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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #240 on: November 23, 2012, 03:01:11 AM »
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« Reply #241 on: November 23, 2012, 08:23:45 AM »
Hunter, look into a thing called a "vaporizer." It heats the weed until the THC vaporizes out without making smoke.
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Vaporizers work on the same principle as a hooka only with electricity instead of burning coals. I'm sure that it won't be long before we see a pill form that looks like the common multi vitamins people take. you would find that slow digestion in prescribed doses has a much different effect than the "stupification" effect common with smoking or vaporizing.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #242 on: November 23, 2012, 08:27:06 AM »
You'de be surprised who is and isn't a pot head. They build the freeways bridges and highways upon which we drive. They...
I remember one in particular, about 30 years ago, who was PPC on P-3C out of NAS Jax. Good guy, good stick.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #243 on: November 26, 2012, 03:25:46 PM »
  Wow!  Nine pages of posts already..seems like anything bearing on locoweed draws a crowd real quick. 
  Some claim it is a "constitutional rights" issue...but recently I posted some very egregious tricks that Obama has pulled..such as the first few hundred "brownshirts" in training..and it barely got a notice...
  http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-obamas-brown-shirts-homeland-youth/23898/
     http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-obamas-brown-shirts-homeland-youth/
 
  Are we really sure it is purely a "constitutional rights" issue?  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #244 on: November 27, 2012, 12:34:51 AM »
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This could go on until our grankids learn to read and type then they can hop on and tell us how it all ended up--while we sit in the home and drool.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #245 on: November 27, 2012, 01:51:00 AM »
  Wow!  Nine pages of posts already..seems like anything bearing on locoweed draws a crowd real quick. 
  Some claim it is a "constitutional rights" issue...but recently I posted some very egregious tricks that Obama has pulled..such as the first few hundred "brownshirts" in training..and it barely got a notice...
  http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-obamas-brown-shirts-homeland-youth/23898/
     http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-obamas-brown-shirts-homeland-youth/
 
  Are we really sure it is purely a "constitutional rights" issue?  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
after we register are guns, this is the group that will come after them. ala katrina aftermath.
but this is less important than being able to get our dope without sneaking around.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #246 on: November 27, 2012, 06:27:04 AM »
Keep in mind those after Katrina who were taking guns were BLACKWATER employees . They were the first on the ground  :o ::)
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #247 on: December 11, 2012, 12:16:54 AM »
A graphic depiction;
   Note especially the "professor" being interviewed at the 2:40 minute mark..does he sound anything like someone we know?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv4x2pRMamE
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #248 on: December 11, 2012, 01:19:56 AM »
Hunter, look into a thing called a "vaporizer." It heats the weed until the THC vaporizes out without making smoke.
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Vaporizers work on the same principle as a hooka only with electricity instead of burning coals. I'm sure that it won't be long before we see a pill form that looks like the common multi vitamins people take. you would find that slow digestion in prescribed doses has a much different effect than the "stupification" effect common with smoking or vaporizing.


It's the same process that's used with the electronic cigarette. Some use capsules others use a liquid.
But these are what is causing nicotine overdoses especially where the liquid is involved.
Improper use of the liquid form is landing people in the morgue. Concentrated and cheap you can
just imagine what happens to a child that drinks this stuff. Heart failure can occur within minutes
before any EMTs can arrive on the scene. You do not OD on pot, you may have a respiratory arrest
causing heart failure. But one thing about marijuana is that it is in a league of its own.             
And it is simplistic in its overall nature on how it effects us or what it's long term effects can be.





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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #249 on: December 11, 2012, 01:44:16 AM »
Here is the difference between His arguement and reality.
Alchohol was constantly a comparitive---well, Big Gulp's also---so let's discuss this.
We do know that drinking in excess, however much that is, is bad for children. I think this is why we have drinking age limits and I am for that. Saying that does not mean that I think it can be controlled 100% and there will always be experimentation.
Folks, kids do what they want to do and find a way to do it. I grew up--I did the beer and booze stuff. I was sent to get beers for the grown-up at BBQ's--well me and all the kids there--we drank a swaller or two before it got to the adult--and--this was several times a night. I was 8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15 after that we would sneak a beer or two and just go to the roadside park out of town and drink a 6 pack between several guys. Now--this was not every day and we had no permission-but- we had no social blow-ups over it either.
The same with Joints---treat it the same and I believe you will get the same results. Some will be alchoholics and pot heads---some will be socially acceptable.
You just can't stop folks from being what they want to be.
Sad-----but if you got a plan that will put a stop to all this, there is money to be made.
Big Gulps is the craziest thing that I ever heard an adult with an active brain cell try and regulate. Some people should never be allowed any access to power---but stop that.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #250 on: December 11, 2012, 02:35:45 AM »
TO  WASTE TIME COMPAREING ONE BAD THING TO ANOTHER
is a distraction from the question  of freedom of choice


