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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2010, 01:23:16 AM »
I have to agree with you there Oldshooter. Moderates have no guiding compass. They are the silly pop culture go with whats popular people of the world.
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2010, 03:57:39 AM »
It is an interesting read going through this post. It seems to be a perfect example of what Stewart was talking about to begin with. If somebody disagrees with your obviously superior opinion then riducule them. Whatever you do, don't hold an intelligent (or unintelligent) discussion with them. You may be exposed to a different perspective or something equally distasteful.

I guess my father instilled, self-defacing, internal dictionary defines a moderate as an anti-extremist. As such, I can live with that.
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2010, 08:39:00 AM »
If your talking about politics, you can always be right all the time.  If you were to vote for a bill that spent millions on the study of pig oder...for example. Always going to be no, yes is wrong all the time.  
The only way this will ever be fixed is to outlaw earmarks in budgets and outlaw unrelated amendments being attached to main piece of legislation that is trying to be passed..............  
..........Don't squish the two together and force everyone to vote on two unrelated issues.  The outcome is all the noise "he/she doesn't care about the soldiers because they didn't vote yes on main defense  budget. (pure political games) .


 I'm in full agreement there.  Those attachments usually are the sticks while the main bill is the carrot
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2010, 09:42:02 AM »
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2010, 10:40:56 AM »
Some quotes about moderates:

"I was no party man myself, and the first wish of my heart was, if parties did exist, to reconcile them."
— George Washington
 

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself."
— Thomas Jefferson
 

"Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle. We are all Republicans; we are all Federalists."
—Thomas Jefferson
 

"I have always sought for the middle ground."
—James Madison
 

"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other."
—John Adams
 

"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities."
—Abraham Lincoln
 

"I am a man who believes with all fervor and intensity in moderate progress. Too often men who believe in moderation believe in it only moderately and tepidly and leave fervor to the extremists of the two sides -- the extremists of reaction and the extremists of progress. Washington, Lincoln . . . are men who, to my mind, stand as the types of what wide, progressive leadership should be."—Theodore Roosevelt
 

"We [must] hold the just balance and set ourselves as resolutely against improper corporate influence on the one hand as against demagogy and mob rule on the other."
—Theodore Roosevelt
 

"Just as Lincoln got contradictory advice from the extremists of both sides . . . so now I have to guard myself against the extremists of both sides."
—Theodore Roosevelt
 

"Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars, but remember to keep your feet on the ground."
—Theodore Roosevelt
 

"We stand in the presence of an awakened nation, impatient of partisan make-believe."
—Woodrow Wilson
 

"Government is not a warfare of interests."
—Woodrow Wilson
 

"The future lies with those wise political leaders who realize that the great public is interested more in Government than in politics."
—Franklin D. Roosevelt
 

"Partisanship must end at the waters edge."
—Harry S. Truman
 

"I shall seek the support of the people of both parties. I can do this honorably because I am an independent and therefore in a position to serve the people regardless of their politics or mine."
—Governor Earl Warren
 

"It is time that the great center of our people, who reject the violence and unreasonableness of both the extreme right and the extreme left...declare their consciences."
—Senator Margaret Chase Smith
 

"It is only common sense to recognize that the great bulk of Americans, whether Republican or Democrat, face many common problems and agree on a number of basic objectives."
—Dwight D. Eisenhower
 

"Extremes to the right and left of any political dispute are always wrong."
—Dwight D. Eisenhower
 

"The middle of the road is all of the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters."
—Dwight D. Eisenhower
 

"Extreme opposites resemble the other. Each believes that we have only two choices: appeasement or war, suicide or surrender, humiliation or holocaust, to be either Red or dead."
—John F. Kennedy
 

"This is a time for courage and a time of challenge. Neither conformity nor complacency will do. Neither fanatics nor the faint-hearted are needed."
—John F. Kennedy Undelivered Speech, November 22nd, 1963
 

