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Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« on: September 24, 2010, 07:23:16 AM »
I also posted under the cast bullet forum, but thought I might get better response here.......
Im considering a Lee 310 gr flat nose mold for a Ruger Redhawk 7.5 inch barrel.  First will this perform well in a revolver?  2nd what are some loads that would perform well on Whitetails? And last what are some mild plinking/practice loads?
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 03:48:22 PM »
Well not sure what caliber you're loading, but sounds like it might be .45 Colt.  In my .45 colt, I use 255 gr. LSWC leads and 11 gr. unique, but that is a Ruger level load, so if you aren't using a Ruger, might want to keep it at 9 or 10.  I use 9 gr. Unique and a 200 gr. RNFP for longer range plinking/varmints.  That 310 gr. flatnose will have no issue putting a deer down.  I have loaded a lot of my 200 gr. with 6gr. unique for true plinking and you might consider Trailboss as it's easier to avoid double charging and a lot of folks here report moderate to good success with those loads.  If you reply back with the caliber and gun model, we might be able to give you some further ideas.  ;)
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads? for .44 Mag
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 04:05:29 PM »
Sorry,  for the .44 magnum.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 06:02:07 PM »
Ah, that's heavier lead than most loads I've read of in .44 mag.  Sorry though, I don't load that caliber.  I'm sure some others will chime in that have though.  8)
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 06:56:30 PM »
17 grains of Lil'Gun is good, as is 21 grains of H110. At least it works well in my SRH.
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 08:44:59 PM »
I also posted under the cast bullet forum, but thought I might get better response here.......
Im considering a Lee 310 gr flat nose mold for a Ruger Redhawk 7.5 inch barrel.  First will this perform well in a revolver?  2nd what are some loads that would perform well on Whitetails? And last what are some mild plinking/practice loads?
Thanx
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 07:09:00 AM »
21.0grs H110 + the 310gr WFNGC for me and my SBH.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 07:04:26 PM »
I will say that I have loaded some of the Lee 310 grain bacon bombers for my NEF Handi Rifle with my Lee Classic Loader and I have had respectable accuracy at 50 yards using Winchester cases and Remmy primers.  Recoil is not too bad either.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 07:25:08 PM »
Forgot to mention I was using Blue Dot powder, Winny cases and remmy primers.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 02:11:15 PM »
I suggest loading one- or two-only Lee 310 @ 1100 fps and shooting them for a recoil test before you load a bunch.  One might be enough!

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 06:13:06 PM »
I suggest loading one- or two-only Lee 310 @ 1100 fps and shooting them for a recoil test before you load a bunch.  One might be enough!

 I just bought a box of those Buffalo Bore +P+ 340 grains that are supposed to get 1478fps out of a 7.5" barrel. I have spoken to many people that dont like them becuase they say the recoil is so crazy that they cant really shoot them accurately. I suspect that will be the case with me as well,but it should be fun to take them out to the range this weekend and see just how bad recoil gets on my SBH.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 05:11:18 AM »
I suggest loading one- or two-only Lee 310 @ 1100 fps and shooting them for a recoil test before you load a bunch.  One might be enough!

 I just bought a box of those Buffalo Bore +P+ 340 grains that are supposed to get 1478fps out of a 7.5" barrel. I have spoken to many people that dont like them becuase they say the recoil is so crazy that they cant really shoot them accurately. I suspect that will be the case with me as well,but it should be fun to take them out to the range this weekend and see just how bad recoil gets on my SBH.
It might get bad enough to break your wrist.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 09:25:15 AM »
Not if you do it correctly....
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2010, 04:19:38 PM »
  I don't know why you NEED a bullet THAT big . I've killed whitetails with 200 grain .44mag bullets.! A big hole in the wrong place isn't a good thing. I wish you great success with this, as I have tried similar things in MY youth. Now age and health concerns limit me to milder shooting.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2010, 05:51:25 PM »
I suggest loading one- or two-only Lee 310 @ 1100 fps and shooting them for a recoil test before you load a bunch.  One might be enough!

 I just bought a box of those Buffalo Bore +P+ 340 grains that are supposed to get 1478fps out of a 7.5" barrel. I have spoken to many people that dont like them becuase they say the recoil is so crazy that they cant really shoot them accurately. I suspect that will be the case with me as well,but it should be fun to take them out to the range this weekend and see just how bad recoil gets on my SBH.
It might get bad enough to break your wrist.
I just tried them today. The are not nearly as bad as I thought they would be. They do recoil significantly more than the Remington I was using,but its not like you feel pain or that your wrist is going to break or dislocate with each shot. After 10 of them you definitely know your shooting something more than a normal 44magnum load though. I know some people go on about how they are just too big and why would anyone want them. The fact is though,they carry as much energy as a 454 Casull. Thats like saying "who would ever want a 454,which people DID say,untill something bigger came out,then those people went and BOUGHT a 454 and say "Who would want anything as big as 500S&W". I wanted something in this range but a SBH was in my budget. The SBH with these seems to work rather well. Im not particularly accurate with the SBH,but then again,I haven't used revolvers,much less a handgun of this kind of power and size before,so its not surprising. With some practice of course there is no reason it wont be very accurate and the BB +P+ loads dont seem any LESS accurate than the Remingtons.

