New Social Engineering Bill to remove you from country living

[TM7]

fyi....,...removal to ant farms......TM7
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Social Engineering Bill In Senate Will Force You Into City
http://theintelhub.com/2010/09/11/social-engineering-bill-in-senate-will-force-you-into-city/
September 10, 2010, the Intel Hub
by Bob Livingston

A social engineering bill to restrict residence in the suburbs and rural areas and force Americans into city centers has passed the United States Senate Banking Committee (?) and is on the fast track to passage in the Senate.

The bill is called the Livable Communities Act (SB 1619) and it was introduced by corruptocrat outgoing Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.). It seeks to fulfill the United Nation’s plan Agenda 21, adopted at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and signed onto by “New World Order” President George H.W. Bush.

This bill is designed to destroy your community. According to the non-profit American Policy Center the bill:

Is a blueprint for the transformation of our society into total Federal control.

Will enforce Federal Sustainable Development zoning and control of local communities.

Will create a massive new “development” bureaucracy.

Will drive up the cost of energy to heat and cool your home.

Will drive up the cost of gasoline as a way to get you out of your car.

Will force you to spend thousands of dollars on your home in order to comply.

A carrot and stick policy will be used to get your local government to sign on. The carrot is billions of dollars in grants available if your local government agrees to amend zoning laws that restrict housing in outlying areas, forcing people to give up their homes and land and move into the city center.

The stick will be denial of the funds and bad publicity generated by “Green” organizations criticizing government officials for turning down free money.

The rub is the grants will come with strings attached that force local governments to bend to the will of the Feds.

The idea of these social engineering initiatives is to force people to live in a congested area in high rise buildings with housing on the upper floors and stores on the bottom. The whole area will be linked by mass transit creating the “utopian” communities loved by socialists.

The result will be higher costs for housing (because overcrowding will make housing space a premium) and goods and services (because of less choice and competition) and less freedom to move about (because cars won’t be necessary and parking space will be prohibitively expensive).

As we pointed out here President Barack Obama is — not surprisingly — an advocate of this type of nonsense. And his cabinet is populated by elitists who think they know better than you how you should live.

It is imperative that you call your two Senators immediately and tell them to oppose Dodd’s SB1619.

 

[lakota]

Full text of the bill:http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Newsroom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=3945b999-0514-87f8-bc1c-c6070a17de2f
I commute a long distance to work because I CHOOSE to do so. I dont need to be "rescued" from my "situation" by the government.
I WILL DIE BEFORE I MOVE TO A CITY

[DDZ]

Full text of the bill:http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Newsroom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=3945b999-0514-87f8-bc1c-c6070a17de2f
I commute a long distance to work because I CHOOSE to do so. I dont need to be "rescued" from my "situation" by the government.
I WILL DIE BEFORE I MOVE TO A CITY

Me too! I'll never move to a city. For me, that would be like dieing. As senseless as this bill sounds, this is what the elitist's want. Notice how they make it sound so peachy and rosy. Like we should fall to our knees and thank them for saving us from ourselves. I didn't read the whole thing, just part of it made me nauseated.   

As I've said before, Obama and many others hate this nation as it is. They hate a free people living life as they choose. They hate people that are self dependent. They hate people having extra money in their pocket, because they think they are entitled to it, so they can better spend it for you. They hate people owning firearms. Basically they hate any freedom that you and I have, and they will do anything they can to take it from us.

[Datil]

DDZ you said it right be cold in hell when I move into a big city!

 Datil

[DalesCarpentry]

Ilived in big cities was I was younger and will never do that again. There is almost no crime where I live now and like it that way. Dale

[crustylicious]

It may not be to your liking but there is some validity to encouraging people to live in denser areas. Especially when you consider how addicted to the automobile we are.

 Have you read the book "The Geography of Nowhere" by James Howard Kunstler
The Geography of Nowhere traces America's evolution from a nation of Main Streets and coherent communities to a land where every place is like no place in particular, where the cities are dead zones and the countryside is a wasteland of cartoon architecture and parking lots.