maybe the ''BIG GULP BAN''  is a stroke of genious
i  brings us to the arguement of freedom of choice


ever  hear of the ''devils advocate''....a way to proof you point by crating an opposite point of view


half the people on this site  want dopers locked  up or worse
yet sceam freedom of choice when ronold the clown  is making children fat


give me a break and atleast be consistent
the ''BIG GULP BAN''  has proven the drug nazis to be hypocrites
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #251 on: December 11, 2012, 02:47:09 AM »
All recreational drugs should be FREE, not legal. After 72 hours we would no longer have a drug problem. We might have a problem with all the bodies...


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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #252 on: December 11, 2012, 02:54:02 AM »
   It`s not just legalising, The "weed" it`s all the stuff that does against the grain.    The problem is more about folks standing up rather than worring about "offending" someone.
   Not many around today that want to take the bull by the horns.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #253 on: December 11, 2012, 03:28:17 AM »
  Big ulp & marijuana..  One attacks the body..the other the brain (see video @ 2:00)..  Of course Alcohol does the same in in perhaps a slightly different way.. ;D
   
   Some learn by hearing, some by seeing...still others have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.. :D ;D 
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« Reply #254 on: December 11, 2012, 04:15:03 AM »
  Big ulp & marijuana..  One attacks the body..the other the brain (see video @ 2:00)..  Of course Alcohol does the same in in perhaps a slightly different way.. ;D
   
   Some learn by hearing, some by seeing...still others have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.. :D ;D


no arguement there   ....all are bad
fat people over eat in front of children
people smoke cigarettes in front of children


but you either beleive in freedom  OR YOU DON'T
  if government has the right to ban  pot....they can ban ''big gulp''
i am just saying  your inconsistent......and freedom is a secondary arguement
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #255 on: December 11, 2012, 04:37:02 AM »
A graphic depiction;
   Note especially the "professor" being interviewed at the 2:40 minute mark..does he sound anything like someone we know?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv4x2pRMamE
IG, did that wild man happen to be TM or YT, sure acted like them :o
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« Reply #256 on: December 11, 2012, 05:02:27 AM »
Of course legalizing is a grand thing.... look, it's working already.
http://www.opb.org/news/article/two-die-in-shooting-at-marijuana-grow-operation/
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« Reply #257 on: December 11, 2012, 06:04:05 AM »
Of course legalizing is a grand thing.... look, it's working already.
http://www.opb.org/news/article/two-die-in-shooting-at-marijuana-grow-operation/


2 theives get  shot........see  told you it was a good thing....all is working out just fine
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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« Reply #258 on: December 11, 2012, 06:19:55 AM »
govt ban things that are to hard to tax. Booze for example it's easier to tax a few makers of hard sprits that try and keep up with everyone making it. Beer and wine is a concesion. Look at food production these days with regulations putting the small farmer out of business .
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« Reply #259 on: December 16, 2012, 09:01:15 PM »
 
Saw this in the news paper                                                                       



Ah, the great American West, where man can generally breathe free and also inhale — woman, too. Thank you, thank you, voters in Colorado and Washington state, for legalizing marijuana. But will Washington, D.C., leave you alone? Attorney General Eric Holder said this week that the Justice Department will weigh its response to the state referenda.
 
 A new national poll finds 58 percent of Americans in favor of making marijuana legal and only 39 percent against. A raft of other state laws easing the prohibition on pot and growing public contempt for the existing law should be enough to change the policy. And so should a basic sense of decency. We persecute ordinary Americans for using an illegal drug smoked by the last three inhabitants of the White House. President Obama admitted — and George W. Bush all but admitted — to having experimented (don't you love the word "experimented"?) not only with pot, but with cocaine.
 