 I do have to say one thing,the SBH is a load of fun to shoot,and the BB ammo takes it up a notch. If it wasn't $1.75 a shot I would shoot a lot more of it. Its probobally better for the gun though that I cant really afford to shoot much of it. (I did find an interesting bit of trivia last week. I emailed BB and asked them what pressures these were running,and they told me it was around 45000PSI)

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2010, 03:18:36 AM »
I suggest loading one- or two-only Lee 310 @ 1100 fps and shooting them for a recoil test before you load a bunch.  One might be enough!
I forgot something.  For ~1100 fps loads in my SBH I don't use a gas check on the Lee C310.  No difference in accuracy and no leading.  Alloy is ACWW and lube is two coats of LLA.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2010, 04:07:16 AM »
For deer loads in the .44 magnum, I'd think that any good hard-cast ~240~ grain bullet should be more than adequate.  My hog load is a Lee TL430-240-SWC, cast from wheelweights and lubed with Liquid Alox.  I load it over 19.0 grains of Alliant 2400 for 1350 fps from my 7.5" Ruger. 

By buddy Junior Doughty tried the 310 bullet in his SBH and reported that the recoil was excessive and that he's stepped back to the 240 grain bullet.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2010, 06:28:03 PM »
Paw Paw Thank you for the link to your buddy junior, he is my kind of people, very interesting fellow. I booked marked his page and will be sending him an order for the fiber optic rods. I will  look for him over on cast bullets. Gun people are the best thanks again. Mtn Jack
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2010, 12:31:53 PM »
Yea, it'll kill deer with no problem, as well as black bears, grizzley bears, cape buffalo and semi-trucks  ;D ::)


Seriousle though, a 240 gr swc will do the same job on deer and hogs with a lot less recoil.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2010, 03:48:00 PM »
I think he was looking for a one-size fits all load, and heavier is better is a good idea for pigs and black bears.  I do agree that a .430 240 gr SWC will be good, or he can step up to a 250 gr LFNGC from beartooth bullets, which would be even better.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2010, 03:09:28 PM »
czvz
Try 16/H-110 with mag. primer as a fairly civilized practice load. Quite accurate in my SBH. Can go to 20/H-110 in MY pistol. I have found that 16 and 18 grains group the best in my SBH. I use Hornady G.C and SPG lube. #2 alloy. Heavy crimp. Don't let anyone tell you heavy bullets aren't needed. You never know when you may have to stop an oliphant and it's just plain fun!

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2010, 03:53:09 PM »
Just grab some .44 ammo and put  it through the lungs. No heavy or fast bullet needed.......   

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2010, 03:09:09 AM »
  I don't know why you NEED a bullet THAT big . I've killed whitetails with 200 grain .44mag bullets.! A big hole in the wrong place isn't a good thing. I wish you great success with this, as I have tried similar things in MY youth. Now age and health concerns limit me to milder shooting.

History would agree with you.  Over the decades, prior to the 44 magnum, how many whitetails were killed with a 44-40, cast bullet, arount 200 grains?  More than we all can count. The 44 magnum throws them out faster than the old 44-40, so even without going to a 310 bullet, that caliber has always done the job too. For "milder shooting", as well as accuracy and a nice, effective flat nose, the Lyman 429215 at around 210 grains or so can be a good , comfortable and effective one.  Good luck, CZVZ.     

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 01:47:37 PM »
For deer it would be a trip to the local gunstore and pick up some 240 gr SWC or JHP or JSP.  No need to hot rod a good deer load. I would save those for big hogs, bear, etc...

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 05:23:50 PM »
I never was able to find the magic powder to
make that bullet shoot straight. so I gave up trying.
240 gr. JHP for me.
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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2012, 03:49:18 PM »
The only Lee bullet in 310 gr FP is 44 mag so I assume this is the one. I use 21 gr of H110 and a mag large pistol primer for anything from deer on up. this bullet works great in the 44 mag. However, I prefer the LBT WFN in 275 and 21 gr of H2400 and reg large pistol primers for most everything with a velocity of 1465 average. It has worked on deer and several Asian buffalo with good results but so will the 310 gr. Hope this helps.

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2012, 09:28:26 AM »
The deer we have around here are mostly Pacific Blacktail or a cross with Mulies called a Benchleg. A nice 4point BT buck (that would be 8pt to you folks that don't do it right) would probably avg around 130lbs field dressed. Benchlegs will run a little heavier. So you can see we have to really watch what we shoot with out here as some of these critters get pretty vicious if only wounded and a charge could be fatal.  ::)   I prefer to use a 45colt (I don't have a 46 and the big 50's are just to heavy to carry cocked and at the ready all day) so I load up with at least a 350grainer with as much 296 or 110 as I can get in the case (dropped from three feet though drop tube) and still seat the bullet. Crimp with vise grips in a vise so I don't get no bullet jump on recoil.  ???   Not taken any chances with tyin up the gun with these guys, oh no. I try to keep my shots under 10 ft cause I don't want to have to try and track a wounded BT in the heavy brush without a backup with at least a heavy loaded 45-70 ( because we know they'll kill anything) preferably shooting at least a 500gr solid. If I can keep my head and manage to place my shot just perfectly I stand a more than good chance of surviving the encounter and hopefully make a clean HUMANE kill.......yowza....... ;)

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 05:48:04 AM »
Might be a tad late with this post, but figured why not and went for it anyway, might help someone else down the road.