In elegant and often hilarious prose, Kunstler depicts our nation's evolution from the Pilgrim settlements to the modern auto suburb in all its ghastliness. The Geography of Nowhere tallies up the huge economic, social, and spiritual costs that America is paying for its car-crazed lifestyle. It is also a wake-up call for citizens to reinvent the places where we live and work, to build communities that are once again worthy of our affection. Kunstler proposes that by reviving civic art and civic life, we will rediscover public virtue and a new vision of the common good. "The future will require us to build better places," Kunstler says, "or the future will belong to other people in other societies."

It's alredy happening where I live and I'm in the middle of the Rocky mountains where there is a ton of open space. Our town is encouraging denser development and trying to stop sprawl, all in an effort to preserve open space.

If you don't want to live in a city you'll have to become a farmer and work outside all the time!

[powderman]

BALONEY. POWDERMAN. 

[Hooker]

Pat

[MGMorden]

I'm not seeing the same doom and gloom when I read this.  I just skimmed over the entire text of the article and the jist I got was:

More people living farther from work are driving and it's creating traffic problems.  Traffic problems cause everyone trouble, and heavy traffic in the city where some people might otherwise actually want to live is causing people to live farther out, further contributing to the problem.

The proposal to me looks like the intent is to simply engineer the roads a little better and invest in public transit systems like rail so that people don't have to drive if they don't want to.

In short, this looks far more like a bill to make living in the city more realistic for people who actually want to live there, rather than trying to force anyone there who doesn't want to be there.

Far more "lets make living in the city more attractive" from my reading than "Lets round 'em up and ship 'em to main street!".

[powderman]

Pat

YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[lakota]

It may not be to your liking but there is some validity to encouraging people to live in denser areas. Especially when you consider how addicted to the automobile we are.

 Have you read the book "The Geography of Nowhere" by James Howard Kunstler
The Geography of Nowhere traces America's evolution from a nation of Main Streets and coherent communities to a land where every place is like no place in particular, where the cities are dead zones and the countryside is a wasteland of cartoon architecture and parking lots.

In elegant and often hilarious prose, Kunstler depicts our nation's evolution from the Pilgrim settlements to the modern auto suburb in all its ghastliness. The Geography of Nowhere tallies up the huge economic, social, and spiritual costs that America is paying for its car-crazed lifestyle. It is also a wake-up call for citizens to reinvent the places where we live and work, to build communities that are once again worthy of our affection. Kunstler proposes that by reviving civic art and civic life, we will rediscover public virtue and a new vision of the common good. "The future will require us to build better places," Kunstler says, "or the future will belong to other people in other societies."

It's alredy happening where I live and I'm in the middle of the Rocky mountains where there is a ton of open space. Our town is encouraging denser development and trying to stop sprawl, all in an effort to preserve open space.

If you don't want to live in a city you'll have to become a farmer and work outside all the time!

Move to a city if you are so hot for it but dont try to tell me that it is right for me.

I'm not seeing the same doom and gloom when I read this.  I just skimmed over the entire text of the article and the jist I got was:

More people living farther from work are driving and it's creating traffic problems.  Traffic problems cause everyone trouble, and heavy traffic in the city where some people might otherwise actually want to live is causing people to live farther out, further contributing to the problem.

The proposal to me looks like the intent is to simply engineer the roads a little better and invest in public transit systems like rail so that people don't have to drive if they don't want to.

In short, this looks far more like a bill to make living in the city more realistic for people who actually want to live there, rather than trying to force anyone there who doesn't want to be there.

Far more "lets make living in the city more attractive" from my reading than "Lets round 'em up and ship 'em to main street!".

Do you really trust that they have our best interests in mind when they come up with this crapola?

[MGMorden]

Do you really trust that they have our best interests in mind when they come up with this crapola?

Eh, it depends.  Still, this was basically presented as a plan to force Americans to move to the inner city.  From my reading, I'm just not seeing that.  It looks like a bill to subsidize road and public transportation development.  Whether or not you agree with THAT is another issue entirely, but at most I see a waste of funds - certainly not some evil plot to relocate us.