 Courts rarely inflict heavy prison terms on users of marijuana these days, Tony Ryan, a retired lieutenant from the Denver Police Department, told me, "but it's still a drug arrest, so if you're 18 years and older, it goes on your record."
 
 That means you may not be able to get a job at a steel plant, join the Navy, obtain a student loan or keep your child in a custody battle. But wide knowledge that you smoked pot is apparently not enough to stop you from becoming commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. Ryan is on the board of a group called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition — former police and other law officers calling for the end to the War on Drugs. A Denver cop for 36 years, he's intrigued at what the Obama administration will do next. In Colorado, the feds decided to mostly leave medical marijuana alone. But to flex their muscles, they started picking on medical marijuana dispensaries within 1,000 feet of schools.
 
 "I said, OK, what high school student is going to go to convince a doctor under threat of losing his license that he is ill and needs to have medical marijuana," Ryan commented, "when he can just walk down the halls of the school and get whatever he wants?"
 
 In 2008, candidate Obama said he would not use Justice Department resources to frustrate state laws allowing medical marijuana. But President Obama did just that, even letting attorneys general threaten government employees at state-run medical marijuana facilities.
 
 Ignoring the scientific evidence, the feds deem marijuana a dangerous substance that allegedly acts as a "gateway" to harder drugs. The political reality is that legalizing marijuana is a gateway to ending the ludicrous War on Drugs — a $40 billion-a-year failure off which many Americans find employment. Last year, 80 percent of the federal Drug Enforcement Administration's seizures were of marijuana. If marijuana were legalized, what would those agents, lawyers, judges and prison guards keeping us safe from marijuana do?
 
 Oddly, liberal Democrats seem more afraid of letting go of the ban on marijuana than libertarian Republicans and even some social conservatives. (Evangelist Pat Robertson says it ruins the lives of too many young people.) In the Colorado vote, former Rep. Tom Tancredo, a hard-right Republican, supported the constitutional amendment regulating marijuana like alcohol, and Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper opposed it. To his credit, Hickenlooper subsequently declared the amendment official and put a legalization advocate on the committee setting up a regulatory process.
 
 The successful ballot measures in Colorado and Washington give the Obama administration another opportunity to find its bearings and stop throwing billions down the hole of marijuana prohibition. That money could be put elsewhere, so we're told.

 Source: shreveporttimes.com
 Author: Froma Harrop
 
   

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #260 on: December 29, 2012, 05:30:05 AM »
Dopers could end that $40 billion waste of funds as early as tomorrow.. if they would just "man up" and swear off their childish habits.. ;) ;D
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« Reply #261 on: December 29, 2012, 06:14:40 AM »
Look at it like this, states are starting to do exactly what they want and Obama isn't stopping them
with Federal intervention. Obama is restructuring the entire government, just like Gorbachev was
doing within the USSR right before she pulled back. He was reelected by those places he wants the most just like Putin was. He could care less about the rest of us, we will end up being on our own
very soon. Obama is getting a government in place that he knows isn't popular with 50% of the country. So what , he is cutting our overall military expense and killed off NASA.

His new country can not afford them , just like Russia he can ill afford a prolonged civil war. It's becomeing apparent as to what is coming if you have seen it before. But like the USSR did, he is
trying to pick and choose who his new neighbors will be and what thier political affiliation will be.
To understand this just look at where promonte politicians in the opposing party are relocating.
Bush, behind fortified walls in a secure part of a Dallas suburb. Pelosi and others, selling off their
property in California and moveing everything they have to the East. Congress is now useless,Obama
does exactly what he wants just like Putin did going around any legislative body to achieve the intended goals. There has always been two ideals of what a global NWO should be,and they have
always been at odds with each other. But it will never happen until the battle lines are clearly drawn 
to decide who it is that will come out on top.





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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #262 on: December 29, 2012, 09:56:41 AM »
Dopers could end that $40 billion waste of funds as early as tomorrow.. if they would just "man up" and swear off their childish habits.. ;) ;D
I'll guess that a childish habit is anything you personally disapprove of, or that the state tells you that you may not do?


Foolish.


