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National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« on: September 22, 2010, 06:35:36 AM »
First of all, let me make it plain to everyone.  All navigatiable waters in Alaska belong to the state of Alaska.  The Yuikon River belongs to the State of Alaska.  The Federal Governments authority ends at the high water mark on the river bank.  The only authority they have is patroling the river for people sneaking across the border from Canada.  On that one issue they have authority.  But the Border is a long ways upstream, not down in the Yukn/Charley area.  

As for boat safty inspections, the state does not bother on rivers.  Life Jackets, everyone carries and uses them.  Fire Extinguisher, Few people mess with them.  They get lost, set off by mistake, or just plain forgotten.  Every two or three years I will throw one in my big boat, then it will disappear.  No big deal, I'll get another one someday, no one worries about it when all we are running is small outboards.  Boat registration, again state does not enforce it on rivers, why are the Feds looking to enforce a state issue.  Normally the Feds could care less about state issues.  Boat registration is something new, the folks that live in town usually get their boats registered, because they get checked when the boat is sitting in their driveway or at the local boat ramps around town by city cops.  The folks out in the bush don't have anywhere to register their boats without coming into town, and the State Troopers look the other way.  Some of those older folks may go two, three, or more years without coming into town.  Plus living in the bush, they probably never even heard of registering their boats.  I own seven boats, and have not bothered to register any of them.  Not going to either.

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National Park Service rangers arrest 70-year-old Central man
by Tim Mowry / tmowry@newsminer.com
  
FAIRBANKS — National Park Service rangers arrested a 70-year-old Central man last week on the Yukon River in an incident that has U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski calling for a “full review” of what happened.

In a letter to National Park Service director Jonathon Jarvis, Murkowski asked for an explanation as to why Jim Wilde, a longtime resident of Central, was stopped and arrested following what park service officials said began as a routine safety inspection.

Wilde was arrested by enforcement rangers on Thursday on the bank of the Yukon River in the Yukon-Charley Rivers National Preserve. He spent three days at Fairbanks Correctional Center before he was arraigned in federal court and released on his own recognizance on Monday. Wilde plead not guilty and a trial is set for Nov. 30.

Wilde is charged with four misdemeanors — interfering with agency function; violating a lawful order; disorderly conduct; and operating an unregistered boat. Each is punishable by six months in jail, a $5,000 fine, or both.

Wilde’s attorney, Bill Satterberg, called the arrest the result of “badge-heavy park rangers.”

Satterberg described Wilde as “a classic, old, crusty Alaskan” who will have his day in court.

According to the charges filed by assistant U.S. attorney Stephen Cooper in federal court in Fairbanks, Wilde threatened, resisted, intimidated and intentionally interfered with a park ranger during an official duty; fled when he was ordered to halt; and recklessly created “a risk of public nuisance and violence by engaging in threatening and violent behavior in the form of maneuvering his boat toward the path of a law enforcement vessel, and in other ways.”

Cooper would not elaborate on any details of the case, saying he was “strictly limited to the public record.”

Reached at his home in Central on Tuesday morning, Wilde declined to comment publicly on the case and referred all questions to Satterberg.

According to Satterberg, two park rangers flagged Wilde down as he, his 73-year-old wife, Hannelore, and friend Fred Shank were boating up the Yukon River near Woodchopper Creek, downriver from Eagle, while hunting Thursday. The rangers wanted to board Wilde’s boat to perform a safety inspection, Satterberg said. Wilde told the rangers it was unsafe to board his boat in the middle of the river and said he would go ashore, according to the attorney.

“Nobody boards each other on the Yukon River,” Satterberg said.

As Wilde motored to shore, the park rangers followed him. One of the park rangers had a shotgun pointed at Wilde as he headed toward shore, Satterberg said.

After reaching shore, Wilde was anchoring his boat when “the next thing you know he was knocked to the ground,” Satterberg said. “They roughed him up a little bit by rolling him around in the mud.”

One of the park rangers then drove Wilde’s boat and the two passengers to a park service cabin about five miles away where they stayed until Saturday when a friend picked them up.

Wilde was transported to Eagle on Thursday and then to Fairbanks Correctional Center on Friday.

