

Really? Obama can't use a calculator, and as an ideological prob with using one? I honestly didn't know that.

You should know that.  It's a known fact you can't spend more than you take in, if you do, you either can't use a calulator, or, your ideolgy gets in the way of the simple math and you just say screw it, and spend the money anyway.  Result is bad of course.

Simple really...he either can't use a calculator, or won't for some other reason.  Now just what do you figure that other reason is?  That's simple too.

So now you know and there should be no doubt...Obama is not able to, or wants to...use a calculator. That's all he would have to do to realize he messed up on what he signed into law already.

In short...I could easily qualify as president of the United States, because I actually have a few more simple skills than Obama has, I use a calulator.
I am more qualified than he is.  Not bragging...just a fact.  Most people are more qualified than he is, so that's not a big deal for me to say that.

[powderman]

JIMSTER. OH YEAHHH??? Well osama has a teleprompter, so there. No  doubt you are more qualified than osama, you are an American. POWDERMAN. 

[Oldshooter]

He doesn't seem all that radical to me

I,ve listed his accomplishments for you already, and you dont think "he's all that radical"! Whats it gonna take yellowtail, him declaring marshall law on the whole nation before you think he's all that radical Hmmm?

You are beginning to get on my nerves, So in the future ignore my posts, cause I certainly am going to ignore yours!

[skarke]

If anyone believes that the US Communist party isn't alive and powerful, then I'm just speechless.  All anyone needs to do is sit in the faculty breakroom of our universities and listen for a while.  I know this to be true, because I have family members who are devout Marxists (Lennin and Marx busts are on display in their home, Soviet art is all over the walls, etc.)  They are "mainstream" liberal arts faculty, one was Dean of Faculty of a large University until he retired just recently.

Further, they aren't kooks, and they definitely have a plan.  There are revolutionaries amongst us.  We are foolish to believe otherwise.

Regarding our original topic, this modern aristocracy controls both parties has to go.  I'm not active in the Tea Party locally, but know several who are, and they are people I'd trust educating my kids.

[yellowtail3]

You are beginning to get on my nerves, So in the future ignore my posts, cause I certainly am going to ignore yours!

Your nerves are tender, are they? Are your knees a little weak, too? You go ahead and ignore; you can even stick yer fingers in yer ears and say "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" if it makes you feel just a little more secure.

12 days & a wake-up 'til muzzleloading opens...

[billy_56081]

You are beginning to get on my nerves, So in the future ignore my posts, cause I certainly am going to ignore yours!

Your nerves are tender, are they? Are your knees a little weak, too? You go ahead and ignore; you can even stick yer fingers in yer ears and say "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" if it makes you feel just a little more secure.

12 days & a wake-up 'til muzzleloading opens...

WOW! Old yellow that is probably your most intelectual post ever. Middle man?

[scootrd]

Still, it is the BUREAUCRACY THAT REMAINS following any election that has to be overcome.  All of the other rascals entrenched in Washington in cushy support jobs that write legislation and push their agendas, these are the ones we can never touch that have to be transformed.  The elected official is only the mouthpiece.

Bingo.. and this is why no matter what administration is in office things never change. 

[ironglow]

Kindly narrow that down a bit, ie name or country if you don't mind.

Italy, France, Spain... they've all got real communist parties. We don't.

  YT;
  Surely you jest..there has been a Comminist party USA virtually since the Bolshevik revolution took place in Russia.
  http://www.cpusa.org/

[ironglow]

WOW Swampy! Someone had a falling out in faith at one point in thier life. I'm sure she is the first and only one.  

He who is without sin cast the first stone.

No stones cast....But folks are pretty quick to post ancient Obama stuff.

The Tea Party will ensure plenty of Democrats win and or stay in office.  They are misguided.....

  Swampy;
       Are we to be expected to take Bill Mahr's word for anything? you can if you wish, but I never will. Did the woman say those things ? Possibly..but she may have been simply describing some of her stupid, youthful adventures. If such were the context, you can rest assured Mahr conveniently,left that info out. Many people have been saved out of worse than that and went on to become useful citizens..starting even with Paul..
   Interesting to see you taking up for Obama, though...

   Before you post any info by a radical leftist such as Mahr, you ought to check the context and/or particulars.

[scootrd]

"vitrolic" Did ya mean vitriolic?  

Look.......people may not like obama because of what he is doing to their country.  


If you cant see the difference, I can't help you!  I dont remember Bush taking over health care, spending trillions on nothing, Stopping Oil drilling to punish Gulf states that didn't vote for him. Fighting  a State that only wants to protect its borders. and supporting only labor unions that support his agendas.  I think these and other things support a little vitriol ......ya think?

The flip side is ..Bush admin was in  bed with corporate America, Wall street ,,etc..We entered a war we didn't need to enter , squandered a suplus , created a huge deficit, and held hands with "our" Saudi friends on the white house lawn, and Just remember it was the Bush admin (cheney Specifically) that allowed the oil corps  to lessen restriction on safety controls when Drilling)  and blah ..blah .. blah.. My point is they are all hypocrites..Dems, Reps, alike ...This has become the whats in it for me ERA .. it's the I got mine,  to heck  with everyone else Time.

I don't care for DEMS , REP, alike and just for the record the TEA Party started out as a good idea, but now they have been hijacked by special interests,  Fruit cups, and extreme fringe nut jobs. And the institutionalized  Parties contimue to try and hijack them as their own every chance they get. Cause for them it's not about change it's about Power as mentioned earlier by someone else.  JMHO. Feel free to disagree. It's just how I feel.

They have all forgotten who they are working for WE THE PEOPLE.

Absolute power corrupts .. Absolutely... It's so true.

and the Tea Party candidates are going to spit the votes and the DEMS will remain in power.. Just my humble prediction.

[yellowtail3]

 YT;
  Surely you jest..there has been a Comminist party USA virtually since the Bolshevik revolution took place in Russia.
  http://www.cpusa.org/

Yeah, I know, but they don't have a single seat in the house or senate; closest might be Bernie Sanders?

[Oldshooter]

Well hell scooter we might as well give up . everybody is a no good SOB but me a you and I'm getting nervous about you!