A HISTORY OF MUSLIM ACHIEVEMENTS.

[ironglow]

MGMorden pointed out that the slaves were gathered and marketed from Africa by Muslims. There were slave dealers of every nationality in places such as New Amsterdam, Charleston and Rio De Janiero etc., but they were "the retailers". No retailer can survive without a "wholesaler"..those were the Muslims.
   At least the rest of the cultures have by now, done away with slavery..but such still survives within Islam. The warlords of Somalia and Erutreia etc often pay their mercenaries in 'slaves' instead of cash. One can easily see where the entire female population of certain Islamic states could be considered as in bondage.

[MGMorden]

Ironglow - I'm sure it's true, but I wasn't the one who mentioned Muslims doing the slave rounding up. 

TM7 - just an observation here, but I think there's some bias showing here. 

Whether or not it's true or not, lets just go by what you've said yourself: you say that Muslims and Pagans were doing the catching.  Jews were doing the bookkeeping and reselling.  White Christians were doing most of the buying . . . and with all those parties involved it's the Jews' fault? 

I can't see that.  If you want to argue that a lot of different groups were at fault, then sure.  Even with what you're presenting though (I haven't studied the slave trade in depth - I minored in history but most of my focus was from 1300AD and prior), you can't blame any one particular group.

Also, the human trafficking centers that I've seen most often are South America, Eastern Bloc/Russia, and parts of Southeast Asia (Thailand and such).  Israel has never appeared to have an above-average presence in that arena.

And I say that just calling it like I see it.  My religious beliefs are known and I certainly don't consider them the "chosen" people or any such nonsense, but they certainly deserve their fair shake just like anyone else, and racism and stereotypes are never a good thing regardless of who we're talking about.

[SHOOTALL]

Is it a wash out since the Jews were on both sides of slavery ?

[gstewart44]

TM - you are very adept at slight of hand, divert attention and change the subject.   However well written you are, you certainly do not know the history that the rest of the entire world knows.    That includes the history of the Islamic expansion into West Africa over the period of 500 years prior to the formation of the USA.    Please try to stay on track.   I know your busy little mind has lots of stuff up in there but it really is bad form to change the subject right in the middle of a good exchange of thougts, and start with your Jew-hating blather.      

Fact: Amsterdam is in the Netherlands, ....in EUROPE.  Even if you meant New Amsterdam, that is not and was not part of the USA.   USA was "born" in 1776.   Everything prior was just EUROPEAN colonies of the Netherlands, England, France and Spain.  

Fact:The Atlantic Slave Trade existed from the 1500's to the early 1800's.   The EUROPEANS received raw materials and rum from the New World, turned it into finished goods in EUROPE.   The EUROPEANS then took the finished goods by ship to West African Islamic kingdoms and traded for human slaves that the African Muzzies had captured.   The EUROPEANS then sailed across the Atlantic on the Middle Passage to deliver the slaves to the European landowners in the New World in exchange for more raw material and thus the triangle is complete. This was taking place 200 years before the USA was a country.

Now try to stay on topic here, I know its hard for you but the OP is History of Muslim Achievements.   I would say that it is quite evident that the African Muzzy Kingdoms perfected the "business" of capturing and trading/selling human slaves for profit to EUROPEANS (portuguese mainly).    

Here's a read for you....try "The Middle Passage" by Charles Johnson.  

[MGMorden]

MGmorden...I didn't say ''mostly Christian whites were doing the buying"...look into who was doing the buying and look into who owned the tobacco, rum, sugar, cotton and rice trades.

Trades are "owned" by merchants.  Merchants don't produce those goods, and hence need no slaves.  Plantation owners purchased those slaves.  Are you now going to tell me that the Southern Aristocracy were secretly Jews?

If you have a "bias towards truth and facts", then we need cites.  Legitimate unbiased historical or scientific sources too; conspiracy blogs need not apply.

[powderman]

If you have a "bias towards truth and facts", then we need cites.  Legitimate unbiased historical or scientific sources too; conspiracy blogs need not apply.