"Extremists on the left tend to be just as critical of pragmatism as extremists on the right."
—Richard Nixon
 

"Idealism without pragmatism is impotent. Pragmatism without idealism is meaningless. The key to effective leadership is pragmatic idealism."
—Richard Nixon
 

"We must reject separatism from whatever source. We must reject white separatism. We must reject black separatism."
—Senator Edward Brooke
 

"On human rights, civil rights and environmental quality, I consider myself to be very liberal. On the management of government, on openness of government, on strengthening individual liberties and local levels of government, I consider myself a conservative. And I don't see that the two attitudes are incompatible."
—Jimmy Carter
 

"The core of America is not racist. It is not hostile to women. It is increasingly offended by gay bashing. Yet it abhors government waste. It believes strongly in fiscal responsibility such as balanced budgets. It is pro-economic growth. It is concerned about the environment. It is intolerant of people on welfare who disdain the notion of work. But it wants poor kids to have school lunches and it wants to spend money to have good schools. In sum, most Americans are sensible, good-hearted, and prudent. The issue, then, is whether there is a political party that can welcome them home."
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"When we put aside partisanship, embrace the best ideas regardless of where they come from and work for principled compromise, we can move America not left or right, but forward."
—Bill Clinton
 

"The choice we offer is not conservative or liberal. In many ways its not even Republican or Democratic. Its different. Its new. And it will work."
—Bill Clinton
 

"I'm too fiscally conservative for the Democrats and too socially liberal for the Republicans, like 75% of the American people."
—Governor Angus King
 

"To be locked into partisan politics doesn't permit you to think clearly."
—Mayor Rudy Giuliani
 

"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell on the right."
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2010, 12:04:24 PM »
Some quotes about moderates:

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself."
— Thomas Jefferson
 
"Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle. We are all Republicans; we are all Federalists."
—Thomas Jefferson
 

Good post , beat me to it. Thanks

Side note: the reason why the Republican party is going down the toilet is because they have become a bunch of extremists.
They have alienated me. They are not the republican party I associated with. Presently they have now begun to turn on their own republican moderate members and are so busy eating their own with in party power grabs, squabbles, and a total lack of any type of cohesive leadership they will pose no true opposition against the Dems.

as mentioned in previous post :

"The future lies with those wise political leaders who realize that the great public is interested more in Government than in politics."
—Franklin D. Roosevelt

Like it or not the majority of mainstream America has no appetite for extremism whether it comes from the left or the right.  
Mainstream America is looking for a government that functions once again with less extremism.

and like it or not it will be the moderate mainstream independent thinkers and voters that will decide the next elections cycle not the extremists of either parties, something both side better start to consider more carefully.
 
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2010, 03:49:24 AM »
Based on the definitions of Moderate and Moderation relating to politics, what would the Democrat party offer
that you guys would be in agreement with?

 What part of their agenda should we push forward for the betterment
of the country?

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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2010, 05:02:36 PM »
I think one topic both parties could stand behind would be extending tax cuts for those making 250k or less.
Let 'em all vote on that.

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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2010, 05:28:55 PM »
I think one topic both parties could stand behind would be extending tax cuts for those making 250k or less.
Let 'em all vote on that.



Why not tax cuts for everyone? 
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2010, 09:40:11 AM »
Except for a few Dems who are presently calling for extension of the Bush era tax cuts (their timing is suspect, where were they 1 year ago) tax cuts are not a plank of the Democratic platform. 

My question, 3 posts above, is asked of moderate thinkers based on present Democratic politics.

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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2010, 10:21:19 AM »
I saw that Jon Stewart is calling his rally the "Restore Sanity Rally".

If Stewart's show is any indication of his brand of sanity, then I'm perfectly satisfied being insane, (according to Stewart).