In playing around with cast over the past 6 or so months, I have gleaned a new appreciation for how well they shoot and work on different game that I hunt. I took down a feral hog in the 100# range at 87 yards with my 454 using my own cast Lee .452-300gr RF GC. I also usd this same booit to finish up a deer I previously shot twice with a .243 and how he managed to still be up and alert still baffles both myself and my bud after cleaning him and seeing the destruction inside from the .243.

This all said, I also purchsed the .429 - 310gr Lee mold in the 6-cavity model. I have poured up several hundred of them and have loaded and shot only a handfull so far. I looked all over for data and then settled on using some which I found at the following link,
http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell44OverWeight.htm

I dropped the load down a full grain from what was listed since I am using a surplus powder, I didn't want to just to top end before working with what I had. Quoting from the article,

"The LBT 320 WLN weighs 311 grains when cast of WW alloy and so the test load was once again 21.0 grains W296. When loaded into .44 Magnum brass and crimped in the crimp groove, the meplat of this bullet comes right up to the front face of the SBH cylinder."

Since my own boolits are running right in this particular weight range with my WW alloy, I still dropped the load to 20grs since I am also using the surplus powder WC-297, which my lot shows to be about 2grs slower than my older lot of W-296, it worked out very well for the loads I have tested so far, in my 7.5" Ruger Redhawk.

I did not have my chrono with me the weekend when I shot these, however after setting my sights at 25yds I then shot a group at 100 which was just under 6" using open sights. I totally feel this could easily be bettered with a little more practice using these boolits, and becoming a bit more accustomed to the sights on this particular revolver. It doesn't help that my glasses are right in between the near lens and far lens which puts the front sight just about out of focus.

I found the recoil with this particular load to be very tolerable even with the quick punch expected from H-110 or 296. I used White Label Carnuba Red lube, and sized them all to .430 for my revolver. I experienced no leading what so ever from these loads, and 25yd accuracy was outstanding even if the hundred yard was a bit wider than it should or could have been.

I do plan on experimenting a bit with 2400, and possibly AA-9 as well, but I simply didn't have time to put them together before heading up to the country for the weekend. I am sure that with either of these powders, the kick or recoil, will be diminished somewhat as will the velocity, but I highly doubt that with the accuracy I have already seen that it will diminish much if any.

I didn't find the recoil to be much more than standard factory top end loads with this caliber, and not anywhere close to bone breaking, or tendon tearing as has been suggested in the above post. In fact they were only slightly more than my bottom end loads for the .454, and the Lee .452 - 300gr RF.

As far as a need, well if it shoots good and does hat you want then that is all the criteria you need. You can easily and cheaply get the 2 cavity mold and try them out with or without the GC's, as has been mentioned. Mine were GC'ed and I don't plan on shooting them otherwise unless I decide to really drop the velocity. Personally however my recoil level might be WAY different than yours or anyone elses for that matter, so that will be a personal choice for you to make. I have read where it is reported to raise pressusers when using GC's but I have not noted this, and with the loads I have shot in several magnum handguns where I do load up to top end, I haven't noted any flattened primers or sticky cases with their loads either.  YMMV

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2012, 01:31:45 PM »
I used 2400 and the Lee 310 grain in my 6.5 Smith and wesson classic 44 mag.  it gave excellent results as far as accuracy, and it didn't lead with liquid alox.  I never thought it had excessive recoil in my 4" gun.  I didn't have any trouble getting double taps on a Tueller drill target I have.  With that said, it shot straight through two smallish white tail does in a row, length wise.  Smashed bones, etc. no problem.  If you can find a lighter bullet that will shoot as well, and not lead, give good accuracy, etc.,I would go that route.  I never found one, except the Lee 240 grain swc, and it wasn't nearly as wide on the nose.  It really needed gas checks to shoot without leading.
TO sum it up, that bullet, and 2400 were about heaven at 1100 -1150 fps.  THey even worked very well in a 4" tube.  If they will work for you, use them.    I eventually switched to Lyman Devastators.  Again, just about cast bullet heaven, in both pistols.  Much, much worse wounding on lighter animals. 

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Re: Lee 310 gr. flat nose Deer Loads?
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2012, 05:06:51 PM »
mrussel, your chart is pretty mild by todays standards. I think I was at 17 grains of 2400(Aliant) when I ended my experimenting with this bullet in my 5&1/2" Redhawk? If my memory is correct 16 grains of 2400 Aliant in my S&W mountain gun?
I just found my notes was 16 grains in my Ruger, 15 in my S&W MG.
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