Mgmorden. Good luck with that. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  gstewart must be a latter day prophet!   Back in post # 59 he prophesied that we would find it was the Jews who ran the slave trade. now, that is really prescient..how did he know that?
  Unfortunately, he could never be a Biblical prophet, since a Biblical prophet must always bee 100% correct. He was correct that the accusation was coming, but as for the Jews being major players the info was not correct.
   The investigative volume called "The Slave Trade" gives the gives a researched, scholarly answer as to who was involved and hardly a group in Africa or this side of the Atlantic, can claim immunity from the charge..be they black, brown or white. Although like most others, some Jews were involved, they were minor players.
     
                  http://books.google.com/books?id=lmPFnzXU7o0C&pg=PA301&lpg=PA301&dq=roster+of+slave+dealers+in+Charleston&source=bl&ots=hbmlKcfUpM&sig=9iQCWvlfXa2q1dNizljW1qKbOsg&hl=en&ei=miCeTPGFGYL48AbovrG2Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[ironglow]

  Here is an article outlining the Jewish participation in the slave trade. Yes, it is Wikipedia, but it is interesting to note the American Historical Society had to issue a report explaining the minimal, but actual Jewish participation in the slave trade. They found it necessary to do this in order to counteract the falsehoods in a malicious book printed by the "Nation of Islam" (that's Farrakhan & Co)..called "The Secret Relation between Blacks and Jews".
  Of course, I don't expect anyone here to be taken in and believe anything "Calypso Louis Farrakhan", in his powerful hatred..has to say about the Jews..

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_the_slave_trade

[ironglow]

what should be shocking is the fact that a number of American blacks converted to Islam

   Not shocking or surprising at all;
   In the 1950s the black family looked little different than the average white family, going to church etc.. Depending upon location, some were doing about as well financially, as the whites in their town.
     Once Johnson launched his "war on poverty"..it was more rewarding to kick Dad out of the house and get the free "goodies" from Uncle Sam, than to maintain a cohesive, integral family (ask Bill Cosby). Johnson's war cast the black father into irrelevancy. Without the father figure, discipline suffered, church atterndance ceased and school skipping became the norm. Starting small, these youngsters went from petty to major crimes.
  When they hit the majors, they met the Muslim recruiters and other chaplains. They heard perhaps the first sermons they had ever heard, and already being embittered..they chose the 'hate' sermons, in preference to the 'love' messages. Already outraged by the degrading act of having to participate in "the war on poverty", they weren't interested in love for anybody, but rather were inspired by hate for the whole world.... thus, their attraction to the message of 'hate whitey' and . Truth be known, the black families of the late 1960s should have told Pres Johnson when he offered his freebies.."thanks, but NO thanks".
   Now, four decades later and having squandered trillions of dollars...we have more people in poverty than ever..

    Just my $.02...take it or leave it.

[ironglow]

  This thread did start out listing "Muslim Acheivements"...and every one of you seem to have missed their most recent and perhaps their most ambitious acheivement;
   They got one of theirs elected President of the United States ! 

[P.A. Myers]

I got this today:

Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide. Let's see now... No Jesus, No Christmas, No television, No cheerleaders, No Nude Women, No car races, No football, No soccer, No pork BBQ, No hot dogs, No burgers, No chocolate chip cookies, No lobster, No nachos, No Beer nuts, No alcohol, No Beer !!!!!!!! Rags for clothes and towels for hats. Constant wailing from the guy next-door because he's sick and there are no doctors. Constant wailing from the guy in the tower. On your knees facing east most of the day. More than one wife. You can't shave. Your wives can't shave.. You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung. Your bride is picked by someone else. She smells just like your donkey. Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?   