I think trying to counter Beck's rally is kinda pathetic, IMO.
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2010, 11:01:39 AM »
Moderates are folks that buy a big four wheel drive truck and never take it off the road.  They are scared of eating hot sauce or rare steaks. They won't let their kids play with guns, knives, or fire works. That is why they are fewer  in numbers.  Thier children grow up stupid and are killed off.  They tend to vote for people who believe like themselves.  They love John McGore.  They are waiting for the Left Wing to save the planet and all will be well. That is being Moderate. :-\
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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2010, 03:51:58 AM »
Which just proves to me, Range Rider, that you have never actually met and talked with a moderate. You described a liberal pretty well but no moderate I have ever talked to around a fire sipping bourbon getting ready to turn the dogs loose on some bottom coons down in the cottonwoods.
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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2010, 04:13:38 AM »
Lets see here, I consider myself a moderate and am a registered democrat:
I have a two wheel drive PU that goes off road on my property when needed.
I love most hot sauces.
I love rare steaks.
I grow most of my own produce.
I currently have eleven firearms and I reload.
I am a sailplane pilot and motorcycle rider.
I am the sec/treasurer for my local Lions Club. 
My step-daughter whom I taught to shoot can handle handguns through .357 magnum, shoots .243 and .219 Donaldson-Wasp well and she loves to fish.
I own my own home debt free as well as my vehicles and for the exception of 80 acres I am still paying on I own 560 acres debt free.

I don't think I sound that much like Range Riders description of a moderate. Oh, maybe I should say that I am a liberal.
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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2010, 04:33:11 AM »
A moderate is any one's dog that will hunt him. Has no principles at all, a go along kind of guy.
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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2010, 04:38:22 AM »
I don't think I sound that much like Range Riders description of a moderate. Oh, maybe I should say that I am a liberal.
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2010, 05:13:16 AM »
There is right and then there is wrong. Moderates are partly right and partly wrong. How much depends on how liberal, progressive or conservative they are in their thinking.

Being partly wrong doesn't make it right.

Compromise on right and wrong always has some amount of wrong in it. Most times way too much.
That's why people say, "the line between right and wrong is blured". Seems people can't look at the FACTS and come to a proper conculsion on what's right. Ideology and self-interest get in the way.

Judging someones philosophy, world view and political or religious leanings on what they eat and what they drive,(and where), is just silly.
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« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2010, 07:54:52 AM »
There is right and then there is wrong. Moderates are partly right and partly wrong. How much depends on how liberal, progressive or conservative they are in their thinking.

Being partly wrong doesn't make it right.

Compromise on right and wrong always has some amount of wrong in it. Most times way too much.
That's why people say, "the line between right and wrong is blured". Seems people can't look at the FACTS and come to a proper conculsion on what's right. Ideology and self-interest get in the way.

Judging someones philosophy, world view and political or religious leanings on what they eat and what they drive,(and where), is just silly.

Saddle: I think you're making a mistake in thinking that moderates are somehow wishy-washy and just accepting a little of each side of the extremism.  There is a point between any two actions where it becomes balanced.  If you don't put into powder into a cartridge, it doesn't fire.  If you fill it to the top, it explodes.  The man who loads the proper amount isn't reaching some compromise between the cartridge not going off and the gun blowing up - he's adding the RIGHT amount to make the system behave how he wants.  

Striking a balance in all things needn't be a compromise - sometimes it's the correct thing to do.  

Prime example; Government services.  The extreme right wants NONE of them.  The extreme left wants the government running the whole country.  Somewhere in the middle there is a huge contingent of people who think that private business in general is to be preferred, but there is an advantage in having the government support basic social services like the US Postal system, an education system, roads/interstates, fire departments, and law enforcement.  

Welfare and/or disability.  The right wants NONE of if.  The left wants a handout to anybody who doesn't want to work.  Somewhere in the middle there are the people who think that in general people should be making their own way in life, but having the government helping those who are TRULY disabled - those who are in wheelchairs, or blind, or the mentally handicapped - is something we should do.

Those people aren't "without a moral compass" or compromising to make both sides happy - they're looking at going off the deep end towards either end of the spectrum as courses of actions that simply WILL NOT WORK.  

