A HISTORY OF MUSLIM ACHIEVEMENTS.

[powderman]

They saved having to dumb down later




Surely they've sunk low enough. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

than a well diggers back side 

[powderman]

And they're still digging. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm. My coffee comes from Columbia, you drink all that dried camel dung you want. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Mgmorden thanks for posting that wiki post. The mystery of old TM's true identity has been finally solved.

[ironglow]

Browsing in a book store,  I saw a small book entitled "The 100 Best Scientists in World History."  No blacks. No Muslims. I didn't think such a book could be published in modern Politically correct America.

  GW Carver; one of the greatest minds of his time...worth picking up a biography on him, you will be amazed. A huge portion of our agriculture, food & chemical industries owe him a great debt.
  Carver was a humble,pious man in contrast to his giant intellect. Born into slavery and after some harrowing adventure, raised by his former owner. He was at one point, offered a 6 figure income by one of the great labratories..but stayed right there at Tuskeegee, earning $1,500 per year.
  He had some brilliant quotes of his own, but more often, he employed verses directly from the Bible.

[MGMorden]

IG...generally, it was forbidden to educate slaves by law...Do you know how Carver got his smarts.?

Carver was born in 1864.  He was only a year old when slavery was abolished.  Educating blacks during his lifetime wasn't a crime - it was just more difficult as he had to seek out schools which would accept him (which he did manage to find and attend).

[SHOOTALL]

There were slave schools . They had to be educated to be able to work and be useful . They had to be able to know what to do when told .

[scootrd]

How come no credit was given to them for their contributions to the fashion world ? They brougt forth the exploding vest, snappy head gear and they made it cool not to bathe for months on end.

Actually I think the cool not to bathe for months on end was Brad Pitt. Just trying to stay with the facts

[scootrd]

One of my hobbies is history, and I've never found  any information about great black sea captains and black voyages of exploration.  Could you  help me out with some?
Thanks for your assistance.  

African-American Matthew A. Henson accompanied polar explorer Robert E. Peary on a U.S. expedition to the North Pole on April 6, 1909. In 2000, the National Geographic Society posthumously awarded Matthew Henson its highest honor—the Hubbard Medal. Henson's great niece, Audrey Mebane, accepted the award at the Matthew Henson Earth Conservation Center in Washington, D.C.

On this day in 1855, Captain Absalom Boston of Nantucket died. In an era when many African Americans worked as seamen, Absalom Boston stood out. In 1822 he captained an all-black crew on the whale ship Industry. That was but one unusual aspect of the voyage. Captains were usually respected but rarely liked. Boston's crew, however, had such a positive attitude toward him that they memorialized him in a ballad. He was a leader aboard ship and on land. When he retired from whaling, he combined a successful business with work on behalf of the island's black community. Although Absalom Boston had helped to integrate the island's public schools, when he died as a respected man of 70, he was buried in a segregated cemetery.

Also, you didn't list any famous  Hispanic scientists.  Why is that? Are you bigoted against Hispanic scientists, or couldn't you find any?   If you know of any great Hispanic scientists and astronauts please name them.

   * Luis Walter Alvarez, Nobel Prize-winning physicist
    * Franklin Chang-D́az, astronaut
    * Mario Molina, Nobel Prize-winning chemist
    * Carlos Noriega, astronaut
    * Ellen Ochoa, astronaut
    * Severo Ochoa, Nobel Prize-winning biochemist

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There were slave schools . They had to be educated to be able to work and be useful . They had to be able to know what to do when told .

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""""Slave schools""""mmmmmm, yeah! to know what to do when told ....sure, OKay.... a real education.....

Visit the South there are plantations that had schools for slaves , I believe Thos. Jeffersons Plantation may have had one . Uppington may have as well. Berkley maybe , Oak Grove etc.
Why is that so strange to you ?

[SHOOTALL]

So it was ended as the slaves got more in numbe in some places but not all schools teach reading and writing now do they ?

[gstewart44]

Slavery as it was prior to the Civil War, became nonexistant with the Emancipation Proclomation and subsequently the end of the war.   Before this time it was a crime to educate a slave in reading and writing.   Traiining on how to work the fields was rudimentary at best.   But as stated in a prior post, Carver was a year old when the War ended.   During the Reconstruction, schools for blacks only were set up around the country.   Carver started traveling miles from his home to find a "black" school where he could learn.  He learned many lessons in self subsistence during these formative years.  When he finally entered a black college and had learned all they offered he set out to discover and invent more ways to help poor farmers.  A truly genius of a man....and he did it without any muzzy help!