Murkowski issued a news release late Tuesday afternoon calling the circumstances of the arrest “questionable” and the behavior of the arresting officers as “provocative.”

“The initial reports I’ve received indicate that Park Service personnel overreacted in this case,” said Murkowski, who is involved in a campaign to keep her seat in the Nov. 2 election. “This incident calls for a full review of exactly what happened.”

National Park Service spokesman John Quinley declined to discuss any details about the incident and said the charges against Wilde “stemmed from what began as routine contact with a boater on the Yukon River.”

Quinley said the park service annually conducts more than 100 such inspections in the preserve.

“The kinds of things we’re looking at are life preservers, fire extinguishers, boat registration, hunting licenses and tags if it’s hunting season,” he said.

As far as Murkowski’s request for a review of the incident, Quinley said “that’s between the director of the park service and Sen. Murkowski.”

“The park service will respond to her letter but what it says and when it’s said will be up to the director,” Quinley said.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 06:58:41 AM »
A Prediction: the officers will say - or their Bosses will say - they felt threatened or acted for the officer's safety.

Works every time, in excusing behavior by LEO that would get me shot or tossed into prison.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 07:11:14 AM »
I heard a week ago from a friend that works for US Fish and Wildlife, something was coming down that would get the states attention.  US Fish and Wildlife and the National Park Service have been overstepping their bounds lately and pushing the state authorities around.  Unfortunately our state governor Sean Parnell calls them out then backs down.  Either he takes a stand or he lets the Feds take over Alaska.  They have been pushing for the kind of authority they had back when Alaska was a territory.  And since the Feds own 74% of Alaska, that will make one big National Park.

Got an e-mail early this morning before I got the paper that something has happened at Yukon/Charley and we need to meet today.  This is from one of the working groups I am affiliated with.  Curious to see what is going to happen.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 07:13:25 AM »
"Cooper would not elaborate on any details of the case, saying he was “strictly limited to the public record.”

Let us know when the tightlipped officials release "The rest of the story."
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 07:22:44 AM »
I've met Jim Wilde, I don't know him as a friend, but I have met him.  Seems like a rather nice fellow from what I remember, and the little I know of him.  After our meeting today maybe I can shed some more light on this.

To me at this point it just looks like the Feds are being a little heavy handed, and are trying to push the envelope.  We know they are looking for an issue to take the state to court over to try and get more control of hunting and fishing in the state.  They are looking to take over all game regulations on Federal Lands in Alaska.  That's 74% of Alaska.  Alaska is the only state where the Feds control who can hunt on federal lands.  The Feds discriminate by race for hunting privileges.

Well it's almost 8:30 got to head into town.  Rog
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 07:58:00 AM »
WOW. Don't know the size of the boat in question but if small it would be totally ignorant to insist on boarding in the middle of a river. The feds have NO BUSINESS patrolling State owned waters. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 10:13:25 AM »
Feds at all levels and in all agencies are out of control. Here in Bama on the news last night a reporter took a shovel down to the beach. The plan was to dig down a bit to see if any oil was still hiding down below the surface level on our beaches as a result of the oil spill in the gulf.

He was run off at one point by a plain clothes guy who said he was a Federal Fish and Wildlife guy and told to go down the beach a bit or he would call federal authorites to arrest him.

The reporter moved to where he was told to go and was immediately met by a uniformed Park Service officer who told him he could not dig in a national park PERIOD. The reporter asked if that means it's illegal to make a sand castle. The park service guy asked is that what you intended to do. The reporter again asked is that illegal and was told yes you cannot dig PERIOD.

Even BP who is supposed to be cleaning up the beaches is allowed to dig only 6" deep. The reporter showed some BP folks digging that 6" deep and the sand at that level was totally black with oil. The Park Service guy told them to stop filming or be arrested.

What the hell is going on in this country?


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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 11:14:00 AM »
the people are being controlled.  this is just a small part of the big plan.  I predict war in the near future.
you may see alaskans sneaking across the border into russia for more freedom.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 11:28:32 AM »
The Park Service guy told them to stop filming or be arrested.

What the hell is going on in this country?