Whether you put 4 cups of sugar in a gallon of tea or none, you're still doing it wrong - the proper amount is 2 cups ;).

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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2010, 09:09:24 AM »
You are arguing political right and left. I was talking about right and wrong. Right and wrong happen on both sides, as you indicated.
Your tea example doesn't fit. That pertains to personal preference, not absolute right and wrong. It's opinion. There is no life or death in it. No fiscal responsibility envolved. No freedoms lost. It's purely a matter of taste. No one is harmed.

Politically speaking moderate types tend to think there is no absolute right and wrong. Lets see, the far left wants to kill babies at will. At the drop of a hat, for any excuse no matter how shallow and self serving. Even for the express use of research. The far right says no. Not under any circumstances. Moderates say, well if the left gives us this favor that we want we will let them kill some of the babies but not all. Life is not a political bargining chip! Contrary to Bart Stupak's view of abortion.

A political moderate will say, we can overlook this part of the constitution to get what we want over here. So where does it end.

A moderate just let Lindsey Lohan out of jail, AGAIN! Did he serve justice? Did it do her any good? Did it set a good example for others? Did it uphold the rule of law? Was he compassionate? Depends on who you ask. Or did he just get payed off to do it?

Moderates and the left allowed the illegal alien issue to explode into the unsolvable mess it is today. ENFORCE THE DARN LAWS FOR PETE SAKE!!  Moderates say no, lets have anchor babies and give them some benefits. Lets look the other way. How does that help the situation?

We either take the country in the right direction or the wrong direction. No amount of "moderation" or compromise will effect the truth of absolute right and wrong.
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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2010, 09:37:18 AM »
IMHO without moderation this country will die because NOTHING will get accomplished whether to the left or right. Everyone will just be a stubborn ass and not move a quarter of an inch off their stand to actually accomplish something. Everything in life involves give and take.
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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2010, 09:45:01 AM »
Your tea example doesn't fit. That pertains to personal preference, not absolute right and wrong. It's opinion. There is no life or death in it. No fiscal responsibility envolved. No freedoms lost. It's purely a matter of taste. No one is harmed.

My tea example was a joke meant to lighten the mood, ergo the winkie emoticon ;).

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Politically speaking moderate types tend to think there is no absolute right and wrong. Lets see, the far left wants to kill babies at will. At the drop of a hat, for any excuse no matter how shallow and self serving. Even for the express use of research. The far right says no. Not under any circumstances. Moderates say, well if the left gives us this favor that we want we will let them kill some of the babies but not all. Life is not a political bargining chip! Contrary to Bart Stupak's view of abortion.

Again, you're seeing it as a compromise.  Most moderates I know aren't compromising on abortion or whatnot.  They either support it or they don't, and for their own reasons.  Regardless of what we may think, many don't consider an early term fetus to be a baby yet.  In their eyes, it's not alive, and so it's not murder.  Some that do have stipulations.  For instance, if the life of the mother is in danger if the pregnancy goes through.   In that case it's a grey area.  Most of us agree that killing is OK to protect your own life or the life of another.  Is a mother whose life is in danger justified?  It could be argued to be self defense.

As to myself, I will say that I'm PERSONALLY against abortion except in the case where the mother's life is in danger.  I adopt that position from a non-religious perspective that the easiest point to which to assign the "start" of life is the fertilization of an egg and the formation of a unique dna sequence. I'm not necessarily opposed to embryonic stem cell research however because those do not come from abortions.  Those embryos are typically from invitro fertilization clinics and are unused embryos that were never inside a womb, and are scheduled for destruction anyways.  Again, I'm a bit middle of the road, not because I'm trying to make both sides happy, but because to me the right answer it's an extreme to either side.

See? It's a middle of the road position, and it's not meant to compromise or make either group happy.  It's just the level headed way to look at it in my eyes.