 

[powderman]

I got this today:

Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide. Let's see now... No Jesus, No Christmas, No television, No cheerleaders, No Nude Women, No car races, No football, No soccer, No pork BBQ, No hot dogs, No burgers, No chocolate chip cookies, No lobster, No nachos, No Beer nuts, No alcohol, No Beer !!!!!!!! Rags for clothes and towels for hats. Constant wailing from the guy next-door because he's sick and there are no doctors. Constant wailing from the guy in the tower. On your knees facing east most of the day. More than one wife. You can't shave. Your wives can't shave.. You can't shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung. Your bride is picked by someone else. She smells just like your donkey. Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!
I mean, really, is there a mystery here?   

 


[HEH. YEP, death probably looks pretty good to them. POWDERMAN. 

[gstewart44]

what should be shocking is the fact that a number of American blacks converted to Islam

   Not shocking or surprising at all;
   In the 1950s the black family looked little different than the average white family, going to church etc.. Depending upon location, some were doing about as well financially, as the whites in their town.
     Once Johnson launched his "war on poverty"..it was more rewarding to kick Dad out of the house and get the free "goodies" from Uncle Sam, than to maintain a cohesive, integral family (ask Bill Cosby). Johnson's war cast the black father into irrelevancy. Without the father figure, discipline suffered, church atterndance ceased and school skipping became the norm. Starting small, these youngsters went from petty to major crimes.
  When they hit the majors, they met the Muslim recruiters and other chaplains. They heard perhaps the first sermons they had ever heard, and already being embittered..they chose the 'hate' sermons, in preference to the 'love' messages. Already outraged by the degrading act of having to participate in "the war on poverty", they weren't interested in love for anybody, but rather were inspired by hate for the whole world.... thus, their attraction to the message of 'hate whitey' and . Truth be known, the black families of the late 1960s should have told Pres Johnson when he offered his freebies.."thanks, but NO thanks".
   Now, four decades later and having squandered trillions of dollars...we have more people in poverty than ever..

    Just my $.02...take it or leave it.

Well said IG.   You hit the nail on the head. 

[gstewart44]

Wow TM - your post #85 was quite informative.   It seems as if you scribed the pages of the Sturmabteilung (Hitler's SA brownshirts) primer for new inductees.    Certainly have a lot of blame for the Jews there.   Matter of fact do you believe in reincarnation?   Do you think you may be one of the Hitler youth reincarnated???   

As far as your claim that I "steered" the topic in the direction taken, you must be blind or just not wanting to reread your own words.  I merely responded directly to your own quotes, nothing more, nothing less.  If you do not like being called out when you start typing your pro Islam/anti Jewish drivel then this is not the  forum for you.   

I used to consider your insight as an educated and worthy debatable opponent..... I guess I was wrong.   It is obvious with your last few posts that you are a committed Jew hater, with a one track view of the world, past and present.  Your attempt at discourse is to bring Jew blaming into every discussion you have.     

Bottom line in keeping with the OP:  History of Muslim Achievements -     Muslim Kingdoms in Western Africa became very wealthy after becoming proficient trading human commodities in the Atlantic Slave trade, (not unlike the Muslim slave trade today in East Africa).    Doesn't matter who else was involved for this topic.....if Jews that you hate so much were complicit in the triangular Atlantic Save Trade , so be it.   It doesn't change the fact that the African Muzzies perfected the business of kidnapping and trading/selling  Africans, on the African Contiinent to Europeans - they were cold businessmen, just like those who transported the slaves across the Atlantic.   

[ironglow]

  No doubt, through the ages different cultures throughout the world did some ghastly and stupid things. No way we can repay those whop were wronged so very long ago....but we can correct injustices today.
  Let's face it, there is (as far as I know) only one culture that openly condones the taking and selling of slaves today. We all know which that is.
  
NOTE: For purposes of discussion I did not include the defacto slavery of people under the yoke of Socialism, Progressiveism, Marxism or Communism..

[powderman]

HEH. Well tm you gave us another muslim achievement, you completely changed the subject again. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Well Charlie, one must defend the muslim animals and try to cast blame on the Jews to perfect thier antisemitism.

[powderman]

Well Charlie, one must defend the muslim animals and try to cast blame on the Jews to perfect thier antisemitism.

BILLY. Ol tm perfected that years ago, can't you tell? POWDERMAN.