[billy_56081]

I've heard this silly story for years around here. The story was that they were going to move everyone into town, remove most of the rural roads then farm huge tracts and spray the feilds with C130's. Sounds like a bunch of old farmers yapping at coffee.

[Oldshooter]

No doubt in my mind that these SOB's would pass some sort of BS legislation like that! These are the sorry SOB's that gave us obama care, right? They think they are insulated from the effects of this just like they are from obama care, and maybe they are but I'll go feet first, thank you very much!

Thinking ahead though, wouldn't it be a grand fire fight in the inner city for a short time anyway!!!!!   


Read the first part without the acronyms, and you'll get the feel of where I'm really coming from!!

[skarke]

OMG.

[gypsyman]

HHMMM, makes me think. Before they try something like this, would they have to have a cleansing of the inner city's?? gypsyman

[magooch]

Portland, Oregon has been in the process of this kind of idiocy for years.  It doesn't work.  That city is now stuck with a light rail and bus system that is a nightmare of waste and corruption; there are thousands of empty overpriced high rise apartments that are a boondoggle that will no doubt go to ruin and the city is run by a queer mayor and a bunch of stupid liberals.  Social engineering is the dream of elitist know-it-alls who would have us all live like rats in a cluster.

The net result if the elite were to prevail in their plans would be that liberals would also prevail politically.  Look at where most of the liberal votes come from.  They sure as heck don't come from the hinterlands

[guzzijohn]

To some extent we already have something like this with many rural zoning laws. For example where I live you have to own a minimum of 40 acres to live on the property. This is done to restrict residential development on current farm lands that are going to be needed. From how I read this why all the paranoia?

This bill is about helping our communities meet vital future needs, in a flexible, fiscally responsible and environmentally sustainable way, while also increasing transportation and housing choices for our citizens.”
 

It appears to me that this is responsible future planning. By the way I plan to go into the tin foil hat business so please start sending me your orders. Discounts on five or more.
GuzziJohn

[jhm]

I wish they would start tomarrow my closest neighbor is a 1/4 mile away and he is only there on the weekends, Im 1 mile from a state park and 7 miles from town so people are getting too close already, I can live the rest of my life here on the place, dont need anything from the govm. plenty to eat my closest neighbor has several horses and some cattle, I sold all my cattle but still know how to shoot them and cook them  .   LET IT HAPPEN   Jim

[beerbelly]

The tax paying public has left the cities to the black ghetto dwellers. So they are broke. This is to force the people that work and pay taxes back into the ghetto. So they can pay the freight!
  It is to force diversity on you whether you want it or not. If we are not already ruled by power mad dictators, we soon will be!
                               Beerbelly

[Pat/Rick]

Portland, Oregon has been in the process of this kind of idiocy for years.  It doesn't work.  That city is now stuck with a light rail and bus system that is a nightmare of waste and corruption; there are thousands of empty overpriced high rise apartments that are a boondoggle that will no doubt go to ruin and the city is run by a queer mayor and a bunch of stupid liberals.  Social engineering is the dream of elitist know-it-alls who would have us all live like rats in a cluster.

The net result if the elite were to prevail in their plans would be that liberals would also prevail politically.  Look at where most of the liberal votes come from.  They sure as heck don't come from the hinterlands

Portlands light rail is a FAILURE fed grant money covers part of the riders ticket. If METRO charged what it really cost per passenger trip, nobody could afford it daily. PDX Metro also limits garage door sizes on new built homes to 10 or 12 feet wide. Limiting to one car per family with not enough curb parking. I don't live there but close, Washingtonians in SW get news from PDX so we often times know more about OR than WA. I WILL NOT move back into a city to live , EVER.

MGM, People driving are not causing the traffic problems. IT was partly the absence of foresight with planners that caused the traffic problems. When I-5 was constructed through WA state out of state planners told them to build it bigger, WA didn't want to spend the money to make it bigger and they have been working on it ever since. Another part is state redirecting gas taxes to other projects than road repair and construction. It is not the sole fault of commuters.