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A political moderate will say, we can overlook this part of the constitution to get what we want over here. So where does it end.

Not at all.  As a matter of fact I've found moderates to be far more in support of the constitution than extremists.  Far lefters tend to ignore the 2nd amendment  as they see fit. Far righters tend to ignore the 1st.

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A moderate just let Lindsey Lohan out of jail, AGAIN! Did he serve justice? Did it do her any good? Did it set a good example for others? Did it uphold the rule of law? Was he compassionate? Depends on who you ask. Or did he just get payed off to do it?

Lohan is out on bail.  She'll likely be going back after her next hearing.  That's the way the system works..  

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Moderates and the left allowed the illegal alien issue to explode into the unsolvable mess it is today. ENFORCE THE DARN LAWS FOR PETE SAKE!!  Moderates say no, lets have anchor babies and give them some benefits. Lets look the other way. How does that help the situation?

Many far righters don't really care about "the law".  They just want the "brown people" out and will find any way they can to justify it.  I have no problem enforcing immigration laws, but currently the cost of "doing it right" is beyond what many south of the border could afford to pay if they wanted to.  My issues isn't about "brown people" coming in, but about people benefiting from the system without paying their fair share of taxes.  It's my firm belief that anybody that wants to come here should be able to if they want to.  So, lets simplify the immigration process.  Lets setup our own modern day Ellis Island down there on the border (which is about the most any of our ancestors had to do anyways) where people can register, get a SSN, and then legally enter the country.  They're in the system, they're paying, life goes on.  

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We either take the country in the right direction or the wrong direction. No amount of "moderation" or compromise will effect the truth of absolute right and wrong.

No question, but when forward is the right direction then both right and left are the wrong ones.

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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2010, 11:13:53 AM »
You are correct. I see compromise in the these issues and others. If not, how did we get to where we are now? Is it because wrong is winning over right or is it because of moderation and compromising on doing what is right.

Again you make it about right and left instead of right and wrong. It is wrong to evoke racism by the right into the illegal alien conversation by using your "brown people" references. It has nothing to do with race, unless your talking about La Raza or something.

As far as Lohan goes, that is a good example of how the law has been compromised. Do you really think you or I would be out partying it up instead of setting in jail if we had done what she has, or Hilton for that matter? They never should have gotten a pass in the first place. Same with illegal aliens. Now we have 2 young women encouraged to continue their self destruction and illegal behavior, and the many problems, social, economic and moral, with the illegal aliens. The same goes for economic/fiscal issues, moral issues and issues of integrity. Both personally and as a nation. In all cases it started with moderation/compromise.

The moderation/compromise on what's right and wrong leads to a freefall in the wrong direction.
Good example, you say the, "embryos are typically from invitro fertilization clinics". The key word here is "typically". The old saying, give an inch take a mile, seems to fit right in with the term moderate. Is it morally right to do this at all anyway especially when there are other ways without using human embryos?

First one must find the absolute truth and decide what is right and what is wrong. Then make the decision what side you want to be on and take a stand.


See? The middle of the road IS compromise and taking a stand there just gets us run over!   ;)
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2010, 11:56:05 AM »
Again you make it about right and left instead of right and wrong.

Ok, lets think of it that way.  You're saying that right and wrong can be decoupled from left and right political spectrums.  If they are truly not directly related, then you're acknowledging that the rightness or wrongness doesn't necessarily increase or decrease based on the left or rightness of that position.  Does it not stand to reason that sometimes the right answer is in the middle of the political spectrum?

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It is wrong to evoke racism by the right into the illegal alien conversation by using your "brown people" references. It has nothing to do with race, unless your talking about La Raza or something.

I'm just calling it how I see it there.  If people want to talk about it and actually come up with a sensible solution then that's fine, but 90% of the time when arguing it descends not into an immigration policy debate, but into an "us vs them" debate.  Maybe I've just been talking with the wrong right wingers.  If I'm given ample evidence to the contrary I'll reverse my opinion on this matter and apologize.   

