Thoughts on legalizing marijuana

[yellowtail3]

Well if you listen to the dopers here, I'm the only person on Gods green earth that became intoxicated by smoking MJ.

That's a bizarre declaration - I missed where someone made that claim.


Hey - is doper to cannabis, the same as drinker to alcohol? Or drunk?


You mention you were an experienced drinker... does that mean you were a drunk?

[BUGEYE]

Well if you listen to the dopers here, I'm the only person on Gods green earth that became intoxicated by smoking MJ.

That's a bizarre declaration - I missed where someone made that claim.


Hey - is doper to cannabis, the same as drinker to alcohol? Or drunk?


You mention you were an experienced drinker... does that mean you were a drunk?

LOL.  many is the times that the dopers here said MJ is harmless. that's hogwash.  they use it to get high, and a person who is high, is a danger behind the wheel, just like a drinker is a danger.
I was at one time a very heavy drinker, feel free to call me a drunk. I deserve it.
but I met the lady who is now my wife and she led me to Jesus.  before my salvation, I was blase' about drugs, alcohol and abortion. 
I have to take pain medications, but I NEVER drive unless I have 12 hours without it.   
I've mailed a few hunting things to some members here, and they can verify that I apologized ahead of time that it might be a few days before I get to the post office. I DO NOT DRIVE AFTER USING MIND ALTERING DRUGS LIKE DOPERS AND DRUNKS.

[finisher]

In all honesty, as bad as I've hurt with the bulged discs pressing on the sciatic nerve, if I'd had a legal mj pill I'd of tried it. I would see no difference in a mj pill and narcotic meds. However, I would NOT smoke it, I do not intend to get hooked on smoking ever again. POWDERMAN. 

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Powder man, I agree 100% on the smoking thing. I quite smoking cigarettes years ago. Every now and again I'll indulge in a good cigar nut I usually end up wishing I hadn't.


You don't even need to take it in a pill form. In fact, most natural medicines are best consumed in a natural raw state. In the case of MJ, you would simply cure it dry like normal, grind it up, then sprinkle it on your food or wash it down with some hot tea.


If takes more time to kick in when it is consumed, but you can help speed up this process by gulping down some fresh hot salsa which is also supposed to be quite healthy for you.


One down side though is that MJ can dry you out and this certainly will not help your back pain. Remember to stay hydrated.

[Anna]

Well if you listen to the dopers here, I'm the only person on Gods green earth that became intoxicated by smoking MJ.

That's a bizarre declaration - I missed where someone made that claim.


Hey - is doper to cannabis, the same as drinker to alcohol? Or drunk?


You mention you were an experienced drinker... does that mean you were a drunk?

No YT3 that is called a connoisseur of fine beverages ! Lol

[BUGEYE]

If takes more time to kick in when it is consumed.

Could you kinda explain "kick in"?  I'm curious.  do you become catatonic, a jolly good fellow, a grouch, a fighter?  kick in, is something I thought went along with narcotics.

[yellowtail3]

you'll become a more mellow, understanding fellow, less judgmental/contemptuous  of your fellow man, and more contemplative, generally. And you'll almost certainly feel better. You won't have a hangover.


Whether or not you'll be a doper, depends upon your own definition

[Victor3]

you'll become a more mellow, understanding fellow, less judgement of your fellow man, and more contemplative, generally. And you'll almost certainly feel better. You won't have a hangover.

 That brings up another question - How many folks might replace their alcohol habit with pot use? If someone's having a daily beer or two after work to unwind, would a joint be better or worse (all things considered)?


 I'm sure some folks use both at the same time. Is that common? What happens when you mix the two? 

[Anna]

Oh but sure legalize it you may as well. As described here the population will be to stoned to care
about what's happening to thier country right before thier eyes.
In the future they may end up charging you for drug evasion ! The real zombie like apocalypse
coming soon to a town near you. Once more science fiction either mimics or predicts what the future
may bring.

[SHOOTALL]

Watched a couple programs on drugs over the last few weeks. Seems pot is the biggest expense as for fighting drugs in America I think it was 80% . Just think if the money spent was replaced with tax income on pot and used to combat the hard drug abuse .

[Gary G]

37,000 people died last year from prescription drugs.
Zero from marijuana.
Hum!