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/the-human-casualties-of-the-war-on-drugs/266622/
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #263 on: December 29, 2012, 02:32:09 PM »
Dopers could end that $40 billion waste of funds as early as tomorrow.. if they would just "man up" and swear off their childish habits.. ;) ;D
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I believe that you are correct in this statement but only in so far as one could realistically rely on the strong sensibility of human nature. Good luck with that one. Man kind grow up? Nope. I just don't see that happening.  ;)


Where in my perfect world one could re arrange your statement to say "POLITICIANS could end the $40 million waste if they would just "man up" and pull themselves out of the pockets of all the special interests that profit from the war on drugs.


The only difference that I see between (ALL) politicians and a common street prostitute is the amount of money made for selling themselves, and that one wears a suit while the other sports stilettos.  ;D


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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #264 on: December 29, 2012, 02:59:50 PM »
So lets say that this futile folly known as the "war on drugs" was officially ended on the criminal and judicial level.


I find it very unlikely that the greedy entities of wealth and power that own the politicians (in both parties) would allow that money to be used upon a declared "war on ignorance". Especially since a good chunk of that saved money would no longer be filling up their foreign bank accounts.


I doubt very much that public schools would ever see a dime of it.


A WAR ON IGNORANCE.... what a concept.


Unfortunately, historically doomed to failure I'm afraid. Ignorance seems such an easier path for most. And truth can often be psychologically painful. I believe that so many subconsciously choose this path as a psychological defense mechanism.


So much easier to take oneself out of the equation directly and put it all on the government or on some collective ideal, or deity. It then, in a psychological sense removes direct responsibility for our own fates, paths, decisions, and actions.


One can just say "WE as Americans" , or "OUR government" or "God" are or is responsible for this or that etc. etc. rather than just staying within our own span of control. It is so much easier for cops, soldiers, and even private citizens to condone and commit atrocities when it is done with the "blessing" of policy, or idealism or whatever; rather than thinking for oneself and being accountable for ones own actions instead of passing the buck to "policy" or "God said"


When it all comes down to the base element, it is still just "group stupidity". WEAK!


I think "we" also do this because it is psychologically EMPOWERING and I would hope that we all know how dangerously addictive is the "drug" of POWER.

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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #265 on: December 29, 2012, 04:45:00 PM »
Dopers could end that $40 billion waste of funds as early as tomorrow.. if they would just "man up" and swear off their childish habits.. ;) ;D
I'll guess that a childish habit is anything you personally disapprove of, or that the state tells you that you may not do?


Foolish.


http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/12/the-human-casualties-of-the-war-on-drugs/266622/
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  Thanks YT;
   You prove my point...all that cost, pain and suffering could be done away with, if the dopers would simply grow up and eschew their childish, addictive habits..
 
  As it stands now, they are financing the murderous cartels who kill & dismember thousands of people annually, many being  little children...
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« Reply #266 on: December 30, 2012, 01:21:46 AM »
I think your point, Ironglow, is that you kowtow to the wishes of the state, rather than free Americans making their own decisions. But I'll hand it to you - you do the disimissive contempt thing well.


You're a soft, squishy sheeple. You like kowtow, Joe?
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« Reply #267 on: December 30, 2012, 08:04:04 AM »
This thread's lasted awhile.  Why don't you two see if you can muster enough adulthood to keep it that way?

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« Reply #268 on: December 30, 2012, 09:11:54 AM »
I don't know any adult habits that are not personal choices.
If you don't want to--don't. If you do, then there are reasonable things that can be done to keep cartels at bay. Lord we have done that with whiskey, cigs and whores.
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Re: Thoughts on legalizing marijuana
« Reply #269 on: December 30, 2012, 10:02:57 AM »
A graphic depiction;
   Note especially the "professor" being interviewed at the 2:40 minute mark..does he sound anything like someone we know?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv4x2pRMamE

LOL! That video is a little salnted.....Don't ya think!You could take a camera out and interview business people in three piece suits, that are very successful and smoke MJ on a daily basis. Or talk to other Doctors who would say the opposite of the one you chose to show on youtube.I don't do the crap or booze, but as someone who drank way too many years and did try MJ on occasion, I know first hand that Getting drunk is more hazzardous to yourself and others, than getting high!Facts don't lie.Do a research on  traffic deaths, or deaths in general attributed to Booze vs MJ and see what the (facts) have to say about it.
Lets look at another interview about pot smokers from the profesional side. You know! The ones who don't go........You know man, wow, like, whats happening man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YIkpIS2Ng8
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