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As far as Lohan goes, that is a good example of how the law has been compromised. Do you really think you or I would be out partying it up instead of setting in jail if we had done what she has, or Hilton for that matter? They never should have gotten a pass in the first place. Same with illegal aliens. Now we have 2 young women encouraged to continue their self destruction and illegal behavior, and the many problems, social, economic and moral, with the illegal aliens. The same goes for economic/fiscal issues, moral issues and issues of integrity. Both personally and as a nation. In all cases it started with moderation/compromise.

I don't know.  I know a kid I went to school with who's been in and out of prison more times than I can remember.  Mostly for theft.  He's got no political or social clout to throw around - he's just committed a bunch of offenses that carry light terms with plenty of parole possibilities.  Lindsay and Paris are much the same.  Lohan is going back for trial.  She's wearing a monitoring device to prevent her from fleeing town.

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The key word here is "typically". The old saying, give an inch take a mile, seems to fit right in with the term moderate. Is it morally right to do this at all anyway especially when there are other ways without using human embryos?

"Typically" is there as a catchall.  It's just a habit of mine to try to avoid speaking in absolutes.  It's specifically against the law to create embryos with the intention to destroy them, and I'm aware of no embryonic stem cell research that utilizes aborted embryos.  Most of them are well past the stage where they'd be useful by the time a woman discovers that she's pregnant, and either way and abortion would likely damage them beyond use.  The source for these embryos is waste products from IVF clinics.  They are eggs only a few days old that were fertilized in petri dishes that never got used.  They're excess that are going to be thrown away REGARDLESS.  And no, despite what many have tried to convince us of, there are things possible with embryonic stem cell research that is not possible with adult stems cells and all of the "alternative" methods proposed.

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First one must find the absolute truth and decide what is right and what is wrong. Then make the decision what side you want to be on and take a stand.

See? The middle of the road IS compromise and taking a stand there just gets us run over!   ;)

And if the "side" that you find yourself on is politically closer to the middle of the road than the extremist sides, then what?  Going right or left would be the compromise then.

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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2010, 12:10:29 PM »
Some nice play on words!

"It's just a habit of mine to try to avoid speaking in absolutes."

Thanks for making my point!    ;D

You may have the last word. I waste too much time in front of this thing.

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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2010, 04:21:16 PM »
Moderates are nothing but liberal scum that is still in the closet. Nothing but backstabbing turncoats when the going gets tough.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2010, 04:33:45 PM »
You are correct. I see compromise in the these issues and others. If not, how did we get to where we are now? Is it because wrong is winning over right or is it because of moderation and compromising on doing what is right.

You got it right! Compromise and tolerance are just words for surrender! We have had fifty years of compromise and tolerance. Which is why the liberal communist are taking our country to hell!
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2010, 08:05:33 PM »
More like over 200 years of compromise.
Just look at the issues facing the 1787 constutional congress and the compromises made.
1.Big states vs, small states
2. Counting slaves as part of the population
3. Tariffs
4. Slave trade
5. Executive elections
This country was founded on compromise and tolerance and those values are what make it great to this day!
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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2010, 05:59:48 AM »
Looks to me like you already have.

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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2010, 07:43:39 AM »
Crustafarian, What you speak of is the Founding Fathers. They were of a single mind concerning freedom and what kind of country we should have. Through their efforts they gave us a good one.
Apples and oranges to what you are comparing them to and the reason for doing so. No comparision between the fools now and men then. Those were good honorable men.
A moderate is someone, to inmature to decide right from wrong and to anti American to vote. Unfortunately they can.

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Re: Million Moderate March on D.C.
« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2010, 07:49:31 AM »
They were of a single mind concerning freedom and what kind of country we should have. Through their efforts they gave us a good one.

Come on now.  Hamilton and Burr weren't out there taking pot-shots at each other over the local horse races.  The Founding Fathers were divided just as much as we are now