Something is very broken, there. Even worse, not enough people raising hell about it. Reading your post moves me to profanity, so I'd better stop writing right now befo.............
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 11:55:37 AM »
The Park Service guy told them to stop filming or be arrested.

What the hell is going on in this country?

Something is very broken, there. Even worse, not enough people raising hell about it. Reading your post moves me to profanity, so I'd better stop writing right now befo.............
i think  what is broken is we voters . we put people in office on promises  they cant keep.the biggest problem is people staying in office for more than two terms. sen.and rep.should be strickly a state issue we dont need a national committee pooring cash into some guy/gal that they want in office its like we got u here now scratch are back thing. well you guys get the picture. now im going to shoot my rifle some wile i steal can

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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 12:05:47 PM »
GB. Does the sand on the beach show black on the surface, or does the top appear clean??? Was the beach actually designated a park, or is the park service simply in charge of the beaches???? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2010, 12:14:07 PM »
There are some national seashores down there, Ft. Morgan is one I think operated by the park service.  However, if the reporter went to a hotel/condo area along the beach next to the national seashore and dug, he might have found or not found something.  I've heard when Obama went down to check it out, the graded fresh sand over where oil had come ashore.  May have to go down and check it out myself.

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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 02:21:30 PM »
DIXIE DUDE. Please do and let us know. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 03:32:40 PM »
Oil cleanups are often a joke. I was in Seward a few years after the Exxon Valdez. The locals told us about these great jobs steam cleaning rocks to save the wildlife. Yah, you burn the life off the rocks meanwhile ignoring the pools of oil next to them. Anyway, they were real pleased with the hourly rate.

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2010, 05:40:13 AM »
GB. Does the sand on the beach show black on the surface, or does the top appear clean??? Was the beach actually designated a park, or is the park service simply in charge of the beaches???? POWDERMAN.  :o :o

I don't know the specifies Charlie just that the Parks guy said it was a under the Nat. Park system and no digging allowed. The sand on top looked nice and clean but in an area where they had dug the allowed 6" down it was almost solid black with oil going down who knows how far. Ya can't clean up the spill if you aren't allowed to dig down to where it is.

There is a lot more going on down there than we are hearing about.


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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2010, 07:41:58 AM »
I find it telling that the federal government wants to enforce Alaska's state laws, but get their panties in a wad when Arizona wants to enforce immigration laws.

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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2010, 08:08:27 AM »
The feds own 74% of Alaska? :o  If the fed would check the Constitution they are only allowed to own what is neccessary for the function of gooberment and its defense. ie property for capitol bldgs and gov't function, military bases. Thats pretty much it.

 Happeneing ALL over the USA.ALL LEO getting heavy badged/handed. Its easy money/revenue, we ain't gonna stop that.Besides, its us against them remember? "Anybody who isn't a cop is guilty of something", and "you are not going to help me when I'm in trouble, only a fellow officer is". COPS of ALL flavors will label  somebody a criminal before they label him a FREE AMERICAN!

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2010, 08:18:57 AM »
Remember fellow servile citizens, we are here to serve our masters in corrupt totalitarian gooberment.

it is getting harder and harder for me to kowtow to that, and saying so is ever more dangerous. Make me dictator, folks, and we'll right things in America - boy, will we right some things.

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TIP: any of you who are divorce lawyers, should find another profession real quick.

Waay to profitable unless more and more folks just shack up,have a kidlet or two..............oh wait that is happening now.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2010, 09:40:22 AM »
My wife is a Paralegal and worked in prosacution while she was in the Military.  She was indoctrinated with the belief that "If they were not guilty they would not be here".  That doctrine has always kept her off jury duty both before and after she retired.  She always backed the cops, no matter what happened.  Till her own son was set up and abused by a local cop, simply because he was a Teenager and driving a hot truck. 

Pat/Rick:  The feds were supposed to turn over much of that land after statehood, but have been dragging their feet.  Now they are placing more and more of it into Parks and Preserves.  They are constantly expanding all the Parks and Preserves by a few hundred acres here and there.  Little by little they are turning the entire state into one big park and preserve.