[dakotashooter2]

I laugh every time someone mentions that legalizing it will be a a tax gain for the government. If the government gets its hands in it it will cost more than it does on the street and if that happens there will be lots of  "bootleg" pot taking all those tax dollars away. Not to mention you can add probably another 25% to the impared driver problem.................

[SHOOTALL]

That may be true but we all know that the govt. wiull go after those avoiding taxes faster than any other reason 

[yellowtail3]

That brings up another question - How many folks might replace their alcohol habit with pot use? If someone's having a daily beer or two after work to unwind, would a joint be better or worse (all things considered)?

 I'm sure some folks use both at the same time. Is that common? What happens when you mix the two?

Nap time...

[JPShelton]

The biggest problem with legalizing GUNS is the message it sends to our youth.  It says they're no worse than a beer or cigarette.  They are already too wide spread as it is.  Lots of kids shoot them already, lets not make it easier for them to get.  If a adult regisiters it and they are not driving around with it and can handle it, I have no problem with guns.  I know some other european countries have made them legal and don't have the problems as the U.S. but we are not them, as much as I hate to admit it, we are a country with little self-control.  Our children are way overweight and they still cry for McDonalds.  America is not what it once was and the people as a whole have changed.  Many times a full blown killer starts small with plinking and .22s' and it keeps stepping up to high capacity handguns then sniper rifles, assault rifles, etc.. Lets not promote GUN use, lets send out the right message and discourage it.

There.  I fixed for all of you who look to government to solve problems.
Wanna tell me how GUN CONTROL is going to be any more effective than prohibition of marijuana?

[Bob Riebe]

Seeing how the War on Drugs has worked just as well, and had the same result as Prohibition, legalize them all.
It will not be any worse than it is now.

[ironglow]

37,000 people died last year from prescription drugs.
Zero from marijuana.
Hum!

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    Yeah...Hmmmm;
 
  http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v13/n043/a11.html
       
 http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/northfield_linwood_somers-point/three-of-those-killed-in-mainland-crash-tested-positive-for/article_9c5c12f0-f238-11e1-b2a3-001a4bcf887a.html
 
 http://www.nj.com/atlantic/index.ssf/2012/08/3_south_jersey_players_killed_in_parkway_crash_had_chemicals_found_in_marijuana_in_system_toxicology.htm
 
 
http://seriousaccidents.com/blog/drunk-driving-dui/medical-marijuana-driver-allegedly-caused-13-car-accidents/
 
  http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/pot_driving.htm
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Taconic_State_Parkway_crash
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Maryland_train_collision
 
  http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/11/02/marijuana-causes-many-deaths-reported-as-accidents.htm
 

[45-70.gov]

do  any  of you have a friend  murdered by a undercover narcotics agent
just to prove he was  not a narcotics  agent??


i have such a friend......of couse this is not the official  story
i saw  his body on the news......the story  on the news  is not the story the cop gave
or what the final/official story was


cops ever raid the wrong address??
i have a freind  whose cousin was KILLED BY POLICE  this way

[ironglow]

do  any  of you have a friend  murdered by a undercover narcotics agent
just to prove he was  not a narcotics  agent??


i have such a friend......of couse this is not the official  story
i saw  his body on the news......the story  on the news  is not the story the cop gave
or what the final/official story was


cops ever raid the wrong address??
i have a freind  whose cousin was KILLED BY POLICE  this way

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  The police were obviously wrong, but the ultimate blame should be placed upon the buyer/user who chooses to flaunt the law and support the criminal gangs and their handiworks.

[45-70.gov]

THE LAW 


used to burn witches  and punish run away slaves


and placed a TAX ON TEA


you believe in freedom  or you don't


the  law  is over reaching

[ironglow]

THE LAW 


used to burn witches  and punish run away slaves


and placed a TAX ON TEA


you believe in freedom  or you don't


the  law  is over reaching

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  ...And they still arrest people for robbing, arson, drive by shootings and other tortures, murders and neglected children?   Did you ever consider that there may be a need for some laws..  All these crimes have been committed in the name of this "harmless drug" and some people's imagined need of it!  Are we to live in complete chaos without laws?
 