[MGMorden]

MGM, People driving are not causing the traffic problems. IT was partly the absence of foresight with planners that caused the traffic problems. When I-5 was constructed through WA state out of state planners told them to build it bigger, WA didn't want to spend the money to make it bigger and they have been working on it ever since. Another part is state redirecting gas taxes to other projects than road repair and construction. It is not the sole fault of commuters.

That seems to be what this is addressing though.  It's not looking to reduce traffic by forcing people to move into the cities - it's looking to reduce traffic by better engineering the roads and public transport options, and once the traffic dies down due to that, more people would move into the city.   

Just read it people.  It's an infrastructure improvement plan.  As said, you might disagree with the appropriation of funds here, but only the paranoid could interpret this as some conspiracy to force people into the cities.

[powderman]

HHMMM, makes me think. Before they try something like this, would they have to have a cleansing of the inner city's?? gypsyman

HEH. Move enough of us country boys to the city and I guarantee you a cleansing. POWDERMAN. 

[Pat/Rick]

Just re read the story, I still do not see any good coming from it. Sounds still, like the gooberment will be mandating the lifestyles of those that yield.

[DDZ]

Sense when is it Chris Dodd's, and his buddies concern if they think someone is driving to far to work. If a person is driving 100 miles to work is it not their choice to do so? Or do we need a Chris Dodd to tell us we are driving to far to work, that we should move into a city.
I guess some people just need to be told how to live, and have their money spent for them. I guess its the reason we have a Pres. and congress like we do.
Even if the bill isn't meant to uproot people and move them to a city. Its surely full of more government intervention and power grabbing. I guess that is just fine with some also. If you can't see that open your eyes a bit further.
How many times are people going to believe people like Chris Dodd? Hasn't the whole bunch lied enough, to be viewed as untrustworthy? How many times are some going to be deceived, into thinking that Chris Dodd and the rest of the rotten bunch have the people's best interest in mind?

[Oldshooter]

To some extent we already have something like this with many rural zoning laws. For example where I live you have to own a minimum of 40 acres to live on the property. This is done to restrict residential development on current farm lands that are going to be needed. From how I read this why all the paranoia?

This bill is about helping our communities meet vital future needs, in a flexible, fiscally responsible and environmentally sustainable way, while also increasing transportation and housing choices for our citizens.”
 

It appears to me that this is responsible future planning. By the way I plan to go into the tin foil hat business so please start sending me your orders. Discounts on five or more.
GuzziJohn

After we have all seen the beautiful way you liberal folk start simple and come from behind the screen with not so simple Tyranny , You cant blame us for being sceptical.
What part of protecting the country and delivering the mail don't you understand? and by the way if your tin foil hat business is successful obama will want a big chunk of that to redistribute!   

Chris dodd my acking back side!

[guzzijohn]

Quote from TM7:

guzzijohn...what I think they're saying is whatever the upside is in this legislation,,,,if the gov is involved...there's a big downside as far as regular folks are involved. Just the way the pattern is.

I can understand that. I just kind of get tired of some of the folks that seem to be able to find a conspiracy behind every bush. It must be a tough life living with that kind of mindset.
GuzziJohn

[Oldshooter]

Quote from TM7:

guzzijohn...what I think they're saying is whatever the upside is in this legislation,,,,if the gov is involved...there's a big downside as far as regular folks are involved. Just the way the pattern is.

I can understand that. I just kind of get tired of some of the folks that seem to be able to find a conspiracy behind every bush. It must be a tough life living with that kind of mindset.
GuzziJohn

YA GET THAT WAY FROM LIVING LONG ENOUGHT TO SEE WHAT BIG GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT! And its only the Government that I FEAR

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Oldshooter:

YA GET THAT WAY FROM LIVING LONG ENOUGHT TO SEE WHAT BIG GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT! And its only the Government that I FEAR

I am 55, how old do you need to be before you start seeing a conspiracy behind every bush?
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

If they move all us right wings back in to the city it will dilute the liberal vote !  Is that a bad thing ?