When a hunter is out hunting the Park Service has a habit of landing in a chopper and checking the hunting party out looking for anything they can find.  If they look hard enough they will find something.  They often ask the hunter "Are you inside the park"?  The hunter replies, "No I'm not, don't you know where the boundry is"?  The Ranger always replies, "No, I don't need to know.  You're the hunter you need to know".  The Park Rangers do not know their boundries, the lines have never been survayed, they are just a line someone drew on a map using a straight edge.  And since the lines are moving every year or so who can keep up with the boundry.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2010, 09:47:09 AM »
My wife is a Paralegal and worked in prosacution while she was in the Military.  She was indoctrinated with the belief that "If they were not guilty they would not be here".  That doctrine has always kept her off jury duty both before and after she retired.  She always backed the cops, no matter what happened.  Till her own son was set up and abused by a local cop, simply because he was a Teenager and driving a hot truck.  
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When a hunter is out hunting the Park Service has a habit of landing in a chopper and checking the hunting party out looking for anything they can find.  If they look hard enough they will find something.  They often ask the hunter "Are you inside the park"?  The hunter replies, "No I'm not, don't you know where the boundry is"?  The Ranger always replies, "No, I don't need to know.  You're the hunter you need to know".
Now that kind of hubris & arrogance just pisses me off.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2010, 11:01:07 AM »
I want to ensure that all here do not think that I am saying ALL LEO's are bad people. Certainly is not the case. I do believe that the scope of law enforcement is changing. I do believe that the future will bring more control and more, harsher penalties. It seems that ALL LE agencies have been given a free hand to interpret the law as they see fit. They charge people with resisting, when they have EVERY RIGHT to resist TYRANNY. Our gov't will usurp more and more power until our Liberties are all but gone,(getting closer aren't we?). When people resist enough they are gunned down and labelled criminals.

Military courts martials are designed to convict. Not absolve.

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2010, 11:30:32 AM »
From what I saw the Military courts martial’s offer a far superior justice than civilian courts. Far less BS, There is nothing political in a Military courts martial. The prosecutor is not going to be elected mayor or governor.
  They have no dog in the fight and will not benefit if the guy is convicted or acquitted.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2010, 03:10:22 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2010, 04:44:20 PM »
Hey man! Like dude! Like in the 70s man...we called them "the pigs", man. And everybody thought, like, we were disrespectful punks, man, like just because we called cops the pigs and we had swastika tattoos on our forearms. Like, man. We were trying to warn you man. The swastikas, man, like that was a bad idea man. We thought Hitler must be really cool because they made so many movies about him and old people didn't like him, but man, we were dead right about the pigs, man. Like we attracted attention while most people that just went to work were left alone because they conformed. But the pigs were beating us and hassling us and locking us up for no reason and taking our stuff away and all that, man. You know, man, they are worse today than they were then.

When we were hanging out smoking reefer, man, some pig that looked like Joe Friday would come up and hassle us, and even when we weren't smoking reefer. But man, today they bring a whole swat team and some pigs with battering rams and killer dogs and break your door down and they rip everything up and wreck the house or your car or whatever.

Like, man, they don't just do it to hip people anymore. Now they do it to old ladies and little kids and guys that work. So what are you complaining about, man? We tried to tell you but you thought it couldn't happen to you.

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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2010, 05:39:41 PM »
BILL. Thanks for the reply. Our news says nothing of this and I suspect it is not widely known. More govt coverup. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2010, 05:01:12 AM »
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2010, 05:19:02 AM »
Where is a Robin Hood type guy when ya need one ? ;)
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2010, 05:36:50 AM »
I think Public Lands have become the proving ground for Federal Police Powers.  I have seen these lands change from user friendly to very controled.  The arming of every kind of Federal Officer has been alarming.
We have armed Forest Rangers, BLM Rangers, Etc. The government claims that they are in danger from the citizens.  That same government claims citizens do not need arms??  You can hardly travel across camp or hunt on Public Lands without an encounter with a Federal Agent asking you for your papers. While digging a fire pit in the desert you can be accused of diggin for artifacts on public lands and arrested.  Here in Wyoming we have about 60% Public Lands or now Gestapo Range??

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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2010, 05:43:06 AM »
And don't forget most have SWAT teams now . And don't forget the don't use lose it attitude of govt.
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