   Anyway; back to the statement by Gary..that there are "zero deaths" from Marijuana. ..
 
 
  http://www.redhousebooks.com/galleries/assassin.htm

 
 
  http://chimpmania.com/forum/showthread.php?1187-CB-killed-over-marijuana-plants
 
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235084/Parents-teen-killed-friends-110mph-crash-smoking-marijuana-face-prosecution-letting-drive-licence.html
 
  http://thetandd.com/news/local/man-shot-in-dispute-over-marijuana/article_958dc810-f937-11e0-ac03-001cc4c03286.html
 
 http://screen.yahoo.com/3-killed-over-marijuana-deal-202600225.html
 
 http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Family-Mansfield-Teen-Killed-Over-Bag-of-Marijuana-147399815.html
 
   ..And yes; some folks penchant for the drug has created a threat to our gun ownership!
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8277-marijuana-leads-to-murder.html

[yellowtail3]

The police were obviously wrong, but the ultimate blame should be placed upon the buyer/user who chooses to flaunt the law and support the criminal gangs and their handiworks.

You really want to go down that road? That anything the gov't does to citizens who fail to kowtow, is what they've got coming to them? Suppose they outlaw certain firearms, with severe penalties for those who fail to turn 'em in? That this is the will of God, or somesuch, since gov't is ordained here on earth by God??

[Gary G]

THE LAW 


used to burn witches  and punish run away slaves


and placed a TAX ON TEA


you believe in freedom  or you don't


the  law  is over reaching

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  ...And they still arrest people for robbing, arson, drive by shootings and other tortures, murders and neglected children?   Did you ever consider that there may be a need for some laws..  All these crimes have been committed in the name of this "harmless drug" and some people's imagined need of it!  Are we to live in complete chaos without laws?
 
   Anyway; back to the statement by Gary..that there are "zero deaths" from Marijuana. ..
 
 
  http://www.redhousebooks.com/galleries/assassin.htm

 
 
  http://chimpmania.com/forum/showthread.php?1187-CB-killed-over-marijuana-plants
 
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235084/Parents-teen-killed-friends-110mph-crash-smoking-marijuana-face-prosecution-letting-drive-licence.html
 
  http://thetandd.com/news/local/man-shot-in-dispute-over-marijuana/article_958dc810-f937-11e0-ac03-001cc4c03286.html
 
 http://screen.yahoo.com/3-killed-over-marijuana-deal-202600225.html
 
 http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Family-Mansfield-Teen-Killed-Over-Bag-of-Marijuana-147399815.html
 
   ..And yes; some folks penchant for the drug has created a threat to our gun ownership!
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8277-marijuana-leads-to-murder.html

Then laws to protect individuals from aggression are good laws if it can be limited to that. When you accept a law and there is no victim, you are wishing someones freedom away. When the majority wish the same, then you can bet that your freedom will be lost as well. Let those committing violence while under the influence be tried for those crimes. Let those who refrain from acts of aggression be free, if you also desire to be free. Also, let them not be aggressed against by the enforcers of the law for otherwise peaceful activities; this is totalitarianism, the result of bad laws. Laws of prohibition always cause black markets to spring up along with the associated violence inherent to them.


You may say that in a practical sense this freedom will not work. Well look at history and you find that it did much better than what we have today.

[ironglow]

  Yes; being a slave to a stupid weed is soooo noble. .

[yellowtail3]

  Yes; being a slave to a stupid weed is soooo noble. .

there may be some of those - slaves to weed? - and that must be bad, right? Who wants to be a slave? And to be enslaved to something... my my. That's rough. Now here's the question: how can you tell if someone is enslaved? What are the signs? Perhaps you could identify some of the indicators?

Ironglow, do you equate advocating de-criminalization of MJ to being a slave to weed? Does simply using weed - or calling for it's legalization-  make one a slave to it?

[45-70.gov]

IG quote
crimes have been committed in the name of this "harmless drug"


can  you define ''in the name of''??
i never said all laws are wrong


are you going to surrender your guns  if that becomes the law of the land??

[ironglow]

  Yes; being a slave to a stupid weed is soooo noble. .

there may be some of those - slaves to weed? - and that must be bad, right? Who wants to be a slave? And to be enslaved to something... my my. That's rough. Now here's the question: how can you tell if someone is enslaved? What are the signs? Perhaps you could identify some of the indicators?   Easy; I understand this weed to be very expensive, with no known benefits to the healthy mind & body..yet users will pay the big bucks for it..  ..And if you had looked at any of the links I offered, you would see that some commit crimes and risk jail over their habit!  That's being a slave..putting one's hard -earned money or in some cases their children's meal money into the dope..

Ironglow, do you equate advocating de-criminalization of MJ to being a slave to weed? Does simply using weed - or calling for it's legalization-  make one a slave to it? See above...