[gstewart44]

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Yeah sure...Columbia by way of whirling dervishes...


...TM7
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yeah - I remember them....that great early 90's rock band from NJ....."youre a mean one, Mr. Grinch....." 

[SHOOTALL]

It was nice to print the date of the laws passed but like speed limits not all obey .
John Chavis in NC ran a secret school for slaves at night in early 1800. Margaret Douglass did so in Norfolk Va. and was caught and convicted and imprisoned . 1787 one was opened in NY city and 6 more were added . One in conn. was opened and people attempted to burn it .In 1849 Boston law was changed so no one could be denied an education . Look up Francis Fredric and read how she was educated Also Henry Bibb , there are more .
TM-7 you take such an strong attitude that the Govt is wrong about 9/11 in its accounts but here seem to place such creditablity in a few laws passed as being the finial say.

[beerbelly]

 The Emancipation Proclomation only freed the slaves in the south, it did not free them in the north.

[ironglow]

Dr Carver was born one year before the end of the war. Booker T. Washington greeted his first students in 1881 at Tuskeegee. The State of Alabama granted him seed money of $2,000 to start.  GW Carver would have been 17 at that time. Keep in mind, Carver's former owner was benevolent enough to take him and his mother in, it is likely he would have been benevolent enough to provide the boy with a useful education. ...Then, there is the pheonomenon of "natural genius".
  The aforementioned Booker T Washington along with Dr Carver were truly brilliant and great men, still we hear little from the black community in praise of these two or even today's men of the stature like Justice Clarence Thomas or economist Walter Williams. It sure baffles me that these people would rather praise Jesse Jackson, Micheal Jackson or Snoop Dog, rather than these men of genuine genius.

[MGMorden]

The Emancipation Proclomation only freed the slaves in the south, it did not free them in the north.

Indeed, the 13th amendment freed them completely in all locations, and it was ratified in 1865.  The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863.  I personally tend to ignore the 1863 date since it didn't entirely abolish slavery in the whole country, and tend to consider the 1865 ammendment to represent the true end of slavery.  So as said, with Carver being born in 1864, he would have been a year old when slavery was abolished.

[SHOOTALL]

It was nice to print the date of the laws passed but like speed limits not all obey .
John Chavis in NC ran a secret school for slaves at night in early 1800. Margaret Douglass did so in Norfolk Va. and was caught and convicted and imprisoned . 1787 one was opened in NY city and 6 more were added . One in conn. was opened and people attempted to burn it .In 1849 Boston law was changed so no one could be denied an education . Look up Francis Fredric and read how she was educated Also Henry Bibb , there are more .
TM-7 you take such an strong attitude that the Govt is wrong about 9/11 in its accounts but here seem to place such creditablity in a few laws passed as being the finial say.

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Not arguing...just saying what the official policy and law on educating slaves was; and it was verboten to educate..same the world around...Why would anybody want smart slaves around?,,,except learned in their assigned tasks. Yes, good some decent folks strived to educate slaves as by your northerner examples...which is a far cry from what you originally said about the 'farm' schools for them.

Anyway, I've read about 20% of the African slaves imported here were moslems captives in many cases .


..TM7
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the first 2 examples are Southern . Slaves are slaves north or South. And not all Slaves hoed the garden or cut tobacco or picked cotton. Many were incharge of store houses , counting and moving products , some worked in homes needing much more education . It was the moslems that traded in the slaves that came here . The only way to free yourself was to become a moslem guess it didn't work for them .

[MGMorden]

Why would anybody want smart slaves around?

Just as a minor point of interest, when the Romans enslaved the Greeks they knew that most were heavily educated (and did nothing to stop that), and as a result many Greek slaves were purchased as tutors for the family's children.  All depends on what the planned use is as to whether or not education is helpful or harmful.

[gstewart44]

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Anyway, I've read about 20% of the African slaves imported here were moslems.
..TM7
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[/quote]Not unusual due to the fact that muzzies had infiltrated West Africa for hundreds of years prior to the Atlantic Slave trade.   they first sent missionaries/emmisaries along trade routes, then set up small segregated communities, then blended their beliefs into the existing culture, and finally when their numbers were strong enough they declared jihad on the non islamic rulers and people.  ( hmmmm sounds vaguely familiar with what is happening on our own soil.)
Slave trading has been a common practice amongst pre-muzzy arabs and africans for centuries, but the muzzies perfected it as lucrative business, and as a way of getting rid of their rebellious captives from warfare.    It was african muzzies that paid slave catchers (africans) to round up potential slaves from the interior of the dark continent.    