[ironglow]

IG quote
crimes have been committed in the name of this "harmless drug"


can  you define ''in the name of''??  Certainly can; or I would not have said it!  If you had only glimpsed at the links I offered above..you would see that all kinds of crimes have been committed, surrounding and in conjunction with that one drug.  Look at the links...What is that drug?  MARIJUANA..that's what!!  So, obviously..those crimes were committed in the NAME OF MARIJUANA..
  This same drug was much of loghner's troubles when he shot Gabby Gifford and others..marijuana...contributing it's share to the big gun grab!
    http://www.nolanchart.com/article8277-marijuana-leads-to-murder.html
 
  Important read from that same link;
   As an alcoholic denies he has a problem, so also many deny that marijuana poses any personal or social issues. This is absolutely incorrect. Studies have shown that there is as much as a five fold (that’s 500%) increase in reports of depression among daily users of cannabis. In fact, benign as legalization advocates claim marijuana is it "has long been known to trigger attacks of mental illness, such as bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis and schizophrenia." When confronted with such studies, marijuana users will claim, with the authority of anecdotal evidence, that cannabis only brings out such illness in people. Inevitably, they will then follow this first claim with this second one: "They aren’t ‘like that’; therefore, they aren’t at risk." This is classic substance abuse denial. Indeed, while "over thirty different studies have documented marijuana’s link with symptoms of schizophrenia," they also demonstrate that cannabis "is an independent risk factor (my emphasis) for schizophrenia." A study of fifty thousand Swiss soldiers show that heavy users of marijuana at age 18 had a 600% increased of schizophrenia later in life."
   

i never said all laws are wrong


are you going to surrender your guns  if that becomes the law of the land??
      NO.. Guns won and preserve  our freedom... head warping drugs lead to slavery and degradation which unchecked, will take away our freedom!!  Guns save more lives than thay take.. illegal drugs often take lives, never saving any.. 
       Guns are useful!                    ...Simple huh!

[williamlayton]

FOLKS-----C'MON.
A dpoer is a doper to get high---a heavy drinker is doing it to get high.
What you have to understand is the need to decriminize the act---not to decriminalize the responsibility.
If I were to grow a plant or two and sit on my back poarch and get right with the world---or drink a six pack a day---what's the beef ?
Killing someone else is anothere story and not what we are discussing.
Now, there is no perfect world and things can and do go wrong for even the nicest people----that is life.
Stop life from happening is what some of you want.
Good luck on that one.
Blessings
 

[Empty Quiver]

FOLKS-----C'MON.
A dpoer is a doper to get high---a heavy drinker is doing it to get high.
What you have to understand is the need to decriminize the act---not to decriminalize the responsibility.
If I were to grow a plant or two and sit on my back poarch and get right with the world---or drink a six pack a day---what's the beef ?
Killing someone else is anothere story and not what we are discussing.
Now, there is no perfect world and things can and do go wrong for even the nicest people----that is life.
Stop life from happening is what some of you want.
Good luck on that one.
Blessings

Well put. The physical act of being high should not carry any penalty. Criminal acts while high will no more be excused than they are if you are drunk.


Some arguments could be made about how does one quantify how high is high. Impaired is in fact impaired. I don't exactly agree with the number system involved with alcohol. It is a reasonably accurate representation but far from a perfect picture of ones abilities while intoxicated. Like telling me that I could out play David Gilmore if he were drunk. The numbers make a nice clean mathematical formula, no judgement to call into question, I can understand the simplicity.


As long as we try to abdicate personal responsibility this legalization debate will rage. 

[45-70.gov]

te from: 45-70.gov on Yesterday at 09:16:31 PMIG quote
crimes have been committed in the name of this "harmless drug"


can  you define ''in the name of''??  Certainly can; or I would not have said it!  If you had only glimpsed at the links I offered above..you would see that all kinds of crimes have been committed, surrounding and in conjunction with that one drug.  Look at the links...What is that drug?  MARIJUANA..that's what!!  So, obviously..those crimes were committed in the NAME OF MARIJUANA..
  This same drug was much of loghner's troubles when he shot Gabby Gifford and others..marijuana...contributing it's share to the big gun grab!
    http://www.nolanchart.com/article8277-marijuana-leads-to-murder.html
 






can't the same be said about alcohal??


it is not in the name of the drug,,,,RATHER  the name of the law to restrict freedom