[gstewart44]

It was the moslems that traded in the slaves that came here

Actually, that is for the most part wholely incorrect. Not true TM - the West African kingdoms that traded human slaves with the Europeans from the mid 1600's to the 1800's were Islamic.   

True, some moslems rounded up the slaves in Africa where they were turned over for marketing by employers. Surely you jest.... you think the kingdoms of West Africa considered themselves "employees" of Europeans?   I think not.  They were just as cold and ruthless as their European "business partners", but they were muzzies. 

 I think you need to review 'who' ran the slave markets in Amsterdam, Newport, Charleston, and New Orleans and research who owned these ships and shipping business'....who actually ran the slave business    Wait....let me guess   . It must have been the Jews!!
 A good study for anyone interested in history of the USA, and of the world actually. Follow your own words

.TM7
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[billy_56081]

It was the moslems that traded in the slaves that came here

Actually, that is for the most part wholely incorrect. Not true TM - the West African kingdoms that traded human slaves with the Europeans from the mid 1600's to the 1800's were Islamic.   

True, some moslems rounded up the slaves in Africa where they were turned over for marketing by employers. Surely you jest.... you think the kingdoms of West Africa considered themselves "employees" of Europeans?   I think not.  They were just as cold and ruthless as their European "business partners", but they were muzzies. 

 I think you need to review 'who' ran the slave markets in Amsterdam, Newport, Charleston, and New Orleans and research who owned these ships and shipping business'....who actually ran the slave business    Wait....let me guess   . It must have been the Jews!!
 A good study for anyone interested in history of the USA, and of the world actually. Follow your own words

.TM7
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Gstewart you beat old TM to his favorite punchline. 

[nomosendero]

It was the moslems that traded in the slaves that came here

Actually, that is for the most part wholely incorrect. Not true TM - the West African kingdoms that traded human slaves with the Europeans from the mid 1600's to the 1800's were Islamic.   

True, some moslems rounded up the slaves in Africa where they were turned over for marketing by employers. Surely you jest.... you think the kingdoms of West Africa considered themselves "employees" of Europeans?   I think not.  They were just as cold and ruthless as their European "business partners", but they were muzzies. 

 I think you need to review 'who' ran the slave markets in Amsterdam, Newport, Charleston, and New Orleans and research who owned these ships and shipping business'....who actually ran the slave business    Wait....let me guess   . It must have been the Jews!!
 A good study for anyone interested in history of the USA, and of the world actually. Follow your own words

.TM7
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I see no surprises here at all.

[powderman]

I see no surprises here at all.



Well I do, I'm totally shocked to find out that the Godless ones are involved in slavery. Shocked I tell you. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

what should be shocking is the fact that a number of American blacks converted to Islam

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what should be shocking is the fact that a number of American blacks converted to Islam

Not really , it was in protest to the way they were treated . After the boxer and basket ball star it really took off. now it really has traction .

[powderman]

Many blacks are conscripted in prison where WHITEY put them. The muslims prey on angry and uneducated folks, the dumber they are the easier to convert. Islam thrives on ignorance, a big reason they don't want females to go to school. Too many of the big city blacks are raised with a chip on their shoulder and rebel against an education because they see it as a whitey controlled thing, therefore many of them end up living lives of crime. Bill Cosby is a good example of what they could do with their lives if they really want to. It's not just blacks I'm referring to, there are uneducated whites too who are susceptible to this cancer islam. I saw on the news that our military did a study on prisoners in the GWOI and found that 80% could NOT read or write, that, is how the cancer survives. Islam is a fast growing cancer, a boil on the butt of the ENTIRE world, or GWOI, global war on islam. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm. Off topic  as usual I see, we were discussing your muslim achievements. If ya want to talk about your enemy the Jews start another thread cause they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. POWDERMAN. 

[Dixie Dude]

The Catholic Church under the Jesuits persecuted Jews and Prostestant Christians in Spain from the middle ages.  It wasn't until Napoleon conquered Spain in the early 1800's, that his hardend soldiers were sickened by the tortures they found in Spain of Jews and Prostestants.  Jewish pregnant women were tied to stakes, their stomachs cut open, corn poured in, and hungry hogs released on them as an example.  Catholics were pretty ruthless in their inquisitions.  Jews do not number that many in the total population of the world, can't buy that they controlled the slave trade.  That is why so many Jews migrated to northern Europe to flee the persecution of the Catholics by going to Prostestant countries.  That is why Germany, Poland, and other areas of Central Europe had a high number of Jews for the Nazis